It is your loss if you do not buy from Tom and Maria. They are, bar none, the best vendors I have ever dealt with in years of online and phone purchases. If you don't want to be on the list, don't. (also your loss IMHO) That is no reason to cut your nose off. Tom posts a wealth of information you can use on the site without ever participating in the list. He offers the best beans at reasonable prices intended not only to make a living for himself and to explore all the best coffee he can find, but to sustain good coffee production practices and small farms. I have been online, almost continuously, since the seventies. You seriously need to get a thicker skin and a better understanding of the English language. It would not hurt to brush up on some common colloquialisms so that you avoid misunderstandings. That you would be so upset someone pointed out that to assume makes and ass of you and me indicates some problem in either experience or command of the language. That you would expect an absence of humor on such a list either suggests a lack of a sense of humor or a total failure to understand the development, history, conventions and traditions of online discussions. While you may have found the flippant responses to your post annoying or misdirected, that did NOT justify your attacking response unless you wished to have a significant rejoinder that was less than polite. You insulted the group for misunderstanding your assumptions which, as was pointed out, are not in accord with the ordinary meaning of "common sense" and your message below seems to indicate you still do not understand that the first mistake was your own and your response to the misunderstandings was tantamount to a declaration of war. (An obvious hyperbolism, your response merely invited dispute and derision.) Humor, for your information, is a time honored and entirely appropriate activity in online discussions, even ones about serious life and death issues. Humor is not a negation of important thought or serious response to issues. Often humor, particularly ironic humor, is as instructive as detailed serious response, provided the person reading it understands the humor involved. Email communication can easily be misunderstood, and this has been noted and accounted for in online communication since before there were computers smaller than automobiles. It is usually wise when confronted with responses to a comment that might appear hurtful in some way to consider that response as possibly humorous or elliptically referring to something not within your own experience. There is always time to make a stinging rebuke later if one is appropriate and you wish to proceed that way, but making one in response to humor or a comment you simply do not understand is both inappropriate and counter-productive. While your responses thus far do not make me sanguine you will take my advice or find any illumination in it, I wish you well and suggest you continue to deal with Tom and Maria despite what you consider to be churlish behavior toward you on the list. ---Henry.
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<Snip> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. Dear diy¹er This (hopefully) last Email from you went into my Œtoo hard file¹ until I decided whether to just ignore you or respond I am sure most people on this list think the first option is the clever thing to do but I have decided to respond. Looking back over your posts about grinding your green beans, etc, I can only find considered responses from people on this list. You created your own problems when you very patronisingly and childishly replied with references to (according to you) our lack of common sense and the lack of being able to assume things. We cannot be expected to know what is going o= n in your mind hence our inability to assume every little thing. Surely when you wrote this response you must have expected some sort of come back from people? You claim to have found a wonderful coffee board where you feel comfortable (I wonder if you are making this up as you go along though) - if this is th= e case and you feel so confident and happy there, why the need to nit pick back at us? I think you have some serious lack of self esteem problems to deal with and I really do hope you can overcome them. I have only been on this list for about one year and started off with a bunch of red coffee cherries delivered to my door by a friend with no idea of what to do with them! Thanks to everyone here, I found out what to do with them and have made some valuable friends along the way. You have missed out on so much friendship and information by your attitudes you really do have no one to blame but yourself. On a happier note even your annoying Email diy¹er cannot dampen my day as it is the F.A.Cup Final (that is proper football played with the round ball= ) today and my team ARSENAL is in it! Have a good weekend all.. Wendy, Coffee Culprit Not Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road Pomponette Mauritius Island Tel/ans/fax (230) 6257399 Mobile (230) 2560182
--Apple-Mail-1--733647113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset NDOWS-1252; format=flowed On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin = wrote: <Snip> until <Snip> people <Snip> I have not responded to diy'er's postings because I have concluded they = are not genuine. There are just too many too far fetched claims to be = believed. First she indicated that she talked to some friends who had = bad experiences with this group. The number of people who have been on = this list over the past two or three years is relatively small and they = are widely distributed across the world. The odds against having some = friends who experienced the list is just too high to be believed. Second, the description of the character of this list just does not fit, = Tom has rarely had to tone things down. Multiply the probability that = one person would have friends who experienced the list and that their experience would be as diyh'er described would result in a value of p that would require several digits in scientific notation. Multiply that = by the probability that someone inexperienced in roasting coffee could = roast a good coffee after grinding the beans first. Anyway you get the = point. I concluded early on that diy'er was someone who just enjoyed stirring = things up. Jim Gundlach roasting over pecan wood fires in La Place, Alabama --Apple-Mail-1--733647113 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/enriched; charset NDOWS-1252 On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin wrote: Lucida GrandeDear diy’er This (hopefully) last Email from you went into my ‘too hard file’ until I decided whether to just ignore you or respond – I am sure most people on this list think the first option is the clever thing to do but I have decided to respond. Lucida Grande < I have not responded to diy'er's postings because I have concluded they are not genuine. There are just too many too far fetched claims to be believed. First she indicated that she talked to some friends who had bad experiences with this group. The number of people who have been on this list over the past two or three years is relatively small and they are widely distributed across the world. The odds against having some friends who experienced the list is just too high to be believed. Second, the description of the character of this list just does not fit, Tom has rarely had to tone things down. Multiply the probability that one person would have friends who experienced the list and that their experience would be as diyh'er described would result in a value of p that would require several digits in scientific notation. Multiply that by the probability that someone inexperienced in roasting coffee could roast a good coffee after grinding the beans first. Anyway you get the point. I concluded early on that diy'er was someone who just enjoyed stirring things up. Jim Gundlach roasting over pecan wood fires in La Place, Alabama = --Apple-Mail-1--733647113-- homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Re: My turnWendy, Well said!!! I really enjoyed your struggle with the fresh beans in the = flesh that those of us who live out of the zone where coffee grows, and = I will never have that experience. Your shared a special time with us = and your willingness to be open to a group of people so far from you was = special! My wife knows that if I could grow a coffee tree in my yard, = we would be harvesting our own. Tree to cup what an experience!!! I = played real football "round ball" in high school and college. It is a = fantastic game. I used to get Aussie football on the tube and enjoyed = it more than American football too!!! I was only dumb enough once to = play rugby!!! I enjoy soccer too! I can't understand why Americans = don't like it more as it is much like hockey in its overall form of = play. Well, I have gotten way off topic for this group. Les
On 5/7/02 6:37, "Les & Becky" wrote: <Snip> Thank you Les! I am happy to report that the seven coffee trees are loaded with green berries and some are just starting to turn red so it will be back to cracked finger nails in a couple of months. I will keep you all posted on how my second coffee season turns out. <Snip> In case you haven't heard .... My team won!!! And, we are on the road to win the double which could all be finalised this Wednesday. I won't confuse you with all the details! My family was one of the very few who followed football (soccer) in Australia when I was a child - just about everyone followed one of the rugby codes but I found those games too violent. Luckily, Mauritius is a football (soccer) mad island with the majority, supporting Manchester United which sort of made our Arsenal win all the more sweeter! Apologies for the off topic but the English Football season will be over soon so I won't be raving until next season. Although, the World Cup starts in June ....... Cheers Wendy Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road Pomponette Mauritius Island Tel/ans/fax (230) 6257399 Mobile (230) 2560182 homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Seven trees today...700 tomorrow... 'Mauritius Island AA Rare' sounds like a great bean to me . Regards, Ed Needham ed