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Topic: Outlet lost power... (23 msgs / 979 lines)
1) From: DeCambre.Peter
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2) From: DeCambre.Peter
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3) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hi,
I moved to a condo (built in 1999) a few weeks ago. My new place has a
concrete patio out back with an outlet very near by. I roasted on the
patio two weeks ago and the outlet worked fine. Today I was going to
roast out there again, but there was no electricity to either plug-in
in the outlet by the patio. I checked the breakers and all seemed
well. I tried all three switches (one for the outside light, one for
the inside overhead light, and one for a plug-in on an inside outlet)
I could find inside the patio door, and that didn't help.
I'm no electrical whiz (that's an understatement), but I'm mystified.
It seems like a breaker should be thrown if something shorted the
outlet. Otherwise (again, I'm not whiz) it seems like it should work.
I'd appreciate any ideas anyone might have as to what might be wrong,
and how I could check to see if that's it.
Thanks!
Brian
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4) From: Frank
On Aug 18, 2012, at 4:26 PM, Brian Kamnetz wrote:
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Brian,
DId you just look at the breakers or did you physically flip them back and forth? Even when they're tripped they can look like they're fully closed. 
Try flipping the ones for the patio to open and then fully closed. Then try the circuit again.
Frank Parth
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5) From: Peter Walsh
My patio outlet is a GFI outlet commonly found in bathrooms. But, there is =
only one actual GFI socket (with test and reset buttons) shared by three ou=
tdoor outlets all on the same circuit. If it trips, they all go dark. Look =
to see if another outdoor outlet is a GFI socket and reset it…
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6) From: Jeffrey Kelly
Something to try: If the circuit is protected by ground fault interrupter (GFCI) it might be tripped.  There will be a test and reset button on them, right on the outlet.  Hit reset if you have this.  If there are multiple outlets for the circuit, the reset may only be on one...so you might have to look at other outlets away from the powerless one.  
-JD Kelly
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7) From: Peter Louton
Hi Everybody,
I had a similar experience last night.  I had all of my coffee related items plugged into the timer and then I went to turn on the grinder and it wouldn't turn on.  I thought that was odd, since it worked earlier in the day.  So I did flip all of the breakers back and forth and agree that they often do look like they are still on.  That didn't work.  So then had to go to the plug and took the timer out and had a bad connection at the outlet.  The other thing that could be bad is the GFCI outlet itself.  They can go bad, too.  
Peter
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8) From: Archeobob
Brian,
Jeffrey is correct, newer places (at least in USA) normally 
require the patio and other outdoor outlets be hooked to the 
GFCI circuit. Check the one of the bathroom plugs, they are the 
normal place a GFCI switch is located. The other is a kitchen 
one.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Outlet lost power...
Something to try: If the circuit is protected by ground fault 
interrupter (GFCI) it might be tripped.  There will be a test 
and reset button on them, right on the outlet.  Hit reset if you 
have this.  If there are multiple outlets for the circuit, the 
reset may only be on one...so you might have to look at other 
outlets away from the powerless one.
-JD Kelly
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9) From: denis bordeleau
Hi Brian        You describe the faulty outlet as being very =
near by your concrete patio.    May be this outlet belongs to the com=
mon area and is used by the condominium managers employees for maintenance =
or any other of their needs.  Thus the breaker will not be in your condo.=
  Check if everybody has an outdoor outlet on their balcony on the upper =
floors or ground floor. Take a lamp and walk the dog around the building =
innocently whistling a well known melody and see if there are  other =
outlets surrounding it and make the plug the lamp test.    You can be=
 the sole culprit of this huge blackout.           =
       I wish you good luck.        Be sure you r=
oast with a 15 amperes dedicated 110-120 volt circuit to avoid any trouble.=
   May be they saw you and decided to put the breaker off as they somet=
imes do in winter time in some part of the planet where and when human peop=
le plug their cars.      Have a
 good night.     Denis
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 De : Brian Kamnetz 
À : "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this l=
ist, available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" =
Envoyé le : samedi 18 août 2012 19h26
Objet : [Homeroast] Outlet lost power...
