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Topic: Distilled H2O vs RO (31 msgs / 743 lines)
1) From: Raybob Bowman
Thanks Steve, for the info, but how affordable is a RO system for home 
use?  You can find a used water still for around $200 on eBay that makes 
a gallon of distilled water in about 3 hours.  Last I checked, I 
couldn't even dream of affording any type of RO system for home use.
Raybob
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2) From: Scott Bonder
I have a RO system in my kitchen.  Cost was around $200 plus installation.  Need to change filters that are part of the system every six months.  It has a tank that stores 4 gallons so that you always have plenty of water despite the slow RO process.
Scott L. Bonder
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1170 Howell Mill Rd., NW
Atlanta, Georgia 30318
Direct    404-995-8833
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3) From: John Nanci
A very fast Google search pulled up basic RO systems ranging from 
$149 to $499.  Seems most make 10-15 gallons a day.  I had a heavy 
duty one about 10 years ago.  It was about $800.  The water was high 
enough in salt that distillation was not recommended due to the heavy 
wear on it (2000 ppm NaCl).
Raybob, how does your distiller work?  Do you have to set up a cool 
water condenser?  Does it turn off automatically?  How do you decide 
when to start collecting the water?
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4) From: Seth Grandeau
Under sink ROs are very reasonably priced and can produce enough drinking
water for a family.  I used to help my dad, when he sold in-house
filtration systems (ROs, water softeners, UV systems, etc).  I want to say
the model we had was in the $400 to $500 range.
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5) From: Mike Koenig
My RO was $149 from Home Depot.
--mike
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6) From: peter zulkowski
A quick search brought this one. It fits under your sink and works great!http://www.amazon.com/iSpring-5-Stage-Reverse-Osmosis-Filter/dp/B003XELTTG/ref=sr_1_1?ieF8&qid71739196&sr=8-1&keywords=ro+systemHad one in Arizona.
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7) From: peter zulkowski
Lots of choices here:) and Prime ships free if you are a member.http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ro+systemPeterZ
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8) From: Raybob Bowman
On 6/20/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request wrote:
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Mine will hook up to water line or can be filled from top. If filled =
from top, it will do one gallon. Hooked to water line, timer can be set =
for up to 4 gallons until shut-off. The boiling tank has vapor line from =
top of tank to cooling coil under a fan. Has stainless steel tank under =
unit that holds 4 gallons, with tap to fill bottles from.
As for reverse osmosis, I looked up the wiki article and found why I =
have trouble sleeping when that type of water.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosis_water_purification_unitsays:
"The clarified water is then fed through a high-pressure piston pump =
into a series of vessels where it is subject to reverse osmosis. The =
product water is free of 90.0099.98% of the raw water's total dissolved =
solids and by military standards, should have no more than 10001500 =
parts per million by measure of electrical conductivity. It is then =
disinfected with chlorine and stored for later use."
First, chlorine is a killer. Second, leaving 10.0~0.02 percent of solid =
waste is too much for my stomach, not to mention my health. There is =
0.00 percent of anything left in water that has been purified by =
distillation. Same process God uses to make the morning dew.
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9) From: John Nanci
Chlorine would only be there if YOU added =
it.  It's not part of every system.  You =
reference a military unit, not a home unit.   No comment about the solids.
So, do you collect everything from your =
distiller?  All the organics that come off first =
(like benzene that you are trying to get rid of) =
before it's up to a boil or do you not start the =
cooling coil until the organics have been released into the air?
John
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10) From: Greg Gearheart
Raybob, you seem like a nice guy.  And your feelings about water are very
sincere.  But there is something I feel you really need to know.  Without
electrolytes, nothing on this planet will grow.  Brawndo has electrolytes.
 Your distilled water does not.
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11) From: Seth Grandeau
Chlorine is not a part of the Reverse Osmosis process and under sink units
do not chlorinate (at least I've never seen one that does).  That article
describes an industrial strength, military water purification unit (*ROWPU)=
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not the Reverse Osmosis Process.  Try this article for more useful
information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_osmosisAt the end of the day, if you like distilled water better, then that's what
you should have.  Your body will pick up plenty of dissolved solids from
other sources (i.e., food), be they healthy or not.
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12) From: Raybob Bowman
On 6/21/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request wrote:
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Not sure how it works but as it heats up, there's a vent to let out 
gasses prior to the pressure from boiling water to let off gasses from 
things that boil below 212F.  When pressure happens, vent closes and 
steam goes through coil over fan.  I would think anything boiling below 
212 would be forced out as vapor in less than the first minute of the 3 
hours steam is condensed.  I don't think the coil cools low enough to 
turn other vapors back to liquid.
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13) From: Raybob Bowman
On 6/21/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request wrote:
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I do get all the electrolytes, minerals, etc., that my body needs from 
my organic foods.  Don't know about electrolytes, but exess minerals 
(rocks) can accumulate into stones like gaul stones, kidney stones, 
clogged arteries etc.
