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Topic: Hottop (141 msgs / 3361 lines)
1) From: John - Deep Southern Texas
Bart,
    when you say a lot of smoke - is that compared to a FR or Poppery, or
just lots of smoke?
    I understand the Alp smokes a lot as well - maybe its the price you p=
ay
for a 1/2 pound load.
John
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2) From: John - Deep Southern Texas
Charlie, stop that!  I want to hear that when my HotTop arrives my having=
 to
work at a roast is history.  I know that I can just poke in the right
instructions and it will deliver bagged and sealed coffee. :O))   The one
thing that is beginning to dawn slowly is that when I mess up a roast - I
mess up 3 bucks worth. I wonder how long it will be before I quit roastin=
g
the first sample from a new lot in the FR+ before committing a profile in
the HotTop.
John - still excited about getting started Wednesday
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3) From: John - Deep Southern Texas
OK - when it reaches preheating temperature and beeps, don't push the start
button to tell it you have put in the beans - they will immediately eject.
Hey I was only trying to make my new machine feel like it was in control -
how'd I know?
OK - preheat has begun again.
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4) From: John - Deep Southern Texas
Ted, you've just confirmed what my wife said just moments ago. Guys expect
to get battle scars in the interest of their passions. I wish I could get
some aloe to you - it is all over the landscape down here. About 1/4 mile
north of us is a 200 acre Field of it being commercially grown and harvested
 When we first moved here I was surprised that there is no security set up
around the farm at all. Then I noticed just how much of it grows wild and
understood. Of course the stuff they grow commercially gets much bigger, and
much faster than the household stuff or the wild stuff. 
Hope we both survive all this science :o))
John
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5) From: Jack Berry
I just received this reply - maybe someone is interested (-;
It will be available soon.
The retail price about uS$480.
Shelly

6) From: Lissa
On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 09:55, Jack Berry wrote:
<Snip>
I'm sure I would be, but what on earth is a winmail.dat file?  Sounds
Windows specific, and I don't use Windows.  
Be well,
Lissa
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7) From: Jack Berry
Not sure what your seeing there Lissa. The post came through fine on my end.
I certainly didn't intend to send a file, only a message.

8) From: John - In Deep Southern Texas
Lissa - try this one.  Sorry about the Mac compatibility - those of us using
that old run of the mill MS/OS don't have trouble reading Mac or anything -
there's a price on everything isn't there :O)  Message follows:
I just received this reply - maybe someone is interested (-;
It will be available soon.
The retail price about uS$480.
Shelly

9) From: Dave Huddle
On my machine, the original had a  winmail.dat attachment.
But my employer preferred email system doesn't "do" attachments.
Dave
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10) From: Lissa
On Fri, 2002-04-19 at 11:27, John - In Deep Southern Texas wrote:
<Snip>
Thank you, John.  This time, I could see it.
<Snip>
Actually, I use Linux.  And would have had the same issue had I still
been using Windows, since I used Pegusus as an e-mail client back then. 
More the price of using Outlook (besides the virus issues ).
<Snip>
Hmm...if they've fixed the cooling issue and Tom says they are good,
I'll skip a house payment to buy it.  Otherwise, I'll just save up.  
Be well,
Lissa
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11) From: dewardh
Jack:
<Snip>
Ouch!  At that price one could buy two Rosto's (300 gram total capacity ) and something like 40 
pounds of coffee . . . not to mention having a batch size that permits maintaining a variety of 
fresh roasted beans for those of us who consume less than a pound a week.  I'd like one to play 
with, but . . .
Of course there will be those who claim some "vastly better flavor" . . . (and will continue with 
that claim even after they prove unable to tell the difference in a blind cupping . . . ).  No 
doubt it will find a niche in the market . . .
Deward
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12) From: Steve Shank
Not windows, just some version of Outlook. Probably when incorporated in a=
 company internal mail program.  It is attached to all email by microsoft=
 to warn others of increased danger of viruses and worms and also to allow=
 us to understand how the sender sets up his directory structure. From=
 inside that dat file I found:
"C:\Documents and Settings\Jack\Local Settings\Application=
 Data\Microsoft\Outlook\outlook.pst"
So we know his user name is jack even though it is signed Shelly
Also there is:=
 IJUSTRECEIVEDTHISREPLY-MAYBESOMEONEISINTERESTED(-;ITWILLBEAVAILABLESOONTHER=
ETAILPRICEABOUTUS$480SHEL    p5
and also: IPM.Microsoft Mail.Note
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13) From: Michael Rochman
Would you please post the website?  Thanx, Mike

14) From: Al Raden
Just think how many poppers you could buy for $480.    ;-)
It's interesting, and it's good to see someone else getting into the 
market, but the capacity is too large for me.  I'm the only coffee 
drinker in the house, and always have at least a couple of roast levels 
available.  If I had a unit that large, I'd be drinking stale coffee by 
the time I finished a batch.
- al r.
dewardh wrote:
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15) From: Steve Shank
It isn't that the email is unreadable, it is that an attachment called=
 winmail.dat is added to the email and the first few hundred times this=
 useless attachment appears in our email programs (regardless of operating=
 system) it arouses curiosity.
If you like, I'll save the attachment and send it to you (privately) so you=
 can see what outlook is sending out regarding your system.
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16) From: Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX
From: dewardh 
Subject: RE: +Hottop
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:59:13 -0700
<Snip>
If I were to add something to it, Turbo Oven can easily handle 300g
batch at $70 and can also roast a single seed if you want to. I also
roast sesame, also cashew while drinking wine. I'm waiting for a $30
bean agitator to arrive to make a $100 system that can do up to a
pound (hopefully). Will report after trying a few times with taht combo.
Addendum on the strong spiciness I have found with Turbo Oven roasted
coffees.  They seem to mild out a few days after roasting. You should
keep enough to taste every other day for a week or so to see the
difference for first few times. I'm not saying the coffee stales
slower or anything, but the coffee tones down over days and can still
be enjoyable. So far, the sample size is four (Brazil, Guatemala,
Sumatra, Ethiopia).
--
Ryuji Suzuki
"I can't believe I'm here.
People always say that I'm a long way from normal."
(Bob Dylan, Normal, Illinois, 13 February 1999)
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17) From: Bart Frazee
Al:
I'm in the same boat, that is why I'm looking into vacuum sealing and
freezing roasted beans.
Bart
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:23:42 -0400, you wrote:
<Snip>
 ) and something like 40 
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maintaining a variety of 
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week.  I'd like one to play 
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 . (and will continue with 
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blind cupping . . . ).  No 
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18) From: John - In Deep Southern Texas
Steve,
    Although I was last a pastor - I was first an engineer, then a certified
IT - I understand what Mime encoding looks like and I also understand that
the headers can be turned off so they don't print or show.  My point remains
that the vast majority of us aren't plagued with this sort of problem - and
then a compliment of sorts about paying a price for sophistication.  Relax!
Go get a cup of something hot.

