Flowers will come from the lateral branches in the second year, usually Jan or Feb. Prune that puppy at about the 40 inch mark after your first year and new vertical stems will pop out; keep it to about four or five of these new verticals. Then, the new laterals from these new stems will flower and fruit. Chris in Hilo
Coffee bonzai would be VERY cool. After ten years you could harvest a cup full of very tiny beans each year and make a single demitasse! SPECIAL! Chris in Hilo is LOL
Hi Paul, You probably won't get any significant cherry from your plant, but it is nice to know you are treating it as family! My cat won't kill mice, but we love her anyway! The pruning advice is aimed more at maximizing cherry production, and if you are not going to be reaping a harvest, you can shape the plant to please your eye. The point of pruning in the coffee patch is to get as many flowers as possible and have them develop into as much fruit as possible. Since the flowers come out on lateral branches emerging from the vertical stems, young plants are typically topped in the first year or two. This pruning is at about waist height. The stem will then sprout new vertical stems from the stump. You will cull these new verticals to allow the growth of only three or four or five of them. These verical stems will produce lateral branches and this is where the flowers will appear. So, the first pruning (topping) is done to increase the number of flower-bearing lateral branches. Does this help? Chris in Hilo
Kent Pierce wrote: <Snip> My sister got me some coffee seeds for Christmas. I was going to start farming coffee,but I read that you probably won't get them to bear fruit as houseplants. I live in North Carolina, so I seriously doubt the outdoor growing conditions here are anything like they would be on a mountaintop in Guatemala. But apparently they do make very pretty houseplants. I haven't planted the seeds yet. Steve B.
For those interested in the horticultural side of homeroasting: I spotted some coffee plants at a Franks Nursery and Craft store in the Chicago area. Franks stores can be found from the Great Lakes states to the East Coast and New England so these should be available to many on the list. I bought three $3 pots, and each contained about a dozen separate plants ranging from seedlings to some with 8-10 leaves. I now have a veritable plantation! By December, the plants ought to be big enough to be used as holiday gifts for people who think I'm already too obsessed with coffee... what fun! ....................Kent
<Snip> I was able to take a 6 inch Kona plant and grow it to 5 feet tall inside the DC beltway. Just prior to moving to San Diego last week, I donated the plant to my neighborhood Starbucks. (There are 26 Starbucks in Northern Virgina and to my knowledge no good local cafes). Anyone in the area can go to the Starbucks in the Mark Center shopping center in Alexandria and view it in the front window. The employees are taking very good care of the plant. I need to update my Kona story.http://ineedcoffee.com/content/1999/11/kato_kona.aspKona won. mas
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Message text written by INTERNET:homeroast <Snip> My sister got me some coffee seeds for Christmas. I was going to start farming coffee,but I read that you probably won't get them to bear fruit as houseplants. I live in North Carolina, so I seriously doubt the outdoor growing conditions here are anything like they would be on a mountaintop in Guatemala. But apparently they do make very pretty houseplants. I haven't planted the seeds yet. Steve B. < Steve, Don't expect miracles in the cup, but you can get those trees to produce fruit in northern climes. Just keep them away from frost. Last year a friend brought me some green coffee he had processed from a tree grown in front of a living room picture window in Winnipeg. It looked like coffee, smelled like coffee when it was roasting and even had a bit of coffee flavor. -Bryce
<Snip> A neighbour has one in his north facing front room (South coast of England) - six foot tall. Flowered and bore seed. I "persuaded"him to let me pick, skin and roast. Umm.... - well it was fun! How that dancing goatherd and his monks ever found that the stuff was pleasant to drink without proper washing, drying terraces, handpicked beans, a good supplier to cup for you, HWP, Rockys and gaggias beats me. ken
<Snip> I have a few seeds of Kona in pots (my supplier was kind enough to send me not-quite-dry parchment). I hope that the fermentation process didn't kill them and that they sprout - we'll see. Don't expect to get a good cup of coffee from these living-room trees. We can simulate their natural environment only so far. They're used to much more light than they can get in the northern and southern latitudes, grow at higher altitudes that are cool but still tropical and usually in a jungle ecosystem that no doubt contributes to the quality of the cup... but the plants sure are pretty. Mike
At 5:10 PM -0500 6/7/00, Michael Vanecek wrote: <Snip> I suppose you could do grow lights, but of course you'd be bothered by the occasional swat team. And they'd probably confisticate your plants just when they were about to produce something. ;B -- Eric Bear Albrecht ebear Box 6040 http://www.roastbusters.org/ebear The most valuable of all talents is that of never using two words when one will do. -Thomas Jefferson
------ My sister got me some coffee seeds for Christmas. I was going to start farming coffee,but I read that you probably won't get them to bear fruit as houseplants. I live in North Carolina, so I seriously doubt the outdoor growing conditions here are anything like they would be on a mountaintop in Guatemala. But apparently they do make very pretty houseplants. I haven't planted the seeds yet. Steve B. ------ I got some for Christmas, too...but they're robusta. :( Haven't planted mine, yet, either. Michael Cox Sent via Newton Technology "Ink Different"http://www.lp.org Vote Different!
I have a room with 16ft. ceilings and glass top to bottom on the sunny side. EVERYTHING I grow in this room thrives. I'd like to give growing a coffee plant a try here, based on the reports of success from the list. Does anyone know what varietal looks the best growing in a living room (I suspect it's robusta, and I live AT sea level), and where I might make such a purchase? Thanks! --Hugh
<Snip> Arabica coffee plants are widely available at nurseries and gardening centers. I have bought different types. Some of them that were labeled coffea arabica at a big hardware superstore ...I am not so sure about them. Then I have bought some that werent labeled and I am sure they are Typica arabica. The ones I got at a really good nursery are definitly typica arabica. Look for darker green leaves and a sort of cerrated edge along the sides of the leaves. The ones I question look more like a Ficus Benjamina, smooth edges, lighter leaf color. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ To send a reply to Sweet Maria's, please send the email to tom DO NOT send the Reply to sweetmaria or we might not see it for weeks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting Supplies * Tom and Maria * tom web:http://sweetmarias.com
Hugh, Why don't you order some coffee from one of the three or four dozen Kona coffee farmers who retail their own coffee on the internet and ask them as an extra small favor to include for planting a handful of coffee seeds still in parchment (unmilled). Arabica coffee is a beautiful small tree with glossy , wavy edged leaves for the living room and will tolerate low elevations OK. More at DeckerBandS -Bryce
Hi Hugh <Snip> I live on the beach and have arabica trees bean'wild!
