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Topic: No Good Espresso in NYC? (11 msgs / 189 lines)
1) From: Paul Jolly
While I haven't tried to find such on my
occasional forays back East, I recall having some
magnificent shots in the North End of Boston when
I lived there.  Surely there is some
hole-in-the-wall in Little Italy that could do
the same, no?
throwing in another recommendation for the Solis
SL70---cheap and good
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2) From: John Blumel
On Wed, 15 May 2002 08:13:55 -0700 (PDT), Paul Jolly wrote:
Actually, all the article really seems to be stating is that you can't
find a good espresso in Manhattan. It's a well known fact that you
can't get a decent bagel or knish west of the East River so perhaps you
have to be bold enough to venture into the wilds of the boroughs to
find a decent espresso.
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3) From: Gary Lyons
On Wed, 15 May 2002, John Blumel wrote:
Brooklyn and queens have many things that Manhattan doesn't
including a lot of good ethnic food. bagels though are a
different story.
I grew up in Manhattan and spent many years living in Brooklyn
and queens and I have never been able to find anything other then
the worts bagels east of the east river. They are all steam made and
should rightly be called dinner rolls not bagels. if you can
suggest any place in those boroughs where I can get a good bagel
i will make sure to try it on my next trip back.
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4) From: Dan Sussman
As an ex-New Yorker who's lived deep in the heart of Arizona for the past
decade, I can attest to the fact that you can get very good bagels here!
Good Italian, good Chinese, good Thai.
Good everything! As the Phoenix area has grown, the culinary situation here
has improved markedly.
And by the way, just try and find good sourdough or fast Japanese food back
east! Ha! :-)
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5) From: John Blumel
On Wed, 15 May 2002 10:29:51 -0700, Dan Sussman wrote:
Well, I've never tried Italian, Chinese or Thai bagels but they are
probably better than oat bran. So where in New York are you from and
what's the espresso situation in Arizona?
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6) From: Dan Sussman
Am I bein' joshed here, folks?? :-)
Thai, Chinese and Italian food! (Although the bagel idea's kind of
Actually, truth be told, I'm from North Jersey -- Essex County, Bergen
County, Morris County, etc. But I consider all of that to be NY,
particularly from the perspective of the rest of the country.
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure what the espresso situation out here is
(and if anyone on this list has suggestions for good espresso in the Phoenix
area, let me know, please.) Most of the time, I just concentrate on trying
to pull decent shots myself using the Sweet Maria's blends. Using a Krups
Gusto, which is okay, but on the advice of many on this list, I'm probably
going to upgrade my grinder. Right now I'm using one of the cheapie Krups
burr grinders.

7) From: John Blumel
On Wed, 15 May 2002 11:48:53 -0700, Dan Sussman wrote:
Yes, you are being joshed.
In that case, what exit? But seriously Dan (ok, maybe not seriously),
you're talking bagels from west of the Hudson as a comparison. That's
virtually on the west coast already.
Anyway, I was at least partly serious in that it wouldn't surprise me
if you might find better espresso in some neighborhoods in Brooklyn
than in Manhattan. (Although, I've been living in New Orleans for the
last ten years so who knows.) On the other hand Manhattan is a big
place on a little island and saying that there isn't any good espresso
is sort of like saying there is no life on other planets because we
haven't found it yet.
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8) From: Dan Sussman
All the more reason to keep looking!
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9) From: John Blumel
On Wed, 15 May 2002 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT), Gary Lyons wrote:
Try Neptune Bagels in Brighton Beach. It's a block east of Ocean
Parkway (NOT Ocean Avenue) on Neptune Avenue -- next to the Shell
station. (Take the F train to Neptune Avenue, Ocean Parkway is a couple
of long blocks to the East.)
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10) From: John Blumel
On Thu, 16 May 2002 08:24:00 -0500, John Blumel wrote:
BTW, don't even think of trying their coffee.
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11) From: binki
 From where I sit in Hudson County, I can see the Empire State 
Building across the river. When I want a bagel, I know to go towards 
it... the ones over here are something between Lender's and a dinner 
roll. It's worth the train fare to get a real one.
The coffee is probably crap as well, but I don't know. All the coffee 
I drink comes out of my kitchen anyway. Ack! That reminds me, I have 
to go
(back on topic and) roast some Classic Italian Blend right now!
I can't think of the last time I had an espresso, in NY or NJ, that 
could beat the ones I make at home, or the ones pretty much anywhere 
in Europe--sad but true. I'm sure they're out there, just hiding.
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