19) From: John Blumel
On Fri, 19 Apr 2002 12:33:58 -0400 (EDT), Ryuji Suzuki -- JF7WEX wrote:
<Snip>
Is there much of a first crack in this case?
John Blumel
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20) From: Jack Berry
Not sure when I'll add a roaster but I would sure like the increased batch
size and it sounds like there are some pretty good feature additions in
technological side.

21) From: Jack Berry
Please do.

22) From: Jack Berry
http://www.hottop.com.tw/food_dehydrator1.html

23) From: Michael Rochman
Thank you!   Mikehttp://www.hottop.com.tw/food_dehydrator1.htmlWould you please post the website?  Thanx, Mike
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24) From: Al Raden
I'd rather roast the smaller batches more frequently (one of the 
advantages of working at home :-)  ).  Every 2-3 days, a batch of monkey 
blend (in my HWG), and a batch of whatever varietal I'm using, is about 
right.
- al r.
Bart Frazee wrote:
<Snip>

25) From: Mark Prince
At 12:29 PM 13/05/2002, you wrote:
<Snip>
Hey, I got mine only a day later than they did :)
And to be fair, Randy Glass had one for months before... as did HV (Robert).
Mark
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26) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Mark Prince" 
<Snip>
(Robert).
Way beside the point. Y'all got it before us! ;-(
Besides, of course Baratza didn't mention anyone got it before them, and
lose bragging points? Hey, maybe they belong to the CSA! 
MM;-)
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27) From: Bart Frazee
My HotTop came yesterday. 
My first roast was Ethiopian Yirgacheffe Gr.2  '01crop.
It handled the small beans OK, but there were a few beans caught
between the drum and the window. 
I heard one snap at 6:30 but there were no more up to 12:31 when I got
nervous about the color and hit eject. ( I don't like dark roasts)
The beans were so hard they stalled my Solis Maestro.
Oh well.... the instruction recommends throwing out the first batch
anyway.
This mornings Batch was Yeman Mocca Raimi  '01
1st crack from 15:00 to about 16:00  lots of smoke!
At 16:30 I thought I heard what was probably 2nd crack and pressed
eject.
Nice even brown..... first taste tomorrow.
The amount of smoke would have been cause for panic if not for the
warnings  received here.
The cooling system works great but does little to remove the chaff. As
it was cooling,  chaff came to the surface and I just blew it away.
When it was done I tossed the beans between two colanders while
standing out in the breeze.
Bottom line so far...... I love it!
Bart
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28) From: Bart Frazee
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 15:53:25 -0500 (Central Standard Time), you wrote:
<Snip>
or
<Snip>
Definitely compared to my poppery! I would not consider using it
inside no mater how good my exhaust fan. 
<Snip>
pay
<Snip>
I use my Poppery in the garage too so it's no big deal for me.
Bart
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29) From: Charlie Herlihy
Bart F wrote;>This mornings Batch was Yeman Mocca Raimi  '01
<Snip>
<Snip>
<Snip>
Good luck to y'all with the new Hot Tops. Things do get progressively trickier, and much smokier as you get into bigger batches. If you still have the Mocha Raimi 01 then I guess you're used to it by now. I haven't tried that crop. But, the Raimi 02 is something that one might not want to try without a good long rest. I'm not at all scared of "wild", dry processed coffees and I search them out. This one, the 02, is wilder than most, though. It whole dried a little slower than optomal IMO and is definitely not for the squeamish.
Charlie
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30) From: Simpson
John, I wish I had been there to see your face when the beans vomited
out of the front when you pushed 'start'! The image is pretty funny,
OTOH I'm really sorry you burned yourself. I have just removed all of
the hair from my left forearm and burned the tips of two fingers on my
latest try at a gas burner for an air roaster. Sigh. The HT is probably
better and safer than DIY. Wish I had some aloe...
Ted

31) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
As far as I know, there are at least three ways of purchasing the HotTop
roaster in the USA.
1. Buy from L.A., e-mail: info , Attn: Irene Lee
2. From Taiwan directly from the manufacturer, the new design with the
"grill" protection. The cost is $600 and the freight fee is S$100. Contact
Shelly at HotTop: hottop
3. From European and British importers; that might be the least convenient
way.
Shelly might not be able to respond quickly; she recently returned from UK
and is taking few weeks off, as her mother is ill. Perhaps someone else at
HotTop would help.
BTW, we are still very happy with our HotTop roaster.
Regards, Lubos
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32) From: John Abbott
Lubos,
Not sure who you were responding to, but you can get a unit from
hottop4less [Michael] who sells them in singles for $525, which is
$75 less than Irene Lee sells them for in singles.
John - who also still loves his HT

33) From: Ed Needham
....and Ebay.  $499
Ed Needham
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34) From: John Kuta
Through John Abbott's sourcing legwork, I took a chance on Michael 
Anderson  to resell me a Hottop.  I placed the 
order on Monday at noon via credit card and received the shipment 
Thursday morning.  He reboxed the original, double-box packaging, 
adding a third layer to further shield any bumps and blows and 
forwarded to me the UPS tracking number.  Michael was professional, 
prompt and courteous.  The agreed price was commensurate with the 
quality of service.  I am a satisfied customer.
First impressions?  I have done four 250 Kg roasts since Thursday 
afternoon.  In comparison to my limping Alpenröst, this roaster is =
very 
quiet, allows better manual control and is much more efficient at 
cooling the beans.  An added bonus, clean-up is fast and simple.
John .-
On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 01:45  PM, John Abbott wrote:
<Snip>
the
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35) From: Rick Farris
John Kuta wrote:
<Snip>
JEEZUS!  DUDE!  How about tossing a few Kg my way?
-- Rick
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36) From: John Kuta
Rick Farris wrote:
<Snip>
Marauding neighbors stripped me clean!   --John
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37) From: John Abbott
Aha!  You'll learn to either roast inside or very late at night - as I did
:O)  Hey, but your neighbors start hanging around a lot more and that's
good.
John

38) From: Ben Treichel
John,
He really has you beat since he claims that he roasted ~ 550 lbs of 
coffee and gave it mostly to the neighbors. ;-)
Ben
John Abbott wrote:
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39) From: John Abbott
Yeah, but mine was KONA!!  And its a title I'll give away freely.

