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1) From: DeCambre.Peter
I will be out of the office starting  11/26/2002 and will not return
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2) From: Seth Grandeau
My dear wife has asthma, so I only roast when she's out of the house and I
never roast when her breathing is bothering her.  So, when I'm caught,
without homeroast, I break down and buy some commercial.  I was curious
what coffees others on the list actually buy, when they don't have
homeroast on hand.
I've been visiting my local Whole Foods, where they roast coffee and I've
been trying some of their Africans.  They're OK, but not exceptional.  I
have had better luck with a local roaster in the Boston area, Barisimo.
 I've had some very good coffees from them, but at a higher price point.
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3) From: John Nanci
In a word, I don't.  It's why I started homeroasting, and continue, 
as I've yet to find any local that fit my tastes.  I'd drink 
tea.  Seriously.  Or, buy roasted from Tom.
John
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4) From: Barry Luterman
In a pinch Stumptown or Compass Coffee
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5) From: Sheila Quinn
Dunn Bros down the street...she roasts it fresh in the store. I'd much 
rather have my own SM beans, but if I don't have time to roast, it's the 
best I can get here. Have had a couple of mediocre ones, but I've also 
had some outstanding beans too.
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6) From: Demian Ebert
When I get stuck for time I buy from Spella or Trailhead here in Portland.
Mostly Spella. That doesn't help you in Boston though. I'd look for the
little roasters locally or order roasted from Tom if that didn't work.
Nothing available commercially will he as good as your homeroasted.
Demian
Portland OR
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7) From: Greg Hollrigel
Counter Culture from North Carolina is good.  I've also bought from Cafe
Grumpy in Manhattan, and they're good.  If you want a list of roasters from
the country, I think there are a number of options on the West Coast, and
from my experience with mail order, the roasted beans arrive within 2-4
days post roast, so they're fresh.  I like Verve, Stumptown, Chromatic, and
Compass Coffee http://www.compasscoffeeroasting.com).Greg
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8) From: miKe mcKoffee

9) From: Michael Baladi
I do agree that home roasters aren't up to par with the profiling that commercial roasters are capable of..... what I'd argue is more generally true however is that the quality of bean available to the home roaster is much higher in general.
I can hop on SM and order top tier coffee to roast all year around. Most (not all, just most) local roasters around me, whether due to inability to source, inability to pay the premium, or whatever, start with a much lesser bean. There are too many pressures on local roasters. Price point, general trends of the non-coffee drinking snobs towards scorched beans (at least it seems like), etc......
I KNOW there are some really great roasters out there, especially in some of the cities. Where I live though it just doesn't exist. I can get what I'd call good locally roasted coffee, but I'd rarely if ever call it great, and I'd rarely call it better than my home roast.
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10) From: Sandy Andina
My schedule (first travel, now convalescence from my second total knee replacement surgery--completing the matched pair) has increasingly made home-roasting a rarity for me.  I am lucky to live four blocks from Metropolis Coffee & Tea, and to be able to have Intelligentsia Black Cat delivered by Peapod on a day's notice.  I am drinking mostly espresso and low-carb cappuccino lately (almond & coconut milks with a Tbs. of heavy cream), so it's either Black Cat or Red Line (reg. & decaf).  For the odd single cup of brewed coffee, I confess to having a Keurig machine (Kenya AA and 8 O'Clock are my choices there). If I know I'll need to brew in quantity but have no time to roast and let it rest 1-2 days, I get Schweik's Ottoman Adventure or Spice Isl. Blend from Metropolis. Friends brought back some "Rise Again" blend--mostly Indonesians--from Nova Scotia last year; it was pretty darn good. The name comes from the roasters being fans of the late great Nova Scotian singer-songwriter Stan Rogers, and is the refrain of his most famous song "The Mary Ellen Carter."  Stan, just 36, perished in the fire caused by the crash landing of his flight in Cincinnati 30 years ago this summer.
