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Topic: My turn (7 msgs / 362 lines)
1) From: Henry C. Davis
It is your loss if you do not buy from Tom and Maria. They are,
bar none, the best vendors I have ever dealt with in years of
online and phone purchases. If you don't want to be on the list,
don't. (also your loss IMHO) That is no reason to cut your nose
off. Tom posts a wealth of information you can use on the site
without ever participating in the list. He offers the best beans
at reasonable prices intended not only to make a living for
himself and to explore all the best coffee he can find, but to
sustain good coffee production practices and small farms.
I have been online, almost continuously, since the seventies. You
seriously need to get a thicker skin and a better understanding
of the English language. It would not hurt to brush up on some
common colloquialisms so that you avoid misunderstandings. That
you would be so upset someone pointed out that to assume makes
and ass of you and me indicates some problem in either experience
or command of the language. That you would expect an absence of
humor on such a list either suggests a lack of a sense of humor
or a total failure to understand the development, history,
conventions and traditions of online discussions. While you may
have found the flippant responses to your post annoying or
misdirected, that did NOT justify your attacking response unless
you wished to have a significant rejoinder that was less than
polite. You insulted the group for misunderstanding your
assumptions which, as was pointed out, are not in accord with the
ordinary meaning of "common sense" and your message below seems
to indicate you still do not understand that the first mistake
was your own and your response to the misunderstandings was
tantamount to a declaration of war. (An obvious hyperbolism, your
response merely invited dispute and derision.)
Humor, for your information, is a time honored and entirely
appropriate activity in online discussions, even ones about
serious life and death issues. Humor is not a negation of
important thought or serious response to issues. Often humor,
particularly ironic humor, is as instructive as detailed serious
response, provided the person reading it understands the humor
involved. Email communication can easily be misunderstood, and
this has been noted and accounted for in online communication
since before there were computers smaller than automobiles. It is
usually wise when confronted with responses to a comment that
might appear hurtful in some way to consider that response as
possibly humorous or elliptically referring to something not
within your own experience. There is always time to make a
stinging rebuke later if one is appropriate and you wish to
proceed that way, but making one in response to humor or a
comment you simply do not understand is both inappropriate and
counter-productive.
While your responses thus far do not make me sanguine you will
take my advice or find any illumination in it, I wish you well
and suggest you continue to deal with Tom and Maria despite what
you consider to be churlish behavior toward you on the list.
                                    ---Henry.

2) From: Angelo
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3) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
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Dear diy¹er
This (hopefully) last Email from you went into my Œtoo hard file¹ until I
decided whether to just ignore you or respond ­ I am sure most people on
this list think the first option is the clever thing to do but I have
decided to respond.
Looking back over your posts about grinding your green beans, etc, I can
only find considered responses from people on this list.  You created your
own problems when you very patronisingly and childishly replied with
references to (according to you) our lack of common sense and the lack of
being able to assume things.  We cannot be expected to know what is going o=
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in your mind hence our inability to assume every little thing.  Surely when
you wrote this response you must have expected some sort of come back from
people?  
You claim to have found a wonderful coffee board where you feel comfortable
(I wonder if you are making this up as you go along though) - if this is th=
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case and you feel so confident and happy there, why the need to nit pick
back at us?  I think you have some serious lack of self esteem problems to
deal with and I really do hope you can overcome them.
I have only been on this list for about one year and started off with a
bunch of red coffee cherries delivered to my door by a friend with no idea
of what to do with them!  Thanks to everyone here, I found out what to do
with them and have made some valuable friends along the way.  You have
missed out on so much friendship and information by your attitudes ­ you
really do have no one to blame but yourself.
On a happier note ­ even your annoying Email diy¹er cannot dampen my day as
it is the F.A.Cup Final (that is proper football played with the round ball=
)
today and my team ARSENAL is in it!
Have a good weekend all..
Wendy, Coffee Culprit Not
 
Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road
Pomponette
Mauritius Island
Tel/ans/fax  (230) 6257399
Mobile  (230) 2560182