40) From: John Kuta
I'm permanently banned roasting indoors.  Smoke from the Hottop appears 
less than the Alp.  Burning chaff?
John .-
On Monday, February 17, 2003, John Abbott wrote:
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41) From: John Abbott
Oh yeah - you have to empty that chaff tray after EVERY roast or you'll be
smoking it on the next roast.  Be very careful removing it - the tray handle
is poorly designed and you can make contact with the two screws that hold it
onto the tray and burn yourself, which will cause you to then throw the
tray, chaff and all - and now your wife is really interested in "What's
going on in there?!"
John - the old version

42) From: John Kuta
John, I do empty the chaff tray after every roast.  Roasting 
dry-processed Brazilian, one-third of the chaff migrated to the bottom 
of the roast chamber under the tray.  Is it necessary to sweep out the 
bottom more than every 4 roasts?
John .-
On Monday, February 17, 2003, John Abbott wrote:
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43) From: John Abbott
If I roast something with a lot of chaff I stick the vacuum hose (with the
upholstery fitting) in the tray slot. I do it about every other roast then.
The rest of the time I just gaze in and see if it needs help. I bought a
Dirt Devil from Wal-Mart for $19 just to keep my coffee area clean.
Smartest thing I've done as far as peace in the kitchen goes. The Devil is
small enough to store on the same shelf as the roaster so it just stays out
when I'm roasting.  Helps with picking up the beans that always manage to
find their way to the floor too :O)

44) From: John Kuta
I am using a long handle brush and making a bigger mess then when I 
begin.  Only $19?  Time for a road trip to Wal-Mart.
John .-
On Monday, February 17, 2003, John Abbott wrote:
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45) From: Rick Farris
John Kuta wrote:
<Snip>
They have models for $20, $30, $40, and up.  I'd recommend the $20 version.
I bought a full one-horsepower Shark and I wish I'd bought something way
smaller.  With no cord.
-- Rick
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46) From: R.N.Kyle
<Snip>
I'm glad I stay clear of this thanks to advise I got from Rick and other =
people on this list. Somebody that goes around with multiple handles to =
hide his real identity is no IMO trustworthy.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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47) From: Rick Farris
This is just too rich.  For those of you following "Jeff," who tried to jack
Ron Kyle around by announcing an imminent $100 price increase in the HotTop
roaster and then tried to shill for his business on alt.coffee as "spanky"
posted this today:
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	Subject: Luv my Hottop
	From: "Mary" 
	Newsgroups: alt.coffee
	Just got my new $499.00 Hottop bean roaster and I love it.
	Does anyone have experience with this roaster and suggestions?
	Thank you,
	Mary
-----
Examination of the (unincluded) headers shows it's the same old Jeff.  Some
people never learn.
-- Rick
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48) From: Jim Schulman
On 13 Mar 2003 at 22:44, Rick Farris wrote:
<Snip>
Did "Jeff" buy the roasters before he actually had 
any takers and is now getting desperate, or is 
this a rea -- ee -- lly dumb marketing plan. 
Trying to spam coffeeware on alt.coffee is a bit 
like trying to take a bunko squad cop with 3 card 
monte.
Jim
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49) From: Rick Farris
I'm not sure.  All his customers appear to be shills.  Latest word is that
he's got some up at auction on eBay, with multiple good feedback from
"Spanky" and "Mary."

50) From: Oaxaca Charlie
He had a very dubious pitch started to get people to invest in a
"buying coop" to get great deals on greens from Costa Rica. Was
beautifully and (IMO) hilariosly flamed when writing as alter
ego "Mary" on alt.coffee today. 
Charlie
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51) From: Rick Farris
Ron wrote:
<Snip>
There are certain circumstances where I can see someone wanting to hide
their identity, but this guy is just so inept at it...   And then when he's
caught, instead of apologizing and maybe cleaning up his act, he's like a
little three year old trying to brazen it out.
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52) From: Tom & Maria
Also, there appears to be other spamming going on over the HotTop. I 
am really not familiar with some of the people offering them. I know 
a few, and they seem like good, honest, non-spammers. I really cant 
see how anyone would think they can have a good customer relationship 
that starts with spam, but ...
Tom
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53) From: David Lewis
At 1:19 PM -0800 3/14/03, Tom & Maria wrote:
<Snip>
Odd as it seems, it all appears to be the same guy, under various 
aliases. At least it's always the same originating IP address. Of 
course, one is too many.
	David
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54) From: coffeelady
Can anyone explain why people pay $500.00-$600.00 for a roaster and then go to 
so much trouble to re-design it? Much less expensive to play with a popcorn 
popper! Not trying to sound snitty, but what is the problem with keeping it as 
it is?

55) From: Greg Scace
Yeah, but maybe people want drum roasting results.  However, it does seem 
to me that the amount of effort being expended on the hottop might mean 
that it ain't all there yet.  On the other hand, maybe that's what we have 
to deal with since there ain't a versatile drum sample roaster out there 
that is really suitable for hobbyist use and doesn't cost 5k.
-Greg
At 01:29 AM 5/6/2003 +0000, you wrote:
<Snip>

56) From: john roberts
I get the sense that some find great pleasure in the process of taking a
hands on approach to roasting. Having a fully manual roaster wouldn't likely
be commercially successful for entry level as it would be too easy to mess
up.
I sense that there's still a pretty wide range between what is commercially
viable, and what is ideal for the experienced home roaster. I suspect the
answer is a fully automatic roaster that can also be manually controlled
(all things for all people).
The price point isn't the issue,,, if it doesn't do what you want it to do,
and you can't buy one that does. You buy one that's close, and fix it.... or
build one from scratch.
JR

57) From: javafool
Now that really sounds like something my wife would say. Like when I wanted
to buy an atomic clock (don't know why they called it atomic) that would
reset itself 6 times a day to the national bureau of standards signal. "Must
not be much of a clock if it has to be set 6 times a day". Never could
figure how to argue with logic like that!
All I can say is that there are no CSA points for that type of remark.
Arrrrgggg.
TerryF

58) From: miKe mcKoffee

59) From: Ben Treichel
I have one on my wall. It works nice, since its always right.My next 
watch is going to be that way also.
miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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60) From: David Lewis
At 1:29 AM +0000 5/6/03, coffeelady wrote:
<Snip>
To some of us, "no human artifact is perfect" is a basic axiom. True, 
we often get funny looks, but occasionally we do some good.
Best,
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61) From: Ed Needham
Have you ever watched "Home Improvement" on TV?
Arrgggg!  Arrrrggg!  Arrrgggg!
Ed Needham
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62) From: Steve Wall
On Monday, May 5, 2003, at 08:29 PM, coffeelady wrote:
<Snip>
Are there really a lot of people on the list modding hottops?  I would 
guess
at 1 or 2, but I haven't gone back and looked at the message threads.  
There
may be more than 1 or 2 folks out there that're perfectly happy with 
their
hottops.  It's just hard to write an interesting e-mail about how 
content
you are with your current roasting setup, and it doesn't bear repeating 
too
often, while a series of experiments with different roaster mods can 
give
you e-mail fodder for weeks.  The folks with a working roast process 
tend to
write about coffee instead of equipment.
Steve Wall

63) From: David Westebbe
<Snip>
You beg the question by calling it trouble.  If you were to call it fun, you
would still beg the question.
In both cases, you have an answer which is implicit in the question.