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11) From: Seth Grandeau
miKe,
I think you (a top commercial roaster) need to qualify what is a top
commercial roaster.  I'm sure you didn't mean "top" as in volume. :)
A small, commercial roaster, like yourself, with access to great coffee
greens, great equipment, and years of experience, will kick my butt.
My local WFs has better equipment than I do, but I think their greens may
be inferior (or at least they tend toward blends) and their roasters'
technique is cr  They Ron Popiel it (set it and forget it).  Nothing
upsets me more than reading a great fruiting sounding coffee description,
labelled as a light roast, and when I open the bin, something black and
shiny is sitting there pretending to be coffee.  Sometimes they get it
right, sometimes they don't.
My local shop has better equipment and more experience than I do, but I
think we're pretty close in resulting quality.  Maybe I buy better beans. :)
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12) From: Seth Grandeau
Whole Foods by me is usually $10 to $15 a pound.  Given what's lost in
roasting, and shipping costs, I don't think that's too far off from what I
pay to buy from Sweet Marias and roast my own.
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13) From: gin powell
when I get stuck I must wait for an order to arrive. there are NO roaster
here in the boonies.
I will go to Circle K and grab a cup if it is a fresh pot...
ginny
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14) From: sci
I'm fortunate to have Counter Culture Coffee HQ in my backyard. I even go
there for cuppings and other training seminars sometime. Outstanding coffee
and it dominates the shops, who sometimes execute great methods. But 98% of
what I drink is SM! roasted in a QM3. CCC ups the ante in this area with
other roasters who try to compete. Lots of good stuff in the RDU area.
On The List:
I've been on this list for 6-7 years. Yes it has declined in traffic, but I
have learned a TON of things from the big-bore roasters like miKe and Ed. I
read it EVERYDAY. And yes, some days are great, and some are lousy. I
probably contribute more to the latter category. Forums are too
categorized. It is a strength that has a weakness. You can pinpoint a
topic, but you don't get the Bohemian bazaar effect of this list. Let's
KEEP IT GOING!
Cheers,
Ivan
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15) From: Sheila Quinn
We don't have specialty roasters nearby either. At least we have Dunn 
Bros that roasts right in the shop, so I can get them fresh. Otherwise, 
it's grocery store beans. Ugh. If I were to order roasted coffee online, 
Metropolis (out of Chicago) is my favorite.
As for comparing home roasted to commercially roasted, it depends on the 
person doing the roasting. There are good and bad commercial roasters, 
as we all know. And home roasters who probably don't know anything about 
profiling. With SM's good beans, though, even newbies can get good 
flavor with a simple popcorn popper. Still far better than store bought 
beans.
Sheila
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16) From: Tom Ulmer
What do you consider to be "top commercially roasted"?  While I do not ring
the bell at every roast I still prefer my own to commercial roasts I've
tried. I have subscribed to Sweet Maria's roasted program for six months
while unable to roast my own. The roasts I received were quite pleasing and
thoroughly enjoyed. Sweet Maria's favors profiles which enhance natural
sweetness and floral (tea-like) qualities. These are simply different
characteristics than I prefer when I roast.

17) From: Martin Maney
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 10:55:15AM -0400, Seth Grandeau wrote:
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Most of the time, I'll roast something and drink it unrested, then with
one day's rest, then ...  :-/
After the Nesco stopped working, I got a bag from IHaveABean.com, a
very local ( mile from home) roaster.  Their mission is laudable, and
the operation was started, I suspect, in part to fund the building of
the one-off large fluid bed roaster (I think they had a 12 lb batch
going the time I was there getting the story).  I guess one or more of
the founders has been homeroasting for a while.
Anyway, whatever I got - probably some CA bean - it was just okay. =
Useful to learn just how spoiled I'd become after nearly two years of
only SM's excellent selections.  No way to be sure it was the original
green or the roast, but before the Behmor arrived and I had a nice cup
of restless whatever to enjoy, I formed the notion that the greens
probably wouldn't have made it onto SM's list, or only in the middle of
a draught of Centrals.  Not actually bad, just... not up to snuff.