I forgot to add that this is Australia where award winning beans have taken out European prizes so my comment of sea level trees may not apply in Seattle bean'wild!
Thanks, all, for the timely tips on coffee plants. Tom, I'm amazed that they sell real coffee plants in nurseries -- I'll check them out! Bryan and Mandy, how large are your arabica plants? Mandy, do you grow yours outside or inside? I want a 10 ft. coffee bush in my living room. -H.
Hmm...this brings up a question to my mind. Would it make a difference if the coffee beans were wet or dry processed? On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:11:02 -0400, homeroast wrote: <Snip> dozen <Snip> tolerate <Snip> virtually, Norm Szcyrek Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visithttp://freelane.excite.com/freeisp
Tom & Maria wrote: <Snip> <Snip> The International Coffee Organization has a page with coffee plant info:http://www.ico.org/botanic.htm Another site is the Carl Hayden Bee Research Center which has the book: Insect Pollination Of Cultivated Crop Plants by S.E. McGregor, USDA, Originally published 1976 and "The First and Only Virtual Beekeeping Book Updated Continously":http://gears.tucson.ars.ag.gov/book/chap7/coffee.html This is from a simple web search on "coffee arabica" botany I found a plant in a 5" pot at a Frank's Nursery and Crafts in the Chicagoland area ($5.99). It's about 8" tall from the dirt and has 16 stems, several whose unfurling leaves still have unshed parchment. Would each stem eventually be planted as a coffee bush? It's branded "Exotic Angel", which according tohttp://www.exoticangel.com/is from the Hermann Engelmann Greenhouses in Apopka, Florida (just north of Orlando). They claim to be a well-known brand.
Message text written by INTERNET:homeroast <Snip> <Snip> dozen <Snip> coffee <Snip> small <Snip> tolerate <Snip> virtually, Norm Szcyrek< No, Norm., wet processing doesn't kill coffee seeds unless there was a screw up in the fermenting tank and the temperature got too high. The washing process removes the sweet outer cherry skin and then leaves the seeds ("beans") in a water bath to ferment for about 12 hours mainly to loosen the sweet mucilaginous pulp that still adheres to the seeds. In the tub, after natural yeasts have worked on the pulp for about 12 hours, they can be washed clean and dried more efficiently and without the risk of mouldy fermenting that would give the coffee a rotten fruit taste. At this stage the seeds are inside a brittle hull, called 'parchment", that must be removed in a second milling to produce the "green" coffee ready for roasting. If you are going to plant the seeds, you will want them still inside this parchment hull. Coffee roasters and dealers like Tom ordinarily do not have such "parchment coffee" in their stocks. You have to go to the source country for it, as a rule. It would be well to obtain seeds that are not too old to increase the liklehood of germination. Dry processing gives less quality control because the whole cherries are dried like raisins in the sun. And yes, the seeds inside such dried coffee fruit should certainly be viable, again, if they are not too old. Remember that coffee seeds take seemingly forever to germinate. Don't give up on them until at least two months have passed without germination, by which time you can probably assume the seeds were dead to begin with -Bryce
Excellent - I feel much better. I was afraid that the light fermenting these beans get to remove the fruit would be too much. I ordered mine from Cea at Smith Farms from a just-harvested batch still in parchment that hadn't fully dried. Kone coffee beans sure do look pretty. Anyway, they've been in dirt for a little over a week and I used a brief (15 minutes) soaking in Super Thrive to help in the germination. I put them into translucent plastic cups in a mixture of 1/3 vermiculite, 1/3 potting soil and 1/3 peat that is kept wet but not soaked. To preserve moisture and keep humidity high, I taped translucent cups to the top and to prevent mold and fungus and to facilitate watering of the seeds I drilled a 1/2 inch hole in the top of the cover cup (actually the bottom, but it's upside down now). Naturally, I drilled a little hole in the bottom of the assembly to prevent water-logging. They get moderate sun from a west facing window (I planted 12 of them). We'll see how they do. I ended up with two pounds of the stuff (approximately 4200 beans still in parchment), so I'll probably start removing the parchment on some and roasting up a batch or two while I wait... Mike <Snip>
<Snip> That ought to give the rest of 'em some motivation to germinate quickly! 8*D
Light? Water? Fertilizer? Does anyone else have plants? I gave away coffee plants this year for Christmas, but I'm not sure I really know the best care instructions. Peace, Glen AIM:rdawkin994homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I had one several years ago, but I have the "kiss-of-death" thumb instead of the green one. However, it's a supposedly robust plant that will thrive in the same environments as normal house plants, or so I was told; I've killed cacti before, and I think the plastic plant is wilting... I was also told not to expect beans, though, unless you duplicate "hot-house" environments, particularly the humidity and temperature ranges you would find in coffee-growing regions.
It seems to me that SM would do well to "include" (cost plus profit) a coffee plant with the purchase of X amount of green beans. The plant would represent the same "bean" as was purchased. The idea of having the plant among the other decor within a retail coffee establishment just seems natural. In terms of the plants care, let's imagine we know how to use the computor do discern this information. Should SM not be interested in selling plants as they have enough to deal with, perhaps the interested party(s) can hit up their local florist...... ?