64) From: John Abbott
If I thought you really wanted to know, I'd try to answer this.  Suffice
it to say - everything can be improved upon. And if its about money -
Folgers is cheap.
On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 20:29, coffeelady wrote:
    Can anyone explain why people pay $500.00-$600.00 for a roaster and then go to 
    so much trouble to re-design it? Much less expensive to play with a popcorn 
    popper! Not trying to sound snitty, but what is the problem with keeping it as 
    it is?
    

65) From: fletcher sandbeck
<Snip>
I must say that I have noticed that I am able to roast coffee the way I like it in some of the least expensive equipment I own while many of the home roasting machines I've purchased have languished in my garage.  I've had similar experience with grinding and brewing equipment.  I have expensive grinders sitting in my cupboard while I use a blade grinder every day.
I've only recently joined this list, but it appears that there are many people here who really enjoy experimenting with the different processes of roasting coffee while others are simply looking for a good cup of coffee.  Sometimes the journey is its own reward.
[fletcher]

66) From: John Abbott
Well said JR !
On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 15:07, john roberts wrote:
    I get the sense that some find great pleasure in the process of taking a
    hands on approach to roasting. Having a fully manual roaster wouldn't likely
    be commercially successful for entry level as it would be too easy to mess
    up.
    
    I sense that there's still a pretty wide range between what is commercially
    viable, and what is ideal for the experienced home roaster. I suspect the
    answer is a fully automatic roaster that can also be manually controlled
    (all things for all people).
    
    The price point isn't the issue,,, if it doesn't do what you want it to do,
    and you can't buy one that does. You buy one that's close, and fix it.... or
    build one from scratch.
    
    JR

67) From: Owen O'Neill
<Snip>
many
<Snip>
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I'm one of those folks who falls in a different category - I'm sure I'm
not alone. Just as with audio equipment, video gear or computers, I am
reasonably discerning and particular and know what I want.... whjat
really delivers the best results....  but once I get to that point I'm
not on a continual quest to tweak and refine further. There are lots of
electrical engineers and other technically minded folks on this list
and involved with home roasting. It's in the nature of a person who
derives pleasure from solving technical challenges to transfer that to
their hobbies. I certainly appreciate having such folks on the list who
are so willing to share what they've learned. I started with a Poppery
for roasting and switched to an Alp when I got a good deal on one
because I prefer the drum roast taste profile, reduced chaff issues and
ability to roast larger amounts at one time.
Sometimes more expensive equipment really does do a much better job
than cheaper gear but is less forgiving. There's a learning curve. When
I bought a +$1000 espresso machine and a $400 grinder, I thought I'd
magically get stellar results right off the bat. As it turns out, it
took several months of tweaking my technique and patiently learning
from others who've gone before me. Now I get fantastic espresso on just
about every pull of the lever - no way this gear will be relegated to
the garage in favor of something cheaper. But....  now that I've
arrived at that specific point of getting the consistent results I
want, I have no interest in tweaks. That said....  I still read what
others have posted because you just never know what might benefit you.
Owen O'Neill
Rutherford NJ - six miles from midtown Manhattan, where roasting your
own is the only way to get truly good coffee.
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68) From: Phil Jordan
Owen
What you said. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself (particularly the 
part about the audio!)
Phil, who has had a Hottop for 3 months and now tends to be more interested 
in beans and blends .....
-----

69) From: Brian Ray
i also agree that the result is my primary concern.  although the process is 
part of the fun. just curious phil, you didn't happen to live at the nagaoka 
zen juku in 1993-1994?  i had a friend by the same name who i knew from 
those days.
cheers,
brian
From: "Phil Jordan" 
Reply-To: homeroast
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +hottop
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:26:40 +0000
Owen
What you said. Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself (particularly 
the
part about the audio!)
Phil, who has had a Hottop for 3 months and now tends to be more interested
in beans and blends .....
-----

70) From: Phil Jordan
Sorry Brian, no. I'm a Brit and not the guy you knew.

71) From: G. Shute
Yes, seems to be a lot of happy Hottop'ers.  Some folks have had to warranty repair  the roasters.  From what I hear Vineus requires the customer to pay for shipping both directions, even when under warranty.
 
That adds, depending on distance, about $40-80 for the cost of the unit, just for a single warranty repair.
 
What are yall's thoughts about this?
 
Most companies pay for at least the return shipping, and for a DOA unit, round trip shipping.
 
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72) From: Laurie Brown
On Wed, 21 May 2003, G. Shute wrote:
<Snip>
My thought is that if I purchase an item that requires warrenty repair 
that the manufacturer accepts as a defect, the shipping BOTH ways should 
be paid for by the manufacturer.  If the cost of shipping is too high a 
liability, then they should upgrade their manufacturing processes to 
reduce defects.
Laurie

73) From: Phil Jordan
What sort of warranty repairs? And what proportion of users are experiencing 
problems?
Myself, I've not had any problems whatsoever. I don't like the sound of the 
importer's attitude though - that wouldn't be legal here in the UK under 
consumer protection legislation, and the credit card companies would have 
something to say as well as they are jointly liable with the supplier under 
UK law.
All of which helps not a bit. Sorry.
Phil (roasting for three and a half months with Hottop in the UK)
On Wed, 21 May 2003 05:58:38 -0700 (PDT), G. Shute wrote
<Snip>

74) From: John Abbott
On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 08:17, Laurie Brown wrote:
    On Wed, 21 May 2003, G. Shute wrote:
    
    > Yes, seems to be a lot of happy Hottop'ers.  Some folks have had to warranty repair  the roasters.  From what I hear Vineus requires the customer to pay for shipping both directions, even when under warranty.
    >  
    > That adds, depending on distance, about $40-80 for the cost of the unit, just for a single warranty repair.
    >  
    > What are yall's thoughts about this?
    >  
    > Most companies pay for at least the return shipping, and for a DOA unit, round trip shipping.
    
    My thought is that if I purchase an item that requires warrenty repair 
    that the manufacturer accepts as a defect, the shipping BOTH ways should 
    be paid for by the manufacturer.  If the cost of shipping is too high a 
    liability, then they should upgrade their manufacturing processes to 
    reduce defects.
    
    Laurie
Let me jump in and say that the problem is not with Chang Yeu Industries
(hottop) but with Irene Lee at VineUSA (importer).  Irene has virtually
no business expereince with being the importer of record.   