Back before I started roasting, and once when it was just too cold on
the porch to consider roasting for a week or more, I got by with a
local breakfast & lunch chain's "house blend", which came from
Intelligensia.  That was good, so good that, with my low rate of
consumption, it was pretty obvious how much it faded before I'd get to
the end of the 1lb bags.  Decided to try this home roasting thing
instead, which led to the unexpected box of greens on Christmas, and so
to the porch with heat gun and bowl on the 26th.  Ain't never goin'
back...
-- =
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18) From: Demian Ebert
Mike
I realized after I sent my note that I should have included your company on
the list. You do fine work for sure, I just don't get to you area very
often.
Perhaps I'm not buying the correct commercially roasted coffees, but what I
have bought hasn't generally been as good as what I roast. And I'm
certainly not an expert. To each there own though right?
Demian
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19) From: John Stewart
+1 for stumptown. I live in Portland - the home of Stumptown. Even so=
, I pick through the bags to get recent roast dates. I have learned to n=
ever buy coffee without a roasted-on date. I used it for my daughter's w=
edding when I needed a bunch more than I could roast practically myself, an=
d it turned out great.
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20) From: Martin Maney
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:56:41AM -0500, Sandy Andina wrote:
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Friends of mine have claimed to scandalize (or delight, depends on
who's telling it) more traditional folks at the Winnipeg fest in the
wee hours by singing MEC to a variety of other melodys.  Pinball
Wizard, The Stripper, oh, many others, but those stuck.
I can't remember how it worked with TS's melody.  Lots of folk license
has to be applied, I expect.  Pinball Wizard, OTOH, seems almost made
for the lyrics.  :-)
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21) From: Martin Maney
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 01:23:16PM -0400, sci wrote:
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Just want to point out that we do have long conversations that couldn't
be fit into categories on the other side.  I'm embarassed to have
started one, quite unintentionally, when I started "I Have Met The
Bean" in the new roasters section.  Fell in with some chatty folks who
became friends and long-distance coffee sharers, and, well, the faces
change but the damned thread goes on and on and on and on...
I signed up for both the forum and this list at the same time. 
Expected to forget the forum password, but it worked out the other way
around.  It's not that you're unfriendly here, but it has the feel of
an old, well-established club, not so comfortable for newcomers.  Or
maybe it's just that the younger folk prefer forums... except I'm not
the only old fart who's been hanging out in the forum.  Dunno.
-- 
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well-established grievance; a feeling of having been injured,
on which his mind can brood from hour to hour, allowing him
to plead his own cause in his own court, within his own heart,
and always to plead it successfully.  -- Anthony Trollope
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22) From: Sandy Andina
Thanks for the earworm!  You haven't lived till you've heard Rogers sing his own parody of "Barrett's Privateers," "Barrett's Private Parts." 
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23) From: gin powell
to the list...
I have been around a long time on the list...
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categorized.<<<
your comment is a moot point.  life is too
categorized...
you take what you want from here but do you use that information to help
others
or is it simply for you???
this is a forum regardless of how you see it, what you call it -
this is a forum for coffee.
why is that an issue for you or anyone???\
makes no difference what you call a coffee list it is a forum for
thought.......
this has always been the best place for general coffee talk. yes other
forums have come into place for
the same reasons but have evolved into specific topics because that  is the
way members took/take
the conversations.
is SM not a place to be because it is not as populated as it was 6 years
ago, no of course not.
to say that you are the only place to have long conversations is stupid
Martin.
ginny
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24) From: Steve Hamm
I joined the list in April, mainly because I wanted to get notices from
Byron of the availability of new beans. I'm getting the notices, which is
good. Beyond that, I haven't been impressed (with scattered exceptions). I
do appreciate roasting notes, but I haven't seen many.
