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Topic: Another Grinder Question (20 msgs / 497 lines)
1) From: Steve Shank
Marc,
I normally make 1 cup of coffee at a time using a swiss gold or french pr=
ess
 Occassionally a paper drip. There is no problem. I place the beans in th=
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grinder and it grinds them through. I use a hand grinder (Trespade) most =
of
the time and use my Solis when making more than 1 cup.
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2) From:
I am beginning to become convinced that I need a burr grinder from reading posts
lately about their merits over a whirly blade. Here is what I am wondering: I
generally made only one cup of brewed coffee a day (either vac, drip or French
press), using two-three coffee scoops of beans. In making such a small quanitiy
am I going to lose an excessive amount of coffee to the grinder or can you
easily clean out all that you grind as with a whirly blade?
Thanks,
Marc
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3) From: Jim Friedlander
a good burr grinder such as the Solis Maestro loses NO coffee to the
grinder.  The chute always stays clean and I've never had any leftover
grounds in the grinder.  YMMV
jim

4) From: Bob Trancho
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Marc,
Depending on the day, I might make a pot on the morning and then 2-3
single cups with my french press or swissgold filter during the day.  I
don't keep any beans in the hopper of my Solis Maestro.  I just measure
or weight out the quantity of beans to grind for that batch of coffee,
dump in the beans and grind that batch.
The Maestro leaves virtually nothing behind. The coffee drops almost
vertically into the hopper. I clean it out with a brush once in a while.
I guess I'll open it up for a good cleaning every few months, but I
haven't gotten to that point yet.
Bob Trancho
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5) From: Henry C. Davis
Same thing for the Bodum Antigua

6) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Bob Trancho" 
 The Maestro leaves virtually nothing behind. The coffee drops almost
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Ditto both Bob & Jim on the Maestro leaving virtually zero grinds in chute.
A HUGE improvement over the Solis Mulino 177... I find the Maestro near
perfect. It's 18 step adjustment makes it very flexible from French Press to
Turkish super fine grind. Though I'm finding for super fine tuning espresso
a stepless infinite adjustment would be beneficial. Still it's more than
adequate for my espresso needs (at this time with limited counter space!)
MM;-)
Home Roasting in Vancouver, WA USA
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7) From: jim gundlach
On Friday, May 3, 2002, at 07:53 AM,  wrote:
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You sound like a good candidate for a Zasenhause hand operated grinder.  
Easy to keep  clean and it helps occupy your time while the water is 
heating.  If you want an electric, the Solis Maestro has a short path 
and does not collect grounds to get stale.
      Jim Gundlach
       roasting over pecan wood fires
       in La Place, Alabama
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8) From: John - In Deep Southern Texas
Not that Jim ever needs a second, but I'd agree with him.  I love my Zass
169 (covered hopper) And with all the coffee gear in my kitchen it seems to
garner the most comments.  It has an antique look about it that says "Coffee
the old fashioned way."  And it is an incredible grinder, will make talcum
if asked.

9) From: JB Christy
My Maestro holds on to just over 1 gram, which is 8-12 beans depending on
varietal and roast.
I was curious about this myself because I can taste the last pot's coffee in the
current pot.  If I have a really bright coffee, like the Kenya decaf or the CR
La Minita, then have a Yemen next, I can taste the brightness from the previous
pot's grind.  [BTW, 1 pot's worth of Yemen Mocca Raimi with 9 beans' worth of
last night's Kenya decaf is *fabulous*!]  Being a rather anal, er, um, detail
oriented gal, I measured:
First I cleaned the heck out of my grinder: disassembled everything and got in
there with a brush, a Q-tip and a vacuum cleaner to get out every list bit.
Then I measured out 1 Yama pot's worth of beans, which for me is 26 grams.  My
scale only reads in whole grams, so I carefully added the last few beans until
the very last bean pushed it up to 26g.  I ground the beans to my normal vac pot
grind (3 clicks left of the drip icon), and then weighed the grounds.  The scale
said 24g, which, given the 1g readout of the scale, meant I could've lost
between 1.01 and 2 grams.  So I started adding beans.  The first bean pushed it
to 25g, which meant I'd lost closer to 1g than 2g; the 9th bean pushed it to
26g.  So I'd lost ~9 beans worth of coffee, or about 1.1g.  FTR, I was using CR
La Minita, which is a large-ish bean, roasted to City, which is heavier per bean
than the darker roasts.  If you were using an FC/Vienna roasted Yemen, 1.1g is
probably ~12 beans.  (Actually, you might lose more of the darker roasted beans,
since they're more oily and may stick more.)
Note that you only actually lose the grounds on the first grind after cleaning.
Thereafter some of the grounds just stay stuck in the nooks and crannies, and
some of yesterday's grind gets pushed into today's pot.  [Anyone know how to
measure how much actually gets pushed through?]  But on the second and
subsequent grinds, 26g in should give you 26g out; otherwise your grinder would
eventually fill up!  When I really care about every last bit, like when I'm
tasting my very first roast of a new bean, I'll grind ~10 beans to push out the
stale grounds, throw the grinds away, then grind for my actual brew.  But mostly
I just live with a little bit of yesterday's coffee in today's pot -- it adds a
touch more mystery to the flavor.
Have fun!
--JB
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10) From: jay hobaugh
Hi there everyone again this is steve, new roaster, new to fine coffee ect, ect, a couple of questions has anyone ever heard of de-pe box mill? a hand cranked coffee grinder similar looking to zass, does anyone know if the burr is good in this? I am asking cause I just bought it on ebay. This is my very first ebay purchase ever, and just in case this one sucks I am also the current high bidder on a "fassenhause" pepper mill. another question if someone ground pepper in this will it affect the taste of the coffee, I have read on the archives that fass is a zass, true? I talked with a nice gentleman from some distributor and he assured me that zass would be here in the USA by the end of the year. but I want one now (sound familiar anyone? )I have a horrible problem of always wanting more and never being satisfied. I also saw a pe-de on ebay and I was also wondering if this was made with the nice burrs or just cast iron burrs? anyone out there know for sure? I read on the
 archives that someone on these lists has a pe-de and is very happy with it. (jared maybe? I cant remember) on a side note I scored 2 filter cones for .25 cents and two popcorn pumpers 1200 & 1400 watt both pumpers for 4 $ to replace my poppery II if and when it stops working. they had just sold a box mill, I missed it by 3 days at the thrift store.
  thanks for any help with my questions.
  Steve in indiana
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11) From: Brett Mason
The Pepper Mill will be much finer than a coffee mill.  I own both.
Yes a Fass is a mis-read Zass.  The Pepper is great, but make sure you
want a pepper mill before you up the bid....
I find the Trosser to be very similar to the Zass in craftsmanship and
performance.  I believe the other older German grinders will have
similar performance...
If the antique German grinder is NEW and MADE IN TAIWAN then all bets
are off....
Cheers,
Brett
Once you get a Zass, and look at the handle, you'll immediately understand why.
On 8/3/06, jay hobaugh  wrote:
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Regards,
Brett Mason
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   Zassman