75) From: MICHAEL GUTERMAN
I really want one of these.  I sort of go back to my earlier posts about an unsupported product, however.  I live on the east coast.  Two or three problems and I could end up with a thousand dollar roaster.  It actually is the fault of the manufacturer.  They chose the importer, and they signed the contract with them.  The cost for shipping from Hottop for Less is $60.  I do not consider a 500 dollar product to have a warranty if it costs me 100 dollars or so to have warranty work done.  I don't think these people are quite ready for prime time.

76) From: Tom & Maria
Just a heads up ... one of the stipulations if baratza ever backs the 
hottop is they are (and justly so) not going to deal with any 
parts/warranty issues from roasters they didn't sell. Its just a huge 
liability, considering the primitive early hottops, the way the drum 
was mounted, and cooling issues. But i am sure that under baratza you 
wouldnt be paying shipping on manufacturer defects!
No wry comments yet on the "making you life so easy" slogan!!!
-Tom
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            Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting  -  Tom & Maria
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                      http://www.sweetmarias.com

77) From: John Abbott
I love tearing into almost anything - so being an early adopter was
right up my alley.  But I have had a growing concern over the current
importers lack of experience with electronics and more especially with
coffee equipment. They sell wine and bar supplies in a walk-in
environment. This mean they can't get there from here - but I don't see
any evidence that they are trying.  Michael Anderson (where many bought
theirs) buys them 12 at a time from the importer - repackages them for
shipping and communicates with his customers directly.  In at least one
instance I know that Michael has paid the freight charges from his own
pocket to a customer of his.  What gives me the most pause is that Irene
Lee (importer sales) didn't even understand that the filter was made up
of a holder and a cloth.  She will only sell a new filter for $25. 
Chang Yeu Industries sells them for $5  - I would hate to see what her
charges would be for a replacement drive motor!
John
On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 12:24, Tom & Maria wrote:
    Just a heads up ... one of the stipulations if baratza ever backs the 
    hottop is they are (and justly so) not going to deal with any 
    parts/warranty issues from roasters they didn't sell. Its just a huge 
    liability, considering the primitive early hottops, the way the drum 
    was mounted, and cooling issues. But i am sure that under baratza you 
    wouldnt be paying shipping on manufacturer defects!
    
    No wry comments yet on the "making you life so easy" slogan!!!
    
    -Tom
    
    >On Wed, 21 May 2003, G. Shute wrote:
    >
    >>  Yes, seems to be a lot of happy Hottop'ers.  Some folks have had 
    >>to warranty repair  the roasters.  From what I hear Vineus requires 
    >>the customer to pay for shipping both directions, even when under 
    >>warranty.
    >> 
    >>  That adds, depending on distance, about $40-80 for the cost of the 
    >>unit, just for a single warranty repair.
    >> 
    >>  What are yall's thoughts about this?
    >> 
    >>  Most companies pay for at least the return shipping, and for a DOA 
    >>unit, round trip shipping.
    >
    >My thought is that if I purchase an item that requires warrenty repair
    >that the manufacturer accepts as a defect, the shipping BOTH ways should
    >be paid for by the manufacturer.  If the cost of shipping is too high a
    >liability, then they should upgrade their manufacturing processes to
    >reduce defects.
    >
    >Laurie
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78) From: espresso gin
If my HotTop breaks down more than once I will be on the doorstep of Vinous
with my arms out for a replacement.
They will gladly give me one, trust me.
gin

79) From: Martin Lipton
I was within a blink of ordering the Hottop.  But I just returned my Isomac
Venus, another machine that's not exactly new, but also not with a long
established performance record (although EXCELLENT post-sale service).
Seems that there just may be some design or component issues with the Venus
(please don't take my word on this).  So I'm a little nervous.  Since I live
close to Irvine CA, the location of Vineus (sp?), I called.  Spoke to Irene.
Irene sounded confident the way someone does when they are eager to agree
with whatever you say.  If I have a problem, do I bring it back to you?
Yes.  Do you repair the machine in your facility in Irvine?  Yes.  You
actually have technicians there who do the repairs?  Yes, they are here.
The more I liked these answers, the more nervous I got.  I don't think that
anyone should delay their gratification on the basis of my nervousness.
Personally, I'm going to wait until I hear more.
Martin

80) From: Bamboo Joe
<Snip>
Vinous
<Snip>
I love it when you talk like that.
:)))
Joe
Loving my HotTop too.

81) From: Ben Treichel
Hey Ginny,
I'd watch out for this guy!. His email addr lists him as a direct-pest. 
Sounds a little scary to me! And I'm not to thrilled with his reference 
to bamboo! ;-)
Bamboo Joe wrote:
<Snip>

82) From: Oaxaca Charlie
--- espresso gin  wrote:
<Snip>
 Will it be the cattle prod, or the branding iron that'll make
'em so glad to give it over? ;o)
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83) From: espresso gin
<Snip>
oh baby, baby...

84) From: espresso gin
<Snip>
The hot iron works without asking twice!
gin

85) From: espresso gin
<Snip>
sounds like my kinda guy!
gin

86) From: Ben Treichel
Ok. FYI, cattle prods don't phase me two much, but that hot iron; don't 
want to mess with it. BTW, generic, or your own brand?
espresso gin wrote:
<Snip>

87) From: G. Shute
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Mike:
In principal I agree with you.  However the warranty from Hottop is a manufacturers warranty.  Hottop does not have any direct relationship with its vendors regarding any of the warranty.  It appears that Hottop is doing what it wishes with the warranty and shipping issues, or at least trying.
If the vendor covers the product, like BestBuy, etc, I can agree to and understand that relationship, but none of the vendors do any warranty work as that is not allowed.  I think BestBuy requires the items to go to the manufacturer after 30 days, unless you purchase their extnded warranty,for a few hundred dollars.
So all Hottop warranty work is singular to Irvine, Calif.  In Calif, because it is a manufacturers warranty, the liability is the completely Hottop-Vineus.
I do believe that a vendor can try and backup or support it's customers, but that may not really solve the larger issue.  With Hottop I feel that the larger issue is like some earlier posts suggested, lack of experience in this market, and not wanting to take the real burden of the warranty.  The parts are likely normally going to be cheaper than the round trip shipping, would be my guess.
G S
I agree with Ginny for the most part.  I think the one month or never applies more to electronics than items with moving parts and 400 plus degree operating temperatures.  I really want a good, responsive vendor.  In truth, I tend to consider the person I buy from to be responsible for service.  I need a very strong reason (like I really really want it and there is no other way to get it) to deal with anyone who tells me to deal with the manufacturer or distributer.  I can just see the Toyota dealer telling me to ship my MR2 back to Japan, or even Toyota USA for service.  In the coffee business I deal with Tom and Todd, and I am not worried at all about service on anything they sell.  Anyone (I can't) interested in setting up a New England Hottop dealership?
 