NOTE TO BYRON: If I were a marketing guy at Sweet Maria's, I would
immediately convert this list to announcements only, and redirect people to
adding moderated comments and user reviews of beans on the website. From a
business standpoint, this list makes no sense especially compared to
helpful, moderated comments right there on the page with the "add to cart"
button.
As a relative newcomer, the list seems dysfunctional. Re: Martin's comment
below, it doesn't seem very friendly (or helpful) around here, and probably
doesn't serve a good business purpose.
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25) From: Larry Dorman
Wow... where to start.  If this list were to turn into an announcements
only list then it would actually hurt business.  If it weren't for this
list I might never have gotten to where I am today.  I've 'given' Sweet
Maria's many thousands of dollars at this point because of this list.
That said, there are some times when some careful moderation would be a
good thing.  Tom used to do this when absolutely necessary.
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26) From: Larry Dorman
BTW... I hope my comment didn't come across as personal or dismissive.  I
actually appreciate that you were willing to stick your neck out and hold
the list members accountable for some boorish behavior.  I also think it
would be a marketing disaster to end the list.  :)
This list acts more as a community than as a marketing branch of Sweet
Maria's.  What I'd prefer to see happen is for us as a community to adopt a
code of conduct and hold each other accountable.  :)
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27) From: Greg Gearheart
Eh, the general trend these days is towards less accountability. That said,
some good examples of citizenship are helpful now and again.  I like the
discourse and discord of this list and am willing to let my nostalgia go to
see an evolution of this list.  I have way more to learn from you all.  And
I have learned that I can learn from all types of sources.
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28) From: miKe mcKoffee

29) From: Dhananjaya
I just woke up ... I'll be quick with my useless comment.
Marketing is on the web site. If you rely on a forum for marketing ... Good luck.
From the Merriam-Webster definition of FORUM:
a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business
b : a public meeting place for open discussion
c : a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas
Nothing there about ideas expressed having to make any sense :). Thank you for expressing your ideas. We are also expressing ours. I
don't criticise you for expressing yours, I just really don't agree. OTOH, you did get me to post.
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I joined the list in April, mainly because I wanted to get notices from
Byron of the availability of new beans. I'm getting the notices, which is
good. Beyond that, I haven't been impressed (with scattered exceptions). I
do appreciate roasting notes, but I haven't seen many.
NOTE TO BYRON: If I were a marketing guy at Sweet Maria's, I would
immediately convert this list to announcements only, and redirect people to
adding moderated comments and user reviews of beans on the website. From a
business standpoint, this list makes no sense especially compared to
helpful, moderated comments right there on the page with the "add to cart"
button.
As a relative newcomer, the list seems dysfunctional. Re: Martin's comment
below, it doesn't seem very friendly (or helpful) around here, and probably
doesn't serve a good business purpose.
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30) From: Michael Baladi
Hey!
That's not playing fair, you snipped a bit out of context!
Right after your snip I said: I can hop on SM and order top tier coffee to roast all year around. Most (not all, just most) local roasters around me, whether due to inability to source, inability to pay the premium, or whatever, start with a much lesser bean.
That is absolutely true. There is no roaster around me that offers top tier beans that I know of.
I agree that "top commercial roasters" bring in greens that are on par. Maybe what we disagree on is the occurence of top commercial roasters. It's non-existent by me.
Mike
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available to the home roaster is much higher in general.
At one time I might have thought and said the same thing, but it's
absolutely untrue. I've seen both sides intimately for many years now. Tom
does not have a lock on top greens but any stretch of the imagination. Top
commercial roasters bring in greens every bit on par with what Tom offers.
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31) From: Mike Koenig
Steve - go read the other thread about why a lot of us don't really like
the forums or website based reviews much.
--mike
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32) From: Michael Baladi
This is an email list, not a forum. Email lists are one of the biggest form of advertisement on the planet. What do you think most SPAM is? If I'm forming a new business and only advertised on my website I can guarantee you I'd fail as a business.