  =
Hi,
I moved to a condo (built in 1999) a few weeks ago. My new place has a
concrete patio out back with an outlet very near by. I roasted on the
patio two weeks ago and the outlet worked fine. Today I was going to
roast out there again, but there was no electricity to either plug-in
in the outlet by the patio. I checked the breakers and all seemed
well. I tried all three switches (one for the outside light, one for
the inside overhead light, and one for a plug-in on an inside outlet)
I could find inside the patio door, and that didn't help.
I'm no electrical whiz (that's an understatement), but I'm mystified.
It seems like a breaker should be thrown if something shorted the
outlet. Otherwise (again, I'm not whiz) it seems like it should work.
I'd appreciate any ideas anyone might have as to what might be wrong,
and how I could check to see if that's it.
Thanks!
Brian
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10) From: denis bordeleau
Hi Brian   In the following 24 hours of  your emergency problem for a=
 no electrical whiz, mystified nerd, you got 7 opinions : a bad tripped b=
reaker, a common area circuit, a wet circuit breaker, etc... from  no les=
s than Frank, Jeffrey Kelly, Peter Louton, Archeobob, Paul Goetz, Peter Wal=
sh and my self  Denis Bordeleau.  I am still expecting the final diagno=
stic.  We all do that for free and to help each other.  The back feed f=
ollow up is our reward..  If this is a Gmail problem, let me know; if i=
t is not it can be why people are reluctant to post in a fast response mood=
.        Please, let us know, the sooner the better..  =
      Thank you.       Denis        =
         P.S. I want to know what happened and what was the=
 problem.  Did you stop roasting or drinking coffee?
 =
  De : Brian Kamnetz 
À : "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this l=
ist, available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" =
Envoyé le : samedi 18 août 2012 19h26
Objet : [Homeroast] Outlet lost power...
  =
Hi,
I moved to a condo (built in 1999) a few weeks ago. My new place has a
concrete patio out back with an outlet very near by. I roasted on the
patio two weeks ago and the outlet worked fine. Today I was going to
roast out there again, but there was no electricity to either plug-in
in the outlet by the patio. I checked the breakers and all
 seemed
well. I tried all three switches (one for the outside light, one for
the inside overhead light, and one for a plug-in on an inside outlet)
I could find inside the patio door, and that didn't help.
I'm no electrical whiz (that's an understatement), but I'm mystified.
It seems like a breaker should be thrown if something shorted the
outlet. Otherwise (again, I'm not whiz) it seems like it should work.
I'd appreciate any ideas anyone might have as to what might be wrong,
and how I could check to see if that's it.
Thanks!
Brian
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13) From: denis bordeleau
Hi Brian    Thank you for giving us news and good luck with this issu=
e.  As soon as you will have figured it out I am sure the solution will a=
ppear sooo simple but for  up to then I hope you found a working outlet=
.    Have a good day.   Thanks again for reporting.    Denis
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À : "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this l=
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Envoyé le : dimanche 26 août 2012 10h35
Objet : Re: [Homeroast] Outlet lost power...
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Denis,
I am still working on it. I will certainly report back when I have it
figured out.
brian
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 no electrical whiz, mystified nerd, you got 7 opinions : a bad tripped bre=
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than Frank, Jeffrey Kelly, Peter Louton, Archeobob, Paul Goetz, Peter Walsh=
 and my self  Denis Bordeleau.  I am still expecting the final diagnost=
ic.  We all do that for free and to help each other.  The back feed fol=
low up is our reward..  If this is a Gmail problem, let me know; if it is=
 not it can be why people are reluctant to post in a fast response mood. =
       Please, let us know, the sooner the better..        Th=
ank you.       Denis                 P.S. I want to k=
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14) From: Michael Mccandless
Another possibility . . .
Outlets are daisychained - wires in one side feed through to connectors on
the other & on to the next outlet.
Any open connection renders everything down the line inoperative.
There are noninvasive ways to follow wires through walls.
MMc
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---Time to call an electrician---
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17) From: Rich
Helpful hint... 120vAC 60 Hz is deadly and is more than capable of 
killing you quite dead.