--Apple-Mail-1--561671233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; format=flowed On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 01:19 , Glen Sutherland wrote: <Snip> I have a couple of coffee plants given to me by the friend who also gives me all the cherries (which are beginning to come onto the trees at the moment) from the trees at his nature park. They get water and not too much direct sunlight but of course they are in a hot and humid environment so need little care. Adapting them to a non-coffee growing area might need some investigation - regular water spray would be a must. Wendy Wendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road, Pomponette Beach Mauritius Island Tel/ans/fax 230 6257399 Mobile 230 2560182 --Apple-Mail-1--561671233 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/enriched; charset -ASCII On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 01:19 , Glen Sutherland wrote: Light? Water? Fertilizer? Does anyone else have plants? I gave away coffee plants this year for Christmas, but I'm not sure I really know the best care instructions. I have a couple of coffee plants given to me by the friend who also gives me all the cherries (which are beginning to come onto the trees at the moment) from the trees at his nature park. They get water and not too much direct sunlight but of course they are in a hot and humid environment so need little care. Adapting them to a non-coffee growing area might need some investigation - regular water spray would be a must. Wendy HelveticaWendy Austin & Thomas Oswin Coastal Road, Pomponette Beach Mauritius Island Tel/ans/fax 230 6257399 Mobile 230 2560182 --Apple-Mail-1--561671233-- homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
At 11:49 AM 1/2/02 +0400, you wrote: <Snip> On Wednesday, January 2, 2002, at 01:19 , Glen Sutherland wrote: Light? Water? Fertilizer? Does anyone else have plants? I gave away coffee plants this year for Christmas, but I'm not sure I really know the best care instructions. I have a couple of coffee plants given to me by the friend who also gives me all the cherries (which are beginning to come onto the trees at the moment) from the trees at his nature park. They get water and not too much direct sunlight but of course they are in a hot and humid environment so need little care. Adapting them to a non-coffee growing area might need some investigation - regular water spray would be a must. <<<< I have two plants I bought over a year ago. They do fine if you keep them watered and do not let the leaves wilt. They lived in a north facing bay window for a year and did OK although they did not grow very fast. This summer I put them out on the deck 24/7 and they started to grow faster. I fed them every week or two with 50% strength house plant food. I can say from direct experience that they do NOT like frost or cats. Unfortunately, the cats like THEM.... <Snip> Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI pgoelz at eaglequest dot com Videoastronomy, music (UnFest) and electric helicopter site:http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://www.eaglequest.com/~pgoelzhomeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Frank's Nursery and Crafts had plants before Christmas. The two I got are very healthy with three or four plants in each pot. I have tried many times to sprout seeds with no luck, although there are a few who have succeeded. It supposedly takes 3 to 4 months for a seed to sprout. As far as getting beans a lady in California was harvesting beans (not many) on her 4 year plant. It is said a coffee tree will not bloom before its fourth year. My only worry is the pruning. These plants will get huge without proper pruning. I may have to get a book on how to prune. David Waterfill dwaterfi dwaterfill WWW.Spacestar.net/users/dwaterfi homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
For good instructions on taking care of coffee plants, and about any others, go to: http://www.plantcare.comThen click search by plant name and look for coffee, or any other plant you are interested in. Jim Gundlach roasting over pecan wood fires near Shorter, Alabama with a little snow on the ground. homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I think you have to think like a coffee plant on the perfect plantation. A Hawaiian Kona farm comes to mind with coffee trees growing in dark, rich fertile soil, on a cool, fog covered, misty morning mountainside. The temperature gradually warms to a perfect 75-80 degrees on a perfectly clear, sunny day. A moist balmy breeze wisps through the branches and protective shade is provided by surrounding trees and growth. If you can create that in your home, you'll have a happy coffee plant. Regards, Ed Needham ed <Snip> I <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> And the ideal vacation spot! Look at the money you'll save on airfare, accommodations, rentals... all in the privacy of your own home! -deCadmus Doug E Cadmus decadmus www.bloggle.com/coffee homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Ed Needham wrote: <Snip> And a happy home, no doubt! -- garyZ homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> Volcano? No. Dante's Peak? Yes. [The coffee subplot makes the difference.] Of course, you really need to have on-hand a serious Dolby 5.1 [or better] system... it's the subsonic volcanic rumble that makes the coffee plants feel at home. ;) -deCadmus Doug E Cadmus decadmus www.bloggle.com/coffee homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
dogs really "dig" those coffee plants, too. Seems like they'll tolerate anything but being dug up by the roots and played with by dogs. These are the same dogs who wouldn't touch a steak if I told them not to, but couldn't keep their paws out of the coffee tree pot. They never bothered the citrus, figs or other plants. go figure... Bob C. rcantor
First you have to set off a volcano in your living room... Bob C. rcantor
From: "Robert Cantor" <Snip> Does the movie "Volcano" on DVD count?! MM;-) <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> Well that only leaves us with the inevitable Linda Hamilton / Ann Heche comparos, or Tommy Lee Jones / Pierce Brosnan, depending upon one's point of view. Actually, the point of view is somewhat muddied by... ah, nevermind. See why I didn't want to go here? How 'bout Joe vs. the Volcano? Tom and Meg. Happiness. And anyway, where I *really* want that volcano is in my garage, where I'm roasting. It was only 40 degrees in there today. -deCadmus Doug E Cadmus decadmus www.bloggle.com/coffee homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
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<Snip> where I'm <Snip> Eight degrees here yesterday, and I'm still roasting with the HWG in an open garage. I never thought it would be able to do it. Even my original Poppery needed a cardboard box at these temps. JKG south-central Wisconsin homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
