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Topic: vac brew timing (11 msgs / 249 lines)
1) From: Lee XOC
Seems to be a contradiction on the website wrt brew times for various vac
brewers.  At the bottom of the vac brew page is an in-depth review of the
Bodum Electric Santos, which says in part that one flaw is that it has a
fixed automatic brew time of 30 seconds in the upper chamber, which is too
short.  However in the Yama tip sheet it says to brew it about 30 seconds in
the upper chamber.  Eh beh beh?  I brew about 75-90 seconds after all the
water is up in the top chamber of my Yama, and the result is good.  Others
I've spoken to insist 4 full minutes are required.  Anyone help me sort this
all out? ;)
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2) From: John Blumel
On 3/15/02 10:02 AM, Lee XOC wrote:
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I think some major factors here are how much coffee you use for a given 
volume of water, how fine you grind it and the temperature you brew it at 
-- in other words, the other 3 of 4 factors that effect the brew. Five 
tablespoons of coffee (~38g) ground at a setting of 6 on a Solis 166 and 
brewed with 16oz of water for 40-45 seconds in a Yama using a cloth 
filter makes a very nice cup for me. I also do not place the funnel on 
the bowl until there is steam swirling around and rising out of the bowl, 
which seems to give me a fairly repeatable water temp that is just right 
(without actually having to measure it) and minimizes the time it takes 
for the water to rise into the funnel.
I believe one of the problems I've heard associated with the eSantos is 
that the mesh filter does not allow a fine enough grind for the 
relatively short steep time. Another issue, which may exacerbate the 
first, seems to be a relatively low water temperature in the upper 
chamber.
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3) From: floyd burton
Yeah lots of opinions-I have a Nicro SS Vac Pot and I let it boil till the
bubbles start to get small-that is about 3 - 4 minutes and that seems to
work for me.  Nice flavors.
Let you taste buds guide you-there are soo many variables including grind
type, coffee freshness and so forth it is IMHO silly to find any hard and
fast rules.  By the way-this thing not only produces great coffee-it is fast
and easy to use-once I got over the stuck pot sysdrome-was great.

4) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Lee XOC" 
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this
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The finer the grind, the shorter the infusion time needed. Person taste is
always a factor of course.
MM;-)
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5) From: Angelo
I'm surprised that this "information" has not been corrected...There have 
been simple fixes which were men mentioned on this list, as well as on 
alt.coffee, which enable the Electric Santos/Barista to brew for as long as 
one wishes .
One is to raise the pot so that some water stays over the sensor...I don't 
remember the details.
Another is to place the upper bowl on in a particular way, which would 
create the same effect. The latter method is used by my cousin to get times 
of three and four minutes if he wishes... In discussing his method, we came 
to the conclusion that a simple " gasket keying" , by Bodum,of the two 
bowls would produce the desired times...
I'm sure someone has saved the hacks and would be happy to share them, if 
you needed that....
Ciao,
Angelo
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6) From: Akemi Kawano
I usually brew 2 minutes in my Yama after all the water is up with 
consistently good results.
;-)
On 2002.03.15, at 11:02, Lee XOC wrote:
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7) From: Andrew Thomas
From: "Lee XOC" 
Seems to be a contradiction on the website wrt brew times for various vac brewers.  At the bottom of the vac brew page is an in-depth review of the Bodum Electric Santos, which says in part that one flaw is that it has a fixed automatic brew time of 30 seconds in the upper chamber, which is too short.  However in the Yama tip sheet it says to brew it about 30 seconds in the upper chamber.  Eh beh beh?  I brew about 75-90 seconds after all the water is up in the top chamber of my Yama, and the result is good.  Others I've spoken to insist 4 full minutes are required.  Anyone help me sort this all out? ;)
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Ditto what others said about grind, personal taste, etc. Experiment, and then do what makes coffee that you like. I use a Nicro s/s and time one minute from when all the water is up. Total brewing time is typically about 3 1/2 minutes, but occasionally varies for no apparent reason (and still tastes pretty good).
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8) From: HV
At 08:02 -0800 15-3-02, you wrote:
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3-4 minutes is a usual recommendation, but the actual time needed (cq. 
possible) does depend on a number of variables: grind setting, filter, size 
& shape of vac pot, etc.
For a detailed description of the variables, check my vac brewing pages:http://home.planet.nl/~rjeroenv/brewing/vacpots/vacbrewing_1.htmlCheers,
HV
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9) From: Lee XOC
< [mailto:homeroast-admin]On Behalf Of HV
< Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 8:45 AM
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< For a detailed description of the variables, check my vac brewing pages:
<http://home.planet.nl/~rjeroenv/brewing/vacpots/vacbrewing_1.htmlGreat little website and very interesting comments from others in previous
emails.  One factor no one mentioned though (or I missed?) -- isn't there a
maximum brewing time after which bad stuff from the beans starts leaching
into the brew?
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10) From: HV
Hello Lee,
At 10:37 -0800 17-3-02, you wrote:
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Yes, naturally the same "rules" for under- & over-extraction that apply to 
all infusion brewing methods, are also relevant vac pots. Simply put, 
steeping too short will yield a weak brew & too long will result in bitter 
coffee & the "too long/too short" question is related to the grind size.
The vac brewing page is specifically concerned with the process variables 
related to vac pots - such as the sort of filter & the size & shape of the 
vac pot. It's important to be aware of these factors, since they impose 
upper & lower limits to the steeping time which are not found in, say, 
press pot. Theoretically you could throw whole beans in your press & steep 
for ages. Doing the same with a vac pot, however, is likely to kill it. You 
have to be aware of these limits, before you can safely experiment & find 
the optimal steep time by using your taste buds.
BTW, thanks for the compliments on the site. It's still small, but will get 
bigger in the future - when I've the time, I'll add stuff about moka pots, 
espresso, coffee roasters, etc. etc...
Cheers,
HV
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11) From: Timothy A Reed
On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:18:04 -0500 Angelo 
writes:
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don't 
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Nor do I, and I'd appreciate a repost.
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