Michael
espresso gin  wrote:
With all of these posts about service on the HotTop I must comment:
If I had to be worried about service all of the time I would never buy
anything! Most companies have garbage service and do not want to deal with
the inevitable service issue.
One of the reasons I deal with local folks/small companies when I can is
that even though it is more costly for them to deal with a service issue,
they do!
Everything breaks or wears out and it will usually happen in the first 30
days or never! I have 28 days left on my will it break or continue to work
theory so I will let you all know.
I bet if I had a "bad bag of beans" from Tom and Maria they would send me
another right away. They want our business and their service is GREAT! They
must be more cautious in terms of the appliances they sell since they will
be the business responsible for th e purchase.
I love technology, the HotTop is way cool, looks cool and does a wonderful
roast...so far!
ginny

88) From: Brooklynne
Can any of you knowledgeable Hottop users tell me if one is able to roast 
smaller amounts of beans at a time...I don't always need to do 1/2 pound 
roasts. Or to get good results is it necessary to do the 1/2 pound thing?
Thanks for any info.
Brooklynne

89) From: Rick Farris (home)
You *could* do it, but unless you did a lot of them (sort of missing the
whole point of small batches) you'd probably get uneven results.
Why not get a popcorn popper for small batches?
-- Rick

90) From: Bob Yellin
I've been going back and forth between 250-gram batches (recommended by
Hottop) and 200-gram batches. The smaller batch size knocks a couple of
minutes off the total time to reach a desired roast level. 
For example, I roasted some Yirg 4452 in both batch sizes. The 250g load
took 15min 15sec to 1st crack @ 398F and the 200g batch took 12min 28sec to
1st crack at the same temperature. I measure everything while roasting -
voltage input, bean temps, etc. and stop the roast manually when color,
temperature and smell indicate the roast level I'm targeting. 
I haven't been able to discern any difference in visuals, evenness of roast
or cup taste between the two batch sizes. The only difference I notice is
that the smaller size is more sensitive to the environment in the drum and
because the process *seems* to be going faster (actually the temp ramp
around 1st crack is about the same), I have to be more attentive and make
sure I hit that eject button at exactly the right time.
I haven't tried smaller batch sizes than the above and I'm not sure that I
will - not that it can't be done - but from what I've seen, the smaller the
size, the less control you have. And for me, 200g is about the least
control for which I'm willing to settle. Besides, the roasted beans from
the 200g batch size fit perfectly in two small mason jars.
Bob Yellin
<Snip>

91) From: Scott Jensen
Recieved my hottop today as well and I must say it is a big mother!  It just
doesn't look that large in the photos, but it's a solid built, massive
machine.
I did one roast of the Kenya Mewiga and the performance was precise and
impressive.  Very quiet too and not as much smoke as I expected.  Just out
of personal curiosity I did measure temps of 382F on the case!
Scott Jensen

92) From: Ed Needham
I'm wondering what kind of differences you are going to report over time
comparing the Hottop with your Sonofresco (Syd and Jerry's) air roaster (now
departed).
*******************************
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93) From: Gene Smith
<Snip>
(now
<Snip>
Me, too.  I love the Sonofresco because I really, really like to see the
beans as they are roasting.  I know that may sound silly, but I can't help
it.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

94) From: John Abbott
Umm Gene,  the HotTop has a viewing port where you can see the beans 
roasting - to get a true picture you need bright light, but tis there.
On Friday 07 May 2004 10:24 am, Gene Smith wrote:
<Snip>

95) From: DJ Garcia
John Abbott said "the HotTop has a viewing port where you can see the
beans roasting - to get a true picture you need bright light".
Indeed, and a nice flashlight does a great job. It's part of my roasting
equipment, along with my Tablet PC.
DJ
Wondering what to roast tomorrow ...

96) From: Jean
Why would that sound silly?  Oven doors have windows, nukers have =
windows, we draw into clear shot glasses, etc.  I think being able to =
observe is an important part of cooking for most of us.
JMO,
Jean

97) From: Gene Smith
<Snip>
Umm...fellas, isn't that sort of like watching a ballgame through a knothole
in the fence?  I know you can see well enough with your flashlight to get
visual roasting cues, but I meant *see* the roast...you know, like 'center
stage,' 'the big event.'  I wasn't just talking about getting roasting
information, I'm talking about entertainment.  Being able to watch the beans
roast, without peering through a hole with a flashlight, is what I meant.
Gene Smith
riding the wild learning curve, in Houston

98) From: John Abbott
No, not really.  I can see my beans all the time.  If I want to get a 
good look, then I can shine a light into the chamber.  Remember a 
couple of things Gene  1) I'm roasting 1/2+ pounds at a time -  and it 
wouldn't be possible to see any more of the beans because of mass if I 
were using your machine.   2) color is only a visual cue and not a 
control factor for most of us - who use sound and smell as control 
factors.    
It would be like me saying your machine was like digging a canal with a 
spoon because your volume is less - or a Wok roaster saying that they 
couldn't imagine only seeing the 20% of the beans that are present on 
the glass - and just as absurd.   We can all find justification for 
every roasting method - and be correct.    For the cost I could have 
had any other small roaster on the market - so obviously I picked the 
HotTop for its attributes as they appeared to my way of 
thinking/roasting. 
John - loving life in the slow lane
On Saturday 08 May 2004 03:12 pm, Gene Smith wrote:
<Snip>

99) From: DJ Garcia
Gene, sorry to have to tell you this, but there's nothing more exciting
and entertaining than watching stuff by "peering through a hole with a
flashlight". It gives it that forbidden, mysterious edge that excites
and stimulates ... I also find it forces you to pay closer attention
because you've narrowed your field of view.
My interpretation - your own may vary, of course :-)
DJ
The Coffee Pervert

100) From: bob
And if he don't believe that, go back and watch parts of Porky's again....
Bob

101) From: Barbara Greenspon
Well, I did it.  Just ordered the HotTop.  I was wistfully looking at 
the page again, telling my husband that I was getting closer to 
ordering it, and he reminded me that I could roast the coffee we serve 
at work, and soon the hottop would pay for itself!  What a cool husband 
I have.  So ..........  now I just have to wait.  I am so excited.
Great day.
Barbara

102) From: AlChemist John
:-}
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103) From: Scott Jensen
Welcome to the twilight zone Barbara!  I've not had time go so slowly since
I was was a kid waiting for Dad to finish his coffee on Christmas morning.
That truck will seem like it's crawling to Minnesota in first gear.
Scott
Another new HT owner
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104) From: alfred
Congratulations:
You're gonna love it! Be sure to pass on  some of your roast results as you
enjoy your new toy.