From: "Doug Cadmus" <Snip> I always go DTS over Dolby 5.1 when available. Yes, the low end makes our cushy reclining loveseat vibrate. It's not what you hear but what you feel... makes a big difference. Mine's a low end Audiophile setup IMO but it gets the job done. THX certified Miller & Kriesel (M&K) LR C LR-Rear 5.1 with M&K duel 12" push-pull powered sub. (George Lucas has M&K's in his Home Theatre, a step or two up from my models of course...) Driven by Denon AVR-3801 100x7w though I'm running 5.1 not 6.1. Use the other 2 amps(secondary surround channels) for multi-source speaker power - spa, bedroom, garage, computer room, deck, front for Christmas etc. Love classical music with the lights out at concert level. Concert level meaning where the conductor stands... Violins sing and kettle drums thunder. 1812 just fabulous. Dvorak New World one of my fav's. Also really Rocks with the best of 'em! Or how about Mannheim Steamroller, my favorite Christmas music. Coffee's not my only passion! MM;-) Home Roasting in Vancouver, WA USA homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
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After just over 2 months of tending, I have three coffee seeding starting to push up. Two of the ones from Wendy, and a Brazilian from SM. I really hope some of the test Jampit come up. -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Roasting and Blending by Gestalt homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
That's really cool. I always figured milled coffee would be too bruised to be viable - plus the environment some are stored during shipping can affect viability too. I've ordered fresh parchment from a Kona farmer in Hawaii and sprouted those. Normally it takes a while for them to germinate - I put a handful of parchment into wet paper towels and stuffed that in a ziplock baggie and left in subdued light - they had roots coming out within 30 days! I was tickled. Hmmm, now my next SM order is going to be for planting. :) I'd recommend getting coffee that doesn't normally sit in hot box-cars - which would rule out most of the African coffees. Though it can't hurt to try. Coffee seedlings like a constantly moist (not waterlogged) organically rich compost. Never let it dry out. I've killed more seedlings that way. I've also innoculated mine with mycorrhizal fungus - makes it easier for them to survive, especially in pots. My cacao theobroma would not be alive but for that symbiotic fungus. And coffee likes it coolish - if it's comfortable to you it's comfortable for it. Spritzing with water occasionally will help - but as long as the compost is always moist it should have enough humidity. Bright but relatively indirect light is good. Some sun ain't bad - just watch for scalding. I've heard that coffee plants don't like radical environmental change (like moving to another room or house) all that much either - but I've yet to experience that yet. Mycorrhizal fungus makes the plant much stronger, so that's probably why. Have fun, Mike AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
If I remember correctly, it'll take about three or four years for the little seedling to get to bearing size. But they're such beautiful plants anyway! Hmmm, wonder if any animals here will eat the cherries... Hee - home made Kopi Luak! :) SeeYa, Mike susan oppenheim wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I was thinking about taking about six of them and bonsai training them using a modified traditional Kona pruning style and setting them up in a tray as a bonsai coffee plantation. Hmmm, maybe the inclusion of a taller bonsai "shade" tree would enhance the effect? I expect them to max out at about 3' with bonsai maintenance... Have fun, Mike susan oppenheim wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> Wow. After your harvest, you could brew them into little tiny demitasse cups and... homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Mike: <Snip> Where do you get your fungus ? ? ? I'd expect at least some "species specificity" (what works for Pine doesn't work for Rhododendron, for example), and would also expect at least a little "difficulty" getting unfumigated soil samples from Sumatra or Yemen or Columbia . . . . . . (I wonder if one could propagate from root cuttings ? ? ?). You're absolutely correct about the importance of appropriate soil symbiants (and "healthy" soil in general . . .), and not just for coffee. Deward homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I get my innoculant fromhttp://www.tandjenterprises.com/and I've also seenhttp://www.bio-organics.com/recommended. A search of Google will no doubt pull up a dozen other sources. The collections of mycorrhazea in these innoculants are chosen for their generic host nature and can innoculate a wide variety of plants. Most Glomus sp. works well on caffea arabica, it seems. I think the primary species in the Biovam is glomus intraradices though they also include other species to widen the host range, plus some ectomycorrhizal species and azotobactar helper bacteria. Pines, Oaks, Pecans, etc host ectomycorrhizal fungus. 90%+ of plants form mycorrhizal relationships - some require it for survival and the vast majority host endomycorrhizal fungus. If you use it, you'll need to use organic methods of cultivation - chemicals like fertilizers, pesticides and herbicides can harm and kill the fungus which, IMHO, is why most of our agriculture is now heavily dependant on fertilizers and pesticides just for survival. Hope that helps. Most of my chocolate trees - cacao theobroma var forestero - died before I learned of their dependancy on mycorrhizal fungus. The last two were sticks - two weeks after innoculation, new growth and a month after the plants were growing like weeds. I've since had to prune them periodically and repot them into larger containers - they're growing now as they should in nature or a healthy sustainably cultivated plantation. Many of the coffees we enjoy from Tom are grown using sustainable techniques simply because it's economical - those fertilizers are expensive for poor underpaid farmers - and as a side effect, these trees have natural mycorrhizal colonies that are lacking or vastly reduced in crop-style mass cultivated and chemically fertilized trees. Healthier trees means better coffee. Yum... But - for those so inclined, let's not start a flame war over the hot topic of organic vs non-organic - if you disagree, let's agree to disagree right here and now and leave it at that. What I use works for me. I'm happy with it. If you feel like flaming, use my private address and not the list please. I'm happy with the wonderful coffee I drink from Tom - much admittedly cultivated using conventional agriculture much sustainable and some certified organic. All I can say is yum. Cheers, Mike dewardh wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Mike, I am not familiar with the bonsai process, would the coffee trees still produce fruit? Tad Michael Vanecek wrote:I was thinking about taking about six of them and bonsai training them using a modified traditional Kona pruning style and setting them up in a tray as a bonsai coffee plantation. Hmmm, maybe the inclusion of a taller bonsai "shade" tree would enhance the effect? I expect them to max out at about 3' with bonsai maintenance... Have fun, Mike susan oppenheim wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast--------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Mike, I am not familiar with the bonsai process, would the coffee trees still produce fruit? Tad Michael Vanecek wrote:I was thinking about taking about six of them and bonsai training them using a modified traditional Kona pruning style and setting them up in a tray as a bonsai coffee plantation. Hmmm, maybe the inclusion of a taller bonsai "shade" tree would enhance the effect? I expect them to max out at about 3' with bonsai maintenance... Have fun, Mike susan oppenheim wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast--------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