On 08/26/2012 03:41 PM, Paul Goelz wrote:
<Snip>
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19) From: Brian Kamnetz
Hi all,
I finally have my patio outlet problem figured out.
A recap: I moved into a condo at the end of July. The condo has a
concrete patio in back with an outlet right next to it. The patio is
shaded in the morning and seemed like a good fair-weather place to
roast. Shortly after I moved in I roasted a pound on the patio and
everything went fine.
A couple weeks later I tried to roast again and the outlet was dead.
There are a couple switches on the wall inside the patio door and I
fiddled with them but it didn't help. I strung a 12-ga extension cord
out from an inside outlet and roasted, and came to work and posted my
first question. There were many helpful replies, several mentioning
GFCI outlets. The patio outlet isn't GFCI, but it was mentioned that
several outlets can be strung together with one of them being GFCI and
controlling the whole circuit. I have an electric alarm clock with a
face that lights up when it is plugged in; I went around with that
testing outlets in the house.
Right away in the bathroom, which is right next to the patio outlet,
there was a GFCI circuit that was blown. I reset it and confidently
headed to the patio, but that outlet was still dead. I tried all the
others, finding a couple GFCI outlets that were blown, but resetting
them did not solve the patio outlet problem.
I had checked all the breakers in the breaker box, but advice here was
that sometimes a breaker is thrown even though it appears to be ok. I
went to the breaker box and reset nearly all of them, but that didn't
help either. I was looking at the breaker box again when I noticed a
GFCI outlet nearby. It was blown, but resetting it didn't help.
Well, a few days later, I tested the patio outlet again, and it was
working. I had no idea how that could be, and spent a few days
scratching my head. At least I now was able to find out that an inside
switch controlled the patio outlet, and I now knew which way was "on".
But I didn't know why the outlet worked sometimes and not other times.
I've been busy and didn't get back to the problem until this morning.
Of course, this time, instead of trying to find something that made
the patio outlet work, I was looking for something that turned off
power to the outlet. This morning, instead of walking out to the patio
with my alarm clock after each change, I ran an extension cord from
the patio outlet to inside the condo and plugged in an old boom box
radio, so that I could tell immediately if the power was off. That was
a BIG time saver. I went around the condo resetting the GFCI outlets,
each time listening for the radio to stop, but it didn't, until I went
out into the garage and tried the one next to the breaker box. Went
back into the condo: No radio. Reset the GFCI, went back into the
condo, and the radio was playing. So the riddle was solved.
To summarize, the complicating factor of having a switch inside
controlling the outside outlet, and also having the outlet controlled
by a different GFCI outlet, made it difficult for me to diagnose the
problem. But thanks to the advice from you all on the list, I was able
to finally figure it out.
Thanks again!
Brian
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20) From: peter zulkowski
Brian, You just reminded me that in my house in AZ one of the outside
outlets was controlled by the GFI in a far away bathroom!
But be aware, in this apartment here in MA, not only did I trip the GFI
which is out on the back porch, which I use to roast, but I burned it out
and it would not reset :(   (15 Amps only)
Ymmv.
There are 20 amp GFI breakers available for your fuse box, and I got one
for AZ but never got to use it there.
The land lord suggested that I roast from a non GFI circuit, and for
practical reasons I agree. Somehow they do not like 12 ga. extension cords
plugged into them if you use roasters on them.
In my case the non GFI 20 Amp circuit is right inside the door, and if I
ever find my 20 amp GFI in my PILE left over from moving I will probably
install it here in the 20 amp line inside the door. Would be bad to put it
on a 15 amp line for sure. Wire melting inside walls is very bad for the
building.
Thanks for posting your results.
Happy roasting :)
PeterZ ( Not in LHC anymore) Happy and cool  now in Rockport, MA
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21) From: peter zulkowski
This email only took 3 minutes to get from MA to the list. Pretty quick huh?
PeterZ
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this one---- 0 minutes!
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23) From: Jeffrey Kelly
Brian,  Great to hear you found the issue via your detective work.  I'm sure this is a great lesson for many readers.
-JD Kelly
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