105) From: Wandering John
Congratulations Barbara!  You're gonna love it!  Please share your 
journey with the list. Its such a kick to see people discover really 
great coffee.
John - loving life in the slow lane
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106) From: gin
you made the right  (left) decision Barbara, you will love your choice.
ginny
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107) From: Jeffrey Pawlan
As some of you know, I designed and built several prototypes of a computer
controlled roaster using the HotTop (www.computercontrolledroaster.com).
As a result I have run perhaps 700 roasts to date. I have just a couple of
comments that might assist you.  I stopped using the paper filter after 20
roasts and switched to one I made using all metal which includes a stainless
screen with 200 mesh. I can say that it allows more smoke to pass through than
the paper filter but is also allows more airflow.  This turns out to be a very
good thing. Just roast outside or as I do, roast indoors by placing large
cutting boards on top of your stove and use a good stove hood with powerful
exhaust fans. In my program, I turn on the fan in the HotTop all of the time.
This really does improve the speed and the evenness of the roast!
S far as the chaff goes, this is a problem with most commercial sample roasters
also. The usual way it is separated is by blowing air through it. Then the chaff
goes all over the floor.  My conclusion is that I would rather do the
roasting and cleaning than live with commercially roasted coffee. Life always
has tradeoffs.
Regards,
Jeffrey Pawlan

108) From: DJ Garcia
After 15 or so roasts I take the filter apart, remove the paper part,
wash the foam part with coffee cleaner like Urnex and reuse it. Works
better than with the paper, probably for the reasons Jeffrey explains. I
do that until the foam filter starts falling apart :-).
I have also begun loading the coffee not when it beeps (digital temp
readout around 170 F) but about 1:45 minutes or so (digital temp readout
around 240 F). I like the roast better and seems to go a bit faster.
Cheers,
DJ

109) From: dave
Just finished my first 4 roasts today on the new HotTop. Fantastic  
smell and even better coffee to be had.
I NOW I have an iRoast2 up for sale for 140.00 plus shipping. It has  
about 15 roasts on it and is in 100% working order.

110) From: Mike Chester
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Before Christmas, I mentioned that I was expecting my family to get me =
the upgrade kit to the new controller for my Hottop.  Well, they didn't =
get it. They did, however, give me money and SM gift certificates to use =
towards its purchase.  Unfortunately, Tom does not sell the upgrade =
kits; only the complete roasters so I can't use the gift certificates to =
get the kit.  As a result, I have decided to try to sell my existing =
Hottop and buy a new one from Tom.  It has the digital control panel and =
I will also include an analog panel, a spare power supply/main board, =
and a rewashed spare rear filter.  The PS/Main board works with the A or =
D panels.  I would like to get $450 for it.  Write me off list if =
interested.
Mike Chester

