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Topic: Green beans and weight loss (6 msgs / 360 lines)
1) From: Stephen Sadler
A few comments on this: Yes, the study was on a commercial product. The
journal the study is in is publically available. The study was on 16 adults.
The activity/effect is postulated to be due to the chlorogenic acid in green
coffee beans. I assume the research was paid for by the product
manufacturer. The study still has to pass peer review to be published, and a
lot of good work does come from studies funded privately. 
The problems are 1) negative studies can be suppressed (unethical, but
absolutely occurs); and 2) studies are often referenced in biased press
releases or written about by writers incapable of forming or putting forth
critical analysis of the study. You can't tell the good from the bad based
on headlines or most newspaper article, though a good science/medical writer
can give a very informative newspaper review.
In this case, the protocol was sound, but the population (16) was small. The
substance shows strong promise, but the study isn't definitive.
Nutraceuticals aren't subject to the rigors of testing required for
pharmaceuticals. The funders have no motivation to do large studies or
meta-analyses because they are able to sell product based on "x number of
studies" suggesting confirmation of the desired effect. They know buyers
won't read and analyze the studies, unless they're biochemists (like me). 
The effect isn't due to caffeine. The subjects did not have increased heart
rates. The lack of caffeine and the effective ingredient cited tell one
exactly how to make the extract, but not how concentrated it is. The study
referenced how much of the commercial product was given to the subjects, but
without knowing the chlorogenic acid concentration in the product, we don't
know how much of that was delivered; nor are we aware of any buffers or
other pertinent ingredients. 
So I can tell you how to extract chlorogenic acid at any concentration from
coffee beans (but wouldn't - if you knew how to do it safely, you wouldn't
need to be told!), but not how to make the product. 
~ Stephen
The original articlehttp://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/01/20/9244497/Diabetes%20Metabolic%20Syndrome.pdf
The green coffee extract product become a commercial name now, GCA (TM).
That just make me feel its an ad for selling their product.
Probably there is something increasing burning fat.
But I still feel the fresh food and regular exercise is the only way to go.
Colin
On 29 March 2012 01:03, frank  wrote:
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I saw a bunch of headlines regarding this study as well.  I don't think I
have access to the journal the original paper was published in though.  I'm
curious how the "green coffee extract" was produced, and whether this might
be a viable use for the odd bits of leftover greens that I might have laying
around.  Anyone know how this "green coffee extract" gets produced?
Personally, I think it's due to the caffeine content.
--mike
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2) From: Andy Thomas
Thanks, Stephen. That puts the story in perspective. I agree with Colin; if=
 you want to lose weight, eat right and exercise. I know, easier said than =
done, but there it is. It seems foolish to me to rely on extract of [fill i=
n the blank] for something, when the solution is dictated by common sense.
 From: Stephen Sadler 
To: homeroast =
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: [Homeroast] Green beans and weight loss
 =
A few comments on this: Yes, the study was on a commercial product. The
journal the study is in is publically available. The study was on 16 adults.
The activity/effect is postulated to be due to the chlorogenic acid in green
coffee beans. I assume the research was paid for by the product
manufacturer. The study still has to pass peer review to be published, and a
lot of good work does come from studies funded privately. =
The problems are 1) negative studies can be suppressed (unethical, but
absolutely occurs); and 2) studies are often referenced in biased press
releases or written about by writers incapable of forming or putting forth
critical analysis of the study. You can't tell the good from the bad based
on headlines or most newspaper article, though a good science/medical writer
can give a very informative newspaper review.
In this case, the protocol was sound, but the population (16) was small. The
substance shows strong promise, but the study isn't definitive.
Nutraceuticals aren't subject to the rigors of testing required for
pharmaceuticals. The funders have no motivation to do large studies or
meta-analyses because they are able to sell product based on "x number of
studies" suggesting confirmation of the desired effect. They know buyers
won't read and analyze the studies, unless they're biochemists (like me). =
The effect isn't due to caffeine. The subjects did not have increased heart
rates. The lack of caffeine and the effective ingredient cited tell one
exactly how to make the extract, but not how concentrated it is. The study
referenced how much of the commercial product was given to the subjects, but
without knowing the chlorogenic acid concentration in the product, we don't
know how much of that was delivered; nor are we aware of any buffers or
other pertinent ingredients. =
So I can tell you how to extract chlorogenic acid at any concentration from
coffee beans (but wouldn't - if you knew how to do it safely, you wouldn't
need to be told!), but not how to make the product. =
~ Stephen
The original articlehttp://ww1.prweb.com/prfiles/2012/01/20/9244497/Diabetes%20Metabolic%20Syndrome.pdf
The green coffee extract product become a commercial name now, GCA (TM).
That just make me feel its an ad for selling their product.
Probably there is something increasing burning fat.
But I still feel the fresh food and regular exercise is the only way to go.
Colin
On 29 March 2012 01:03, frank  wrote:
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crack!
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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 15:10:34 -0400
From: Mike Koenig 
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I saw a bunch of headlines regarding this study as well.  I don't think I
have access to the journal the original paper was published in though.  I=
'm
curious how the "green coffee extract" was produced, and whether this might
be a viable use for the odd bits of leftover greens that I might have laying
around.  Anyone know how this "green coffee extract" gets produced?
Personally, I think it's due to the caffeine content.
--mike
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3) From: miKe mcKoffee
Want to know a really effective way to lose weight? Go into business for
yourself working long hours often forgetting to eat during the day or at
best eating lightly on the run during most days. I've lost 35lb the past few
years now less than 10 from ideal weight :) AND I still continue to eat
ice-cream almost every night after dinner!
Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
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4) From: phil.palmintere
Another way:  spend 90+ days skiing, only taking time to make good coffee in the morning prior to hitting the slopes (ok, maybe a piece of fruit), and don't stop for lunch.  I've dropped 15 pounds this winter even though the snow is poor.
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5) From: Jim Gundlach
I have lost almost 70 pounds over the last couple of years.  But, I cannot recommend the way I did it.  The medicine I was on for treatment of my brain being infected with encephalitis had the side effect of causing me to regurgitate if I ate more than two or three bites of food at a meal.  When medical treatment was over I found that my stomach had shrunken and I felt full after eating about a third as much at a meal as I used to.  I have simply refused to re-stretch my stomach.  But, I can't recommend brain encephalitis infection as a weight loss tool. the fatality rate for people over age 44 is about 96 percent.  I have a successful weight loss technique.  But, I can't write a book on it.
   pecan jim 
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6) From: Ken Schillinger
Glad to hear that you're stabilized on your weight, and off the medicine. I
have just lost 19 pounds over the last month and a half, with about 120 to
go. I'll do my best to avoid encephalitis, and the medicine!
Best regards, Ken
Who is drinking a cup "Raisin" coffee. Only about 12 pounds of it left in my
stash, so I'm rationing it.


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