The greatest weakness of this list as a form of record on discussion of beans is the lack of history. I don't have a local copy of everything sent on the list. The copy I have seen online, frankly, the interface sucks.
Not to mention, I think there's a lot of potential to a direct link from the ordering page to a history of the beans purchased from that coop/farm/etc...
Not just Tom's views, but discussion on that bean as well.
No one's forcing anyone to use that information, but I think it'd be a great resource for those interested.
I don't know, I guess Amazon has it wrong by leveraging user reviews? Yes, there's a lot of crap to weed through on there sometimes, but if you know how to use them I find them invaluable.
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I just woke up ... I'll be quick with my useless comment.
Marketing is on the web site. If you rely on a forum for marketing ... Good luck.
From the Merriam-Webster definition of FORUM:
a : the marketplace or public place of an ancient Roman city forming the center of judicial and public business
b : a public meeting place for open discussion
c : a medium (as a newspaper or online service) of open discussion or expression of ideas
Nothing there about ideas expressed having to make any sense :). Thank you for expressing your ideas. We are also expressing ours. I
don't criticise you for expressing yours, I just really don't agree. OTOH, you did get me to post.
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33) From: miKe mcKoffee
Actually we are probably NOT in disagreement on occurrence of top commercial
roasters (any more than top coffeehouses). I never said they were to be
found everywhere which they (neither roaster or coffeehouses of highest
standards) most certainly are not! 
Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
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34) From: Sandy Andina
Wouldn't be surprised to learn that some of the best local and regional small-volume roasters get their greens from Sweet Maria's. So it turns out that many of us are not "cheating" on SM's when we purchase already-roasted beans.
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Peace & Song, 
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35) From: George Miller
Lurker coming out!
I agree with that statement that it's not that the list members are
unfriendly, but it seems new roasters with not much to offer are treated
differently.  If the new comer with little experience posts enough the
newbie starts in my opinion to gain more respect therefore treated
differently.   On my case, I'm not a big at posting either in forums or
newsletters and the like.  I have learned a lot through here and was
disappointed when things really died down.
Back into oblivion.
George
Drink more coffee and do stupid things faster and with more energy.
Never argue with an idiot.  He'll drag you down to his level then beat you
with experience.
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36) From: Martin Maney
On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 04:36:55PM -0500, Sandy Andina wrote:
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A pleasure I'll never have, alas.  In fact, I don't think I've ever
come across more than a few scraps of the lyrics to the parodic
version.  I have to admit I haven't tried especially hard to turn it
up.  ;-/
OTC: with the components starting the fifth and sixth day since
roasting, this Mokha Matari - Java Sunda blend is just amazing.  Not
that the components were slouches alone, either of them.
Oops, left this sitting in the buffer all day long.  Better late than
never?
-- 
During much of that epoch [the thirties and early forties],
I gained my livelihood writing for the silver screen,
an occupation which, like herding swine, makes the vocabulary pungent
but contributes little to one's prose style.  -- S J Perelman
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37) From: Dhananjaya
Michael, you're confusing content and distribution / access. This list's content (as opposed the list of user's, which is what
you're alluring to) is potentially the same as any forum. You express your opinion / view on a specific subject, here being home
roasting coffee. The difference from a web forum is that you receive the content as a batch of messages you read offline instead of
roaming through the threads online.
Both forums and lists can be and are used for marketing purposes. There really is no difference in the potential content, only the
access method differs. The list is great for keeping up to date, not so great for ad-hoc research. Two different interfaces with
different conveniences.
And there is indeed a list message history on the server, accessible to users. It's the list archive.
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To: "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this
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Subject: Re: [Homeroast] What Coffee Do You Buy, When You Can't Roast
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This is an email list, not a forum. Email lists are one of the biggest form of advertisement on the planet. What do you think most
SPAM is? If I'm forming a new business and only advertised on my website I can guarantee you I'd fail as a business.