111) From: javafool
I have been roasting with a pair of HotTops for several years, the first
coming from SM right after they were released to the public for sale. I
would guess if you did not clean the chaff from the roaster on a regular
basis, there could be a fire. But that would be the fault of the owner, not
the HotTop. 
I did buy mine before the controls got so elaborate that the price became
unaffordable for an even larger group of roasters. What happened to the
option for more basic controls and a lower price tag? They are great
roasters and I use mine every two or three days with nothing but wonderful
coffee, no fires.
--mike, after a year or so the heating element will probably bow and you
will get the opportunity to take your HotTop apart to see how it works.
Carol, good luck in your quest and don't be afraid of buying a HotTop for
fear of a fire!
Terry (javafool)
From: "Mike Koenig" 
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] Newbie to List
To: homeroast,
	heislord
I got a HotTop this year, and love it. It's the first homeroasting device
I've owned that I haven't had the desire to take apart and try to make
better.  The biggest downside is the price.  (My history is a Hearthware
Precision, IRoast, homemade grill drum, and now the HotTop).  It has a nice
window that lets you see the progress of the roast, and a great deal of
control.
Online reviews need to be considered carefully.   They sometimes get
spammed by competitors.
--mike
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112) From: Bruce Garley
This may be a dumb question, but why would you buy a 1/2# capacity Hottop
for almost 3x the money of a 1# capacity Behmor?
(I expect this is a loaded question, please be compassionate in your
replies.)
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113) From: Barry Luterman
More flexibility in profiles better cooling (no overshoot in roasting) Very
well built they have been around a while with low frequency of repair.
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114) From: MikeG
If Hottop were fitted with a heat & timer knob like Gene Cafe at $650
it would surely be sitting in my Garage now.
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115) From: miKe mcKoffee
Indeed the HotTop 'B' does not have analog knob control of heat or air flow,
it does however have digital ability to adjust target time, target temp, fan
speed and heater power on the fly any time during the roast. (Well, probably
not while cooling which is part of the roast process:-) AND it has the
capability to save up to 3 previously run roasts that can later be run
automatically. 
PS, Hey Javafool, good to hear from you! Indeed the older of the two HT's I
was hammering hard the heating element did begin to sag and actually rub
against the drum. I bent it back so it didn't rub, dozen or so batches it'd
rub again, bend it back again etc. I'd ordered 'bout every spare part but
never did make find the time to replace the element. It kept roasting batch
after batch (after batch after batch hour after hour after hour...) like I
needed so it wasn't an emergency and that's all I had time to deal with.
Sent the new element with when I sold the one CCR HT. (With full disclosure
of course.)
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116) From: miKe mcKoffee
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117) From: Barry Luterman
That's starting to happen to mine too. Guess it's time to order a new
element. This thing is built like a ceramic defecatory. I guess after 20
years I will have to take it out in the back yard and shoot it.
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118) From: MikeG
Good points.   I'm not advanced enough as a home roaster to know how
to implement those controls correctly.
A specific question for this post:  I'd like to have someone explain
how one can manipulate fan speed to benefit the roast.
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119) From: raymanowen
"I have been roasting with a pair of HotTops for several years, the first
coming from SM right after they were released to the public for sale....
after a year or so the heating element will probably bow and you will get
the opportunity to take your HotTop apart to see how it works."
Oh, My Goodness-
Why don't I have a Pair of these machines?
It's exactly what I have thought for a long time: Three bread machines, a
heat gun, (my bad- I don't have the second HG as a spare. The original
Wagner is past its 24 month warranty period. Amn!) And the furnace blower
and colander as my Grand Slam cooler.
Still got change from a C-note for all the roasting and cooling stuff. The
HG is readily available, so I really don't need a spare on the shelf. The
blower was brand new for $2, and if they last only ten years in normal
service, the thirty second cooling stretches won't add up too fast. Maybe it
only lasts a year. At 30 seconds per blow, it might expire in 56 years!
Cheers, Mabuhay and Magandang Umaga -RayO, aka Opa!
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120) From: Barry Luterman
This response will also answer the question about fire in the Hot-Top There
are factory safety features built into the Hot-Top.
For the KN-8828-B
1. If the heat in the chamber reaches 356 deg F within 8:30 min. It will
beep if the operator doesn't hit any button it will dump the beans
2. Same will occur at 410 deg F
3 At 428 deg the beans will dump automatically
For the KN-8828P
1. It will beep at 374 deg F
2 Again at 410
3 And dump automatically at 431.
To answer your question the fan should be used in later stages of the roast.
the fan should come on (low speed) at or about first crack to remove the
chaff. In the later segments of time the fan speed should increase so as to
assure the temperatures in the drum do not hit the critical levels.
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121) From: Cameron Forde
I think that Jeffrey Pawlan would say that the fan should always be on
to remove undesirable flavours from smoke in the roast chamber based
on the taste tests he has done.  I haven't done any comparative
tastings, and I use the fan as part of the temperature control.  I
leave the fan off for the early stages of the roast to maximize the
ramp rate.  Just as first crack is starting I increase the fan to help
slow the momentum by pulling some of the heat out of the roast
chamber.  This is also when I start dialing down the power to the
heater.  I may be sacrificing some quality, but it means that I can
routinely run 300 g batches compared to the lower batch size that is
possible if the fan is on for the whole roast (200g? or 250g?).  I
have managed a roast at 350 g, but there is very little profile
control with that mass (kind of like steering an ocean liner).
Cameron
(over 700 roasts and no fires)
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122) From: MikeG
That helps a great deal.   Thank you for the info
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124) From: Barry Luterman
Viewing the roast in a Hot-top is easy. However replacing the drum can be
difficult for the visually challenged. However, the drum has to only be
removed and re-inserted after every 5th roast and your husband will be able
to help.
For a dark roast I use the following profile:
 Used for dark Type 20 sec into 2nd crack
Segment    Time    Temp    Fan
1                    2        245        off
2                    1:30    291        off
3                    2:30    333        off
4                    1:30    351        off
5                    1:30    369        off
6                    2:00    392        2
7                    2:00    400        2
8                    3:00    405        2
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125) From: Zara Haimo
You can see the beans on the Hottop, but I find that doesn't really help me 
that much as it's hard to see the color and even the smoothness of the beans 
that accurately through the glass. Oils/smoke tend to obscure the glass a 
little almost immediately even when starting a roast with a freshly cleaned 
window.  I tend to go by the sound of the cracks, the smell, the smoke, and 
the temperature readout (I have the model with the digital display).  The 
temperature isn't necessarily an accurate reading of the true temperature of 
the beans, but it is consistent from roast to roast.  I know what the 
temperature reading should be when the beans just barely into 2nd and only 
monitor the beans closely for the last 5 minutes or so of each roast as they 
get near that temperature.  The Hottop won't run away from you like the 
FreshRoast.  From start to finish including cooling, a roast is more likely 
to run 25-30 minutes and you don't need to monitor it except at the end of 
the roast cycle.  I usually set my Hottop for 21 minutes of roasting time 
and rarely need to stop a roast before 19 minutes.  The Hottop is built like 
a tank - great roaster!
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126) From: MikeG
I think you made a great choice Carol.  If I can "get happy" with the
Behmor my itch for another roaster will diminish.  Otherwise I think a
hottop is in my future.
Enjoy the journey!
Mike
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127) From:
The used Hottop I purchased on Craig's list arrived last week (kn-8828)
and in good shape. So I completely took it a
part,cleaned,inspected,replaced both filters. Loaded it up with 225 grams
IMV,and watched coffee roast WOW I can really  see what the those little
green guys go through to become brown (my main and the only roaster I have
ever used the Behmor).I didn't keep track of time just watched :-) then
dumped after 1st crack was winding down, most of the chaff came out with
the beans not much in the chaff tray at all. Very nice even C roast. I
have a couple of questions           1.The 7 temp levels are they actual
temp. ramps or just full power and time levels?                           
                                  2.normal for most of the chaff the exit
with  beans?                      3.I paid $250.00 for the roaster it has
roasted a lot of coffee but it cleaned up very nicely and has no
operational problems that I can see. Is it worth the $200.00 to upgrade to
a B ? or just (hint hint) look for a discarded D control panel. Happy
Roasting  Ray T.
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128) From: Barry Luterman
Each upgrade is worth it. However, only you can determine if it is worth it
to you. The question is: Just how much individual control do you want over
the roast? The one you have now is, more or less, set it and forget it.
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129) From: Leo Zick
The b is the best of all panels I have and have used all too.
Frustrating since the p should be best, but you can't change
parameters mid roast, so its worthless :(
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130) From: Barry Luterman
You certainly can change parameters mid-roast with a P
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131) From: Leo Zick
P is the programmable, with the fancy colors, right?
That's the one I'm talking of, at least.
Once I start a roast, that's it, you can only end it early.
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132) From: Barry Luterman
No during the roast you can use the directional arrows to increase or
decrease heat or move on to the next segement
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133) From: Leo Zick
odd, doesnt work for me.
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134) From: Barry Luterman
Are you Sure you have the P look at the number on the programming section
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135) From: Leo Zick
i have all panels.  ill have to swap and try again, but im pretty sure there
is not a full manual over ride
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136) From: Barry Luterman
Remember to remove the shorting clip on the panel before installing
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137) From: Dhananjaya
My programmable panel works as Barry explained - but keep in mind if your
original temp ia already maxed out for that segment, you can only decrease
it.
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138) From: Barry Luterman
or move to the next segement
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139) From: wanda shavis
I have been roasting with an I roast for about 5 years, basically wore  
it out. Just go the new Hottop. I have
done about 10 roast on it. I am still using the Auto setting.
My question what should I change if anything for roasting decafs?  
Thanks for any help provided.
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140) From: Cameron Forde
Hi Wanda,
I've found that decafs roast a little faster in the hottop than the  
regular beans. One of the solutions I've tried is to roast a larger  
batch of the decaf so that I can use the same profile. My regular  
batches are 300 g and I  roast 350 g of decaf with a very similar  
profile. I will add that I once tried to roast a blend of regular and  
decaf, and I recommend post-roast blending for half-caf blends.
Cameron
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141) From: raymanowen
"...what should I change if anything for roasting decafs?"
You might start out with a decaffeinated sample of a variety you already
like  and roast successfully. Start with everything the same as for
non-decaf beans. (volume, settings) Monitor the roast progress, and note
that decaffeinated beans start out looking somewhat roasted already.
I don't know how much clatter the tumbling beans make in your Big Top, but
if you can't hear the cracks, try to match the time and settings for a
normal roast, as before. Then let your palate be your guide.
Cheers, Mabuhay und Magandang Gabi -RayO, aka Opa!
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