Sure. Most fruiting plants still produce fruit when trained - if allowed. Figs and grapes do - why not coffee. However - remember - bonsai or not, your coffee isn't going to be the same as the parent. My kona trees will not produce kona coffee. The plant is only part of the equation - environment, location, soil, pruning techniques - all those play a huge role in varietal distinction. But, well, it's still neat and you may actually get a decent cup. For me, it's the neatness factor. I love coffee. I can now drink coffee and look at where it comes from. Same with chocolate. My trees may produce pods if I'm persistant - they're notoriously difficult to convince to pod out indoors since their natural polinator is a little midge - but it won't be the same as what you get from the tropics. Coffee grown indoors is supposed to be easy to convince to fruit - I think the flowers are self-polinating. I'll have to research that for sure. Giving it a good shake once and a while when it flowers - and/or having an oscillating fan on it set on low may help the self polination. Or not. Just a guess... Tad Preston wrote: <Snip> -- http://dotfile.net/- Dedicated to Open Source Software homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Susan, the sweet red juice isn't as sweet - or as much - as you might imagine. The flesh surrounding the ripe bean is only attractive to hungry birds (don't know about Indonesian mammals). There's just very little there; although Bryce Decker remembers going through the undergrowth in the Marquesas and stripping off ripe beans from wild plants, popping them in his mouth, and sptting out the "seeds" (beans). He wrote "The interest in coffee goes back 35 years to the Marquesas Islands where I was doing field work for my dissertation and where arabica coffee grows wild wherever there are shaded ravines, planted by birds, and by folks like me passing through and chewing the sweet pulp off the cherries and spitting out the seeds. The Marquesans harvest the wild cherries and process the cherries themselves by hand into extraordinarily aromatic coffee, usually drunk with either coconut cream or sweetened condensed milk. This. and its Tahitian cousin is are coffees that do not reach world markets, You just have to be there to enjoy them." -- Jerry Green susan oppenheim wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
--- jerry wrote: <Snip> Coffee juice is pretty sweet, and very thirst quinching. It's true that there isn't a lot per cherry, though.Best to enjoy it one cherry at a time, sucking on the seeds-then they're ready to dry ! I've read about it being used for wine in Ethiopia for centuries, and fresh pulp is still used to sweeten mezcal while aging the liquor in Mexico. Preserving the genetics of very endangered strains like the Maui Moka or St Helena "green tipped bourbon" varieties would be a worthy cause for us. I'm bringing some seeds of those two varieties with me to Oaxaca where, if they'll sprout, they'll be well looked after. People have endured a lot to replant seeds over so many thousands of years so we can enjoy the fruits of agriculture, and if we ever stop doing that... Charlie ===== Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily nowhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Great!! I have 10 seeds and 4 very good growing friends I am going to be optimistic that I can also grow this stuff and I am so looking forward to popping that first berry into my mouthand tasting the sweet red juice!!! AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
3 or 4 years....oh my well I can always go to a green mountain if I need to pick a berry bonsai work as well here??? Michael Vanecek wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Sometime around 13:13 11/2/02, susan oppenheim typed: <Snip> Just for the record, if you were not joking, the fruits will be the same size as regular coffee fruits. Fruit size is unaffected by the bonsai process. Only leaf size and wood structure are affected. -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Roasting and Blending by Gestalt homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Hee hee - I thought it Susan was joking. :) I found this book helpful:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0713717009/qid36257785/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_8/104-4716325-3855149?v=glanceBe aware that coffee plants aren't very fast growing plants. Relatively speaking anyway. They take long to germinate, long to sprout and slow to grow. But they're simply beautiful plants to have around - and excellent conversation generators when you have friends over for some home roasted coffee. :) Cheers, Mike AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
teeny tiny little fruits Tad Preston wrote: <Snip>
I have had the berries many times in Costa Rica Nicaragua and Panama they are a bit sweet but fuzzy like a quince apparently it is washed off the seeds in many places and used as a fertilizer but I do like it but you were in the Marquesas??Isn't that one of the exotic locations for survivor???Now I have to add this place to my wish list for travel thanks for the cool e mail Susan O Toronto jerry wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I was feeling silly yes they would be the same size ta John AlChemist John wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. The coffee seed I planted early this year is now about a six inch tall plant. What wind speed should you bring a coffee plant indoors? Are = seedling plants in the six inch range left in direct sunlight or are they shade = grown under a net? I recently had to move the plant from the front porch due = to it is catching direct noon through afternoon sun which is a bit much for = this part of Florida. The porch has a southern exposure. Weather man sayz the feeder bands from the tropical storm are starting to roll in so its time = to being the plant back in! Hope the cat leaves it alone! Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with Odie the Corgi and Garfield the Tabby