12) From: jim gundlach
On Aug 3, 2006, at 2:58 PM, jay hobaugh wrote:
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Zassenhause makes a great pepper mill.  I would not use it for coffee  
except in an emergency.  For one thing it takes a long time to grind  
even a small amount.  Fassenhause is caused by people not being able  
to read formal German script and they think the Z is an F.  It means  
the seller does not know grinders.
Jim Gundlach

13) From: Les
Great to see you posting again Pecan Jim.  Great work over the summer.
 The latest scandal on the football team in your state of origin,
Oklahoma, certainly has put an exclamation mark on this whole issue.
Looking forward to some more of your coffee insights.
Les
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14) From: jim gundlach
Thanks Les, it will be good to start paying attention to coffee  
again.  For the past couple of months I've been roasting when out,  
cooling, grinding, and brewing without resting. And I have this  
Andreja to connect to a filtered water supply and tune.  Had large  
pecan limb come down from one of the trees last night.  Lots of  
roasting fires in that baby.
         Pecan Jim
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15) From: raymanowen
"...the seller does not know grinders."
Isn't that the definition of eBay? That's the caveat for the other party in
the transaction- the buyer.
Ask questions, ask for pictures if you can't form a realistic picture in
your mind from the facets described by the seller. What could the bad
surprises be? Ask specifically.
If, "I have no knowlege of that," Heraus mit dem hände hoch! Forget it an=
d
let others learn the hard way.
-- 
"When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Might=
y
Wichita (ex-NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976

16) From: jay hobaugh
I pulled the trigger on it anyway. I just couldnt wait. here is the link if anyone wants to look at the "fassenhaus" I think it looks like a knee grinder myself. I will tell everyone once I get it how it works and all.and if it is a zass or a fass :-)
 http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-PEPPER-MILL-SPICE-MILL-FASSENHAUS-WOODEN_W0QQitemZ190015666116QQihZ009QQcategoryZ20645QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem  like I said it looks like a zass knee grinder to me.
  Steve
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17) From: Brett Mason
That's not a pepper mill, it's a coffee mill.  Very similar to my
Fassenhaus 499.
Regards,
Brett
  Zassman
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Regards,
Brett Mason
 HomeRoast
   Zassman

18) From: jim gundlach
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It is the knee grinder.  I have one and it is my favorite Zass.  The  
main reason I like it most is that the bottom end  of the rotating  
burr shaft is secured.  It just does not make sense to me that you  
can get an even grind from a grinder that lets the bottom of the  
rotating burr shaft wobble around.  I'll admit that I don't have  
empirical evidence to support this but in this case I went with my  
feeling and gave the wobbling shaft Zasses to children and friends.
      Pecan Jim
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grinder that lets the bottom of the rotating burr shaft wobble around.  =
I'll admit that I don't have empirical evidence to support this but in =
this case I went with my feeling and gave the wobbling shaft Zasses to =
children and friends.     Pecan Jim
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2006, at 3:11 AM, jay hobaugh wrote:
I = pulled the trigger on it anyway. I just couldnt wait. here is the link = if anyone wants to look at the "fassenhaus" I think it looks like a knee = grinder myself. I will tell everyone once I get it how it works and = all.and if it is a zass or a fass :-) http://cgi.ebay.com/GERMAN-PEPPER-MILL-SPICE-MILL-FASSENHAUS-W=OODEN_W0QQitemZ190015666116QQihZ009QQcategoryZ20645QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1= QQcmdZViewItem like I said it looks like a zass knee = grinder to me. Steve       =
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19) From: Michael Wascher
Jeez ... so how do I become your friend? And I'm long past being a child,
but could work on being childish more often!
BTW: Have you seen today's Tank McNamara?http://news.yahoo.com/comics/tankmcnamara(apologies if you've already been inundated with copies).
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20) From: Jared Andersson
Jay I do have a PeDe grinder that is likely pretty old and love it.  This
may seem hard to believe but it does a much better job than my brothers 2
year old Zass.  I am sorry I missed this original post on 8-3-06 but hope
you got the PeDe and love it.  I can find almost no info online about it.
Jared
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