The greatest weakness of this list as a form of record on discussion of beans is the lack of history. I don't have a local copy of
everything sent on the list. The copy I have seen online, frankly, the interface sucks.
Not to mention, I think there's a lot of potential to a direct link from the ordering page to a history of the beans purchased from
that coop/farm/etc...
Not just Tom's views, but discussion on that bean as well.
No one's forcing anyone to use that information, but I think it'd be a great resource for those interested.
I don't know, I guess Amazon has it wrong by leveraging user reviews? Yes, there's a lot of crap to weed through on there sometimes,
but if you know how to use them I find them invaluable.
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38) From: Frank Parth
Mike,
Couldn't disagree with you more. This is indeed a forum where members have been free for years to share ideas and experiences. 
I don't know what kind of business you're trying to start. But your statement about advertising is way off base. Your web site can be a very valuable marketing tool all by itself if you do it right. 
I've never advertised my consulting business anywhere but on its web site and I'm turning contracts down because I have more than I can handle. I've opened offices in Europe and in Australia to handle most of the overseas contracts and I still spend a lot of time on airplanes. That's why I haven't participated in this forum as much as I used to.
Frank Parth
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39) From: Michael Baladi
I'm sorry but a website alone isn't advertisement. To get the traffic you are talking about means you put your name out there. Whether it was google, ad's, emails, word of mouth. My point is that a web site is a source of information that requires people to go to. That requires some kind of notification for people to learn about. If I create a hypothetical website called www.coffeeexpertroaster.com and do NOT advertise the website. No one will ever know to go to it. Yes, they are great for conveying information, once you've established traffic to them. They write entire books on strategy to get traffic to your website. It's the advertisement that gets people to your website.
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40) From: miKe mcKoffee
True, BUT you have to know about SM website to know about and sign up for
this List from SM website! So if the logic is for this being an advertising
announcement only List so it's "better" at advertising for the website -
not. 
Slave to the Bean miKe mcKoffee
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URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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41) From: Edward Bourgeois
What's great about home roasting is being able to roast anything I want and
anyway I want it. But the main problem that also slows up getting better
with experience is that I can't really explore a bean with many profile
test roasts as I'd like. Cuz I end up with way too much of that coffee to
drink. Or have to then spend time finding homes for it without future
commitments, that  can easily get complicated.
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42) From: Edward Bourgeois
I live in a strange area for specialty roasters, with several of some of
the earliest and most progressive roasters of the time. But unfortunately
most are still roasting the same beans the same way. Far less interesting
than they once were for me.
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43) From: Frank Parth
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Agreed that your name needs to get out. That's why I publish and give seminars at international conferences. All of my Middle East business stems from one seminar I gave back in 2006.
Do you need to buy ads on Google? Nonsense. That's a great money maker for them, not necessarily for you.
They write books on strategy to sell books on strategy. They write lots of articles because that's how authors and reporters get recognized. 
Do what make sense for your business, but don't assume all businesses have to use the same approach. That's like saying all coffee beans have to be roasted the same way. 
Be creative when it comes to getting your business name out there.
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44) From: Bob Hazen
Chuckle....  The Romans had a forum too.  I remember the "good ole days" of 
this list, forum, whateveryawannacallit.  On occasion there was some 
similarity to the Roman version.  The revival of this list is reminding me 
of a family reunion.  Some old farts, some new folks, some happy, some 
grouchy.  But always a lively bunch.
When I can't roast, or get lazy, all it takes is a can of Foulgers and I'm 
back to roasting.  Even the specialty roasters in this area don't seem to 
better my own roast.
Bob

45) From: Brian Kamnetz
I agree, Bob. It's fun to see some activity again. When I joined the list
there were LOTS of posts, I bet 40-50 per day, so many that I established a
gmail account just for this list! I am not handy with tools, don't know
much about electricity except that I stay away from it whenever possible,
but those things interest me and I always enjoy the more technical posts.
And the ones from people like me too, of course.
Brian
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