At 07:02 AM 9/20/2005, you wrote: <Snip> I have two five year old coffee plants that I grew from seedlings. One is about three feet tall and the other is slightly smaller. In their younger days they were very susceptible to drying out and they are VERY sensitive to frost. Oh, and the cats love them. But other than that, I never had a problem with too much sun. Of course, they live in Michigan at 42 degrees north.... I would watch yours and if the wind can bend them maybe 45 degrees (?) get them inside. Just a guess. Once inside, make sure you look at them every day..... mine had a real thirst and were forever drying out and wilting (or worse). But they never died and managed to always come back. In past years, I have always managed to leave them out just a tad too long and they got frostbitten. Kinda decimates them, but darned if they don't come back the next year. This year, they lived out on the deck all summer and got fed and watered regularly and have exploded. This year, I will also bring them in way before frost is an issue, so hopefully they will continue to do well. In the winter they live in a west window on my stereo speakers and out of reach of the cats. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
Paul, Thanks for the tips. I also have a plant from this year. It's lived its entire life in a clay pot on top of a Computer Armoire under a sky light. It seems pretty happy there. With your notes, I'll likely place it on our north facing deck next summer. Frost doesn't happen for, most likely, a while in Southside, VA. But I think I'll hold off for next year. My bugger is probably 3-4". Jason <Snip>
Mine are also about 4" tall, and i've kept them inside at all times, in a window that gets a few hours of sunlight in the afternoon, because i didn't know how they woudl react to full on georgia afternoon sun...maybe i'll put them out for the next few months now that the sun is calming down. Can coffee plants handle FULL sun? jason --- Jason Brooks wrote: <Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>">http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<Snip>http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
This sounds like a lot of fun - does anyone know where can I get my hands o= n some coffee seeds or starter plants? Jeff On 9/20/05, Jason Molinari wrote: <Snip>
Here's a good link on getting started:http://www.coffeeresearch.org/agriculture/homegrowing.htmI think I'm going to try and grow a plant in my cubicle at work. Chris On 9/20/05, Jeffrey Bair wrote: <Snip> <Snip>
I moved them on to the porch until the rain bands go by. Probably stop by late tomorrow. I think I may have over watered them. The leaves were starting to get brown on the edges. Hopefully it will come back. Thanks for the inof. Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with Odie the Corgi and Garfield the Tabby
I put mine in a 20" terra-cotta pot so I wouldn't have to replant. Bad = part is there isn't many places I can put it now! Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with Odie the Corgi and Garfield the Tabby
Mine handled a couple of hours of full sun each day, but the last week = or so it was more like 4+ hours. We had record heat this summer too with most number of 90+ degree days on record for central Florida. The heat has = smoked a lot of plants that claim to be able to take full Florida sun. I really like where I had it on the front porch, but in late August, early = September there is just too much sun. I have moved it to the back porch. Hopefully = the cat leaves it alone! Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with Odie the Corgi and Garfield the Tabby
If your leaves are starting to go brown around the edges you may be getting= coffee "rust". Do a search on the web and you will find some solutions that= keep it in check. If you leave it unchecked it will infect the entire plant= if it is in fact the "rust" Apparently all coffee plants in the world are now infected.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Thanks for the link! Da Odie - SomeWhere in Florida with Clif the Human and Garfield the Tabby
Mine like clay pots when young (terrcotta I mean, not glazed. There's a great pot called a "Long Tom" that allows for deeper root development. I actually have moved some of my mature plants into 20 gallon galvanized trashcans on roller bases - they work well if you provide lots of drainage. I am sure they will rot out eventually, but the galvanized is not an issue with soil. Tom BTW - I have a pictorial on coffee cultivation on our pagehttp://www.sweetmarias.com/growingcoffeeathome.html<Snip> -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria http://www.sweetmarias.com Thompson Owen george Sweet Maria's Coffee - 1115 21st Street, Oakland, CA 94607 - USA phone/fax: 888 876 5917 - tom
<Snip> hands on some coffee seeds or starter plants? Here is a ebay link on coffee plants for sale.http://snipurl.com/htq8RK <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> >This sounds like a lot of fun - does anyone know where can = I get my hands on some coffee seeds or starter plants? Here is a ebay link on coffee plants = for sale.http://snipurl.com/htq8= RK ------=_NextPart_000_01A8_01C5BDF4.28B1D4A0-- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.3/107 - Release Date: 9/20/2005 --====== GMAIL-43305C8077D7=======--
Paul, It really is a small world! I knew you back in the old Barbarossa days, when I was a member of the then nascent Dulcimer Society of Northern Illinois (then the North Shore Dulcimer Society). I was the smartass who used to play "Tequila" and other rock songs on mt. dulcimer (delighting in shocking the petrified traddies). I remember your arrangement of the "Leave It To Beaver" theme on hammer dulcimer. I got lost to rock and roll for a few years before getting back into folk in late '99. Here's another blast from the past: I am now part of an original acoustic duo called "Sass!" with--guess who-- Susan Urban! We write in "classic folk" (as opposed to the currently popular Ani DiFranco-esque "alternative folk") style, with equal parts storytelling and humor (some of it gently crass). We've been played individually and collectively on NPR, "The Midnight Special," and "Dr. Demento" (on whose latest compilation CD my "Because We Can" appears). My first CD, "Ghosts & Angels," came out in 2001; the first Andina & Rich (see below) CD, "Because We Can" is about to be released and is already getting some airplay. We've played several festivals including D.A.F.T., Hiawatha, and Fox Valley (which I've played solo since 2001). To move this back on-topic, one of my (and now our) favorite songs is "Caffeine." We haven't recorded it yet, but Stephen Lee Rich (of Andina & Rich) up in Madison, WI has, on his first CD "Facing Monday." My passion for coffee, especially quality microroasters and good espresso, has led me to seek out coffeehouses as my primary type of venue, as I know I will get a good cup at the gig and before I hit the road again the next morning (I'm sure you know what passes for coffee at most motels these days). Just in case, though, I always travel with a few days worth of my most recent homeroasts, both regular and decaf--plus a hand grinder, electric kettle, and press pot. I am going to be spending the next week down in Florida at my mom's place, which has a decent drip pot and burr grinder--but since the only source of espresso nearby is S'bux a mile away or Liberties 10 mi. south in Boca, I'm bringing not only some home-roasted Red Line regular & decaf but a pour-over non-electric Cafe Presso machine (or maybe a backpacking stovetop moka pot, depending on how full my suitcase is). Do your coffee plants bear fruit? Do you dry and roast it? If so, what's the flavor profile? On Sep 20, 2005, at 6:23 AM, Paul Goelz wrote: <Snip> Sandy www.sandyandina.com