4) From: jim gundlach
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On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin =
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I have not responded to diy'er's postings because I have concluded they =
are not genuine.  There are just too many too far fetched claims to be =
believed.  First she indicated that she talked to some friends who had =
bad experiences with this group.  The number of people who have been on =
this list over the past two or three years is relatively small and they =
are widely distributed across the world.  The odds against having some =
friends who experienced the list is just too high to be believed.  
Second, the description of the character of this list just does not fit, =
Tom has rarely had to tone things down.  Multiply the probability that =
one person would have friends who experienced the list and that their 
experience would be as diyh'er described would result in a value of p 
that would require several digits in scientific notation.  Multiply that =
by the probability that someone inexperienced in roasting coffee could =
roast a good coffee after grinding the beans first.  Anyway you get the =
point.
I concluded early on that diy'er was someone who just enjoyed stirring =
things up.
       Jim Gundlach
      roasting over pecan wood fires
      in La Place, Alabama
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On Saturday, May 4, 2002, at 01:37 AM, Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
wrote:
Lucida GrandeDear diy’er
This (hopefully) last Email from you went into my ‘too hard file’
until I decided whether to just ignore you or respond – I am sure most
people on this list think the first option is the clever thing to do
but I have decided to respond.
Lucida Grande
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I have not responded to diy'er's postings because I have concluded
they are not genuine.  There are just too many too far fetched claims
to be believed.  First she indicated that she talked to some friends
who had bad experiences with this group.  The number of people who
have been on this list over the past two or three years is relatively
small and they are widely distributed across the world.  The odds
against having some friends who experienced the list is just too high
to be believed.  Second, the description of the character of this list
just does not fit, Tom has rarely had to tone things down.  Multiply
the probability that one person would have friends who experienced the
list and that their experience would be as diyh'er described would
result in a value of p that would require several digits in scientific
notation.  Multiply that by the probability that someone inexperienced
in roasting coffee could roast a good coffee after grinding the beans
first.  Anyway you get the point.  
      
I concluded early on that diy'er was someone who just enjoyed stirring
things up.
      Jim Gundlach
     roasting over pecan wood fires
     in La Place, Alabama
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5) From: Les & Becky
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Re: My turnWendy,
Well said!!!  I really enjoyed your struggle with the fresh beans in the =
flesh that those of us who live out of the zone where coffee grows, and =
I will never have that experience.  Your shared a special time with us =
and your willingness to be open to a group of people so far from you was =
special!  My wife knows that if I could grow a coffee tree in my yard, =
we would be harvesting our own.  Tree to cup what an experience!!!  I =
played real football "round ball"  in high school and college.  It is a =
fantastic game.  I used to get Aussie football on the tube and enjoyed =
it more than American football too!!!  I was only dumb enough once to =
play rugby!!!  I enjoy soccer too!  I can't understand why Americans =
don't like it more as it is much like hockey in its overall form of =
play.  Well, I have gotten way off topic for this group.
Les

6) From: Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
On 5/7/02 6:37, "Les & Becky"  wrote:
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Thank you Les!  I am happy to report that the seven coffee trees are loaded
with green berries and some are just starting to turn red so it will be back
to cracked finger nails in a couple of months. I will keep you all posted on
how my second coffee season turns out.
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In case you haven't heard .... My team won!!!  And, we are on the road to
win the double which could all be finalised this Wednesday.  I won't confuse
you with all the details!  My family was one of the very few who followed
football (soccer) in Australia when I was a child - just about everyone
followed one of the rugby codes but I found those games too violent.
Luckily, Mauritius is a football (soccer) mad island with the majority,
supporting Manchester United which sort of made our Arsenal win all the more
sweeter!  
Apologies for the off topic but the English Football season will be over
soon so I won't be raving until next season.  Although, the World Cup starts
in June .......
Cheers
Wendy
Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin
Coastal Road
Pomponette
Mauritius Island
Tel/ans/fax  (230) 6257399
Mobile  (230) 2560182
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7) From: Ed Needham
Seven trees today...700 tomorrow...
'Mauritius Island AA Rare' sounds like a great bean to me .
Regards,
Ed Needham
ed


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