IMO,
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15) From: John Nanci
Yes.  Not to mention the contribution of minerals =
from water in the absolute sense is so small =
compared to what you ingest as to be =
insignificant.  But we'll just keep that secret between us....
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16) From: Raybob Bowman
On 6/25/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request wrote:
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Pure h2o makes coffee taste so good because nothing is bonded to the 
atoms, so it pulls ALL the flavor possible from the bean.  Your body is 
mostly water.  If the water coming in your body (through skin and mouth) 
is pure, everything flushes the way it should.  If anything is already 
bonded to the h2o, it won't flush as good as it was intended by the one 
who created it in the first place.
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17) From: Michael Baladi
? Isn't distilled water a man made creation? I don't recall seeing a bunch of it out in the wild.
From: Homeroast [homeroast-bounces] On Behalf Of Raybob Bowman > Gaul stones? French rocks, (les pierres fran?ais), non?
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Pure h2o makes coffee taste so good because nothing is bonded to the
atoms, so it pulls ALL the flavor possible from the bean.  Your body is
mostly water.  If the water coming in your body (through skin and mouth)
is pure, everything flushes the way it should.  If anything is already
bonded to the h2o, it won't flush as good as it was intended by the one
who created it in the first place.
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18) From: Greg Gearheart
Your body is mostly made of water, yet your body has absolutely no pure
water in it anywhere... what a crazy conundrum.  Maybe distill yourself
before you dink you're distilled water coffee for the ultimate in purity.
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19) From: John Nanci
Good and BAD flavors too.  Too each his own.  And sadly, your beliefs 
do not match the experimental data AT ALL.  There is this nifty thing 
called co-extraction.  Basically, minerals in water, carrying a 
heavier charge than water, can and do actually extract more flavor 
components from your coffee.  It's generally why (and resoundingly 
so) people find coffee brewed with water with mineral content find it 
has 'more body'.  It's not the minerals you are tasting per se, but 
the extra compounds in coffee that it is pulling out.
But as it's been said before, too each his own, and enjoy.
John
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20) From: Dave Huddle
Alchemist John,
I appreciate the informed comments of a fellow chemist!
Dave
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21) From: Raybob Bowman
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? Isn't distilled water a man made creation? I don't recall seeing a bunch of it out in the wild.
Ever see a morning dew?  Don't think any man created that.
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22) From: Jon Rosen
You don't? Some call it rain.
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23) From: Raybob Bowman
On 6/27/2013 10:00 AM, homeroast-request wrote:
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Sure matches ALL my experimental data.  Coffee with pure H2O is the only 
kind I can drink cup of, then go to sleep within minutes every night, 
for many many years now.  Any other water, including that brand of 
distilled that says "made by steam distillation and ozonation", then it 
can take hours to sleep, for me.
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Guess I need to google "co-extraction".
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24) From: Dennis True
and the learning and debate goes on.. I am learning so much thanks guys!
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25) From: Michael Baladi
Wasn't rain water already summarily dismissed in this conversation as having too much benzene?
:-)
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You don't? Some call it rain.
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26) From: Michael Baladi
The point of my comment is that humans weren't created with water collection systems. We didn't "evolve" on pure rain water and morning dew. Minerals are not evil, and many would call them necessary.
Saying that god intended it that way..... that's really no different than me saying 1+1=3, because whatever belief I have "intended it" that way. Religon makes an exceptionally poor basis for proving an argument.
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? Isn't distilled water a man made creation? I don't recall seeing a bunch of it out in the wild.
Ever see a morning dew?  Don't think any man created that.
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27) From: Archeobob
1+1=3
and 2+2=5
for high values of 2
have a happy 4th to those of us in/from the USA, or a happy 
Thursday for the rest
Bob, Denver
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The point of my comment is that humans weren't created with 
water collection systems. We didn't "evolve" on pure rain water 
and morning dew. Minerals are not evil, and many would call them 
necessary.
Saying that god intended it that way..... that's really no 
different than me saying 1+1=3, because whatever belief I have 
"intended it" that way. Religon makes an exceptionally poor 
basis for proving an argument.
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? Isn't distilled water a man made creation? I don't recall 
seeing a bunch of it out in the wild.
Ever see a morning dew?  Don't think any man created that.
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28) From: Larry Dorman
As long as some are rejecting science, where are the astrologers to weigh
in on the best times to brew coffee?
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29) From: Jon Morgan
The best time to brew coffee is 4:55am Est. I have proven this 5 times a
week for the last 15 years.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry Dorman  wrote:
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30) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Claus_Th=F8gersen?=
Did you check it in the grounds?
If there is a god I want to talk to it is the coffee god!
Claus
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The best time to brew coffee is 4:55am Est. I have proven this 5 times a
week for the last 15 years.
On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Larry Dorman  wrote:
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31) From: Martin Maney
On Thu, Jul 04, 2013 at 12:59:23PM -0400, Jon Morgan wrote:
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When the beans are in Aquarius, And all the chaff aligns with Mars ...
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