At 12:06 PM 9/20/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Perfect place for them. That is where mine lived for the first year or two. That way you can keep a close eye on them and keep them watered as needed. They were in a north facing bay window, so they got indirect sun. At home on the deck we have a bunch of trees so they get full Michigan sun for several hours a day and indirect sun for maybe five or six hours. They really love it out there. I think they also love the Miracle Grow they are being fed. It is in a hose end sprayer thingie that we use on all our plants, so they get fed every watering. They also get whatever rain that falls. One important thing for outdoor plants exposed to rain is to make sure you do not have a tray or saucer under the pots that can cause water to pool in the bottom of the pot. You want it to drain out. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
At 01:16 PM 9/20/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Like I said, they are very sensitive. My usual problem was under watering. But I think they are probably sensitive to over watering too. And I thought I had killed mine several times, but I was quite surprised how well they came back. My smaller one is smaller because it got frost bitten and then one of my dear cats decimated it further. But this summer on the deck has done wonders for it and it has come back with a vengeance. I wonder how happy they have to be to flower and develop cherries? I think mine are approaching the right age. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
At 01:31 PM 9/20/2005, you wrote: <Snip> I wonder if that is in fact what happens to mine after they are exposed to even mild frost.... the leaves turn brown in patches but rarely actually die altogether and fall off. After the frost event, the brown appears but then does not seem to get much worse over time. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
At 03:03 PM 9/20/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Ah, that is why the name is familiar! Truly a small world. Say HI to Susan next time you see her too. And how is the DSNI doing? I'm still hammering over here in Michigan. See my web site..... <Snip> No fruit yet. I keep waiting. But what with the cats and the frost, the plants haven't been the happiest they could be until this summer. I expect I may see some fruit maybe next year given the fact they are probably pushing five years old at this point. I'll have to do a lot of reading before I try to actually process any cherries though. Oh, and does it require a male and female coffee plant? Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. thanks, I'll check it out. Da Odie - SomeWhere in Florida with Clif the Human and Garfield the Tabby
Here's an interesting coffee plant from EBay: item 7713900975. From the ad" This tropical relative of coffee is the primary admixture plan= t employed by Shamans of the Amazon basin to make the famous visionary drink known as Ayahuasca." So, Tom. Have you cupped this bean yet? --MikeW On 9/20/05, R.N.Kyle wrote: <Snip> s <Snip> -- "Not all things that are countable, count, and not all things that count, are countable". Albert Einstein
Thanks for the tip. I have to go to Lowes tomorrow so I will check the terra-cotta situation out. I had think they had a few deeper ones. I had = to go measure the plant to check it's size, it is just a tad over eight = inches tall. I'll have to take a few pics and put on my web site. I found a = seed company that also sells coffee seeds.http://seedrack.com/02.html I = figured I would take a shot and order a couple packs, they have a Arabica a Kona = and a dwarf. I'll let you know how they do and how the seeds are packaged. = I did see on the site it said grow in medium light, or filtered or = indirect sunlight. Is that what they mean by shade grown? Is there a canopy of taller trees filtering out part of the main sun to the coffee trees? = Glad I moved my plant out of the direct Florida sun! Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with Odie the Corgi and Garfield the Tabby
Different Tom I'm sure, but I cupped that one in my misspent youth after being intrigued by the ramblings of Carlos Casteneda. It is similar in effect to the Lophophora Williamsii used by North American Shamans. From a culinary aspect it is quite horrid but very useful in toning the abdominal muscles.
<Snip> This wouldn't by any chance have anything to do with projectile vomiting, would it, Tom? Gene Smith who will remember the taste of the peyote cactus to his dying day
I recall thinking that it was forceful disembodiment...
<Snip> I recall thinking "So this is what frightened sea cucumbers feel like..." Gene Smith getting ready to possibly be turned inside-out again, in Houston
Hey Gene - why are you still in Houston? Latest trackhttp://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at3%2Bshtml/144728.shtml?5day?largesays you should be joining the herd and going on safari. My brother lives in Angleton (a bit South & West) and they were going to head out yesterday afternoon but turned back due to traffic to do it this early morning. He's flying their small plane, she's driving. Even if she's stuck in traffic, at least it will be cooler at 4AM then 4PM. Enjoy! Steve :->
<Snip> My parents spent 4 hours on I-45 yesterday...making about 15 miles northing before giving up and going back to La Marque (about 15 minutes - on a normal day - from Galveston). They snuck up here to Houston in the middle of the night and are ensconced in a hotel on the West side of town, near us. We're a-stayin'...unless driven out. And I have to go roast some coffee before the storm. Let's see...what would be a good Hurricane Blend? Gene Smith threading the wild learning curve (and hopefully, nothing else), in Houston
At 11:48 AM 9/22/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Monsooned Malabar? Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
That's strictly frostbite. Coffee is 100% intolerant of frost and will incure damage every time. Mine suffered even when temps went down into the low 40's! I would try to keep it protected if you can. Cheers, Mike --http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/ Paul Goelz wrote: <Snip>
They'll do well in an east facing exposure. Too much sun will burn them tho - I've watched my leaves get burned and had to move them. West is also not too bad - tho that's the hotter side. Mine are now outside enjoying a little sun when it's setting tho and they've grown great! They'll take residence in my new pit greenhouse as soon as I get the cover on. South facing may not be so good, north facing is great. Have fun, Mike --http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/ Jason Molinari wrote: <Snip>
I've found that my young seedlings and even older plants are remarkably tolerant of wind here in Texas. Survived several thunderstorms with nary a problem. Likely due to a very flexible trunk that bends readily with the wind. I'm sure they'd likely be happier with less wind, and hurricanes may cause some problems, tho... Cheers, Mike --http://www.taroandti.com/http://www.mjv.com/ Clifton Burkett wrote: <Snip>
At 01:18 PM 9/22/2005, you wrote: <Snip> Don't worry. This year they come in to stay the first time the forecast low is high 40s to low 50s. Coming up soon..... Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI USA paul at pgoelz dot com www.pgoelz.com
OK Folks, I've gone completely crazy- I've went and ordered 2 coffea arabic= a plants from ebay to grow in my house! I will grow them outside in the summer, and bring em in during the rest of the year. I got one Kona that is only 2 inches yet, but I did get a dwarf (think it's caturra) arabica that is supposed to be 1.5 feet, and will start putting out fruit as soon as hopefully next summer. I'll probably prune these bad boys to be short and stout. Apparrently there is a traditional way to prune the konas. I will be looking into that, but I have much much time yet as this little baby is onl= y 2 inches. I will probably have to wait 3 or 4 years for the kona to put out fruit, but I figured the Kona would be traditional, since, after all, it is an American type of Arabica. Also, Hawaii is low altitude, but with right conditions Kona grows real nice. We'll see. I'm not looking for flavor when it all boils down. I think I'm just insane about coffee, and am looking for a buddy to chill out with. I'll have to see how much fruit these things actually put out, though- It would be neat to dry process or dry pulp them, or maybe wet process and fermentation! Next thing you know, I'll drop out o= f med school, and buy a farm in costa rica or guatamala! Very tempting..... I'll be getting some grow lights at the end of the summer to put these babies up for fall. If anyone has any knowlege or advice to share please le= t me know! I was actually thinking of keeping my plants in my basement during the fall and winter under timed grow lights. Anyone know what type of wattage I'll need?! I would like to keep both the initial and ongoing electrical costs down to a minimum. Would the basement be enough light with just the grow light?? If anyone's got any advice please shoot. But till nex= t time, Aloha! I like the sound of that.
On 5/9/06, Jeremy DeFranco wrote: <Snip> hat <Snip> and <Snip> be <Snip> nly <Snip> ut <Snip> is <Snip> en <Snip> or <Snip> m, <Snip> of <Snip> let <Snip> ng <Snip> th <Snip> ext <Snip> Ok, this is sick, dude. Seek help. Especially the part about hanging out with a buddy. How many times do you hang out with buddies while you roast and consume their cousins. Now, that said, how can I get in on this. Not just the plants, but also the farm in Costa Rica. :) Don
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <Snip> these babies up for fall. The drug cops look for guys with large electric bills and grow lights in = the basement, although they are expecting to find a different kind of = plant when they burst through your front door.
Jeremy, I suspect the Gro-lights are just another marketing ploy to separat= e consumers from their finances. Check out the following : With an actinic output of 10,000K, this 15 watt fluorescent lamp will appea= r quite cold and hard blue, simulating North sky sunlight. Any 15-watt fixtur= e will light it OK. Oh, blow me down! It's a $20 lamp! I'm sorry. I was looking for a spectrum chart for the fluorescents. All fluorescents, especially Cool white and Daylight lamps put out some UV with the visible light, IIRC. Some fish tank fluorescents have a specific UV radiating aperture in the glass envelope. Some fish really light up in the dark. The bulbs and the fish probably cost like crazy. What else is new? Find a horticulturalist and tell him what you're up to. If they have knowledge, they'll share it. I believe you might seek your county's "Agriculture Extension Service." Let your fingers do the walking. Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! Got Grinder?
Zara, that reminds me of what happened to me once. Long story short, I have a greenhouse I built out of an old iguana cage that I grow my vanilla plants in. It has lights, a heater on a timer, they love it in there... anyways... stupid bitch who comes in once a month to spray the insecticide sees it, and calls the cops, says I am growing marijuana. Needless to say from what I heard from the other folks who run the apartment complex here, they stake out my place for a few weeks to see who I am 'selling' to., eventually end up paying me a visit.. conviniently when I was not home of course, rummage all through the place and come out embarrassed as hell... yep, it's vanilla plants in there. I went down to the police station and asked 'who' were the cops who went through my place... about 5 minutes later, two of JSO's finest showup, I tell them, you want to know what I was growing... it was vanilla, vanilla plants make vanilla beans.... vanilla beans are used for home made vanilla ice cream, and I dropped off a big tub of my homemade vanilla ice cream for them. They loved the ice cream, were really embarrassed over the whole thing, I laughed at it, I mean you KNOW they were probably all hyped about getting a 'drugbust' and end up seeing vanilla plants instead. Needless to say, the IFC who was doing the bug spray is no longer working here. On that though, yes Marijuana needs the high intensity sodium lamps, run about 1000 watts, and yes suck up tons of electricity. The police really don't just look for a 'big jump' in the electric bill... yes they can use that as evidence possibly but they can't just look because it happened, and use that as the only reason to initiate their investigation bla bla....... weed needs heat and high intensity, coffee and vanilla don't , I have two flourescent light fixtures in the greenhouse, they cost about 10 bucks each at Home Depot, and I have grow lights in them, the 40 watt tubes, which cost about 6 bucks each, x 4 for about 50 bucks for the entire thing. I have my coffee plants in with the vanilla plants and they are doing very well in there too. the heater is set to about 85 degrees, they get 10hours of that with the lights on, then at night, the A/C blows on top of the thing, and while they don't get a direct blast of the air, it does cool it down to the lower 70's upper 60's at night... ideal for vanilla and well, obviously coffee plants too. The heater is really not necessary and many times barely runs anyways... but the electric draw from this is a whole whopping 6 to 8 dollars a month for the plants. Actually this is not too bad when I look at the lizards I have who suck down about 30 a month in heat lamps, sun lamps, uv lamps undergravel heaters bla bla... *I had coffee outside and it did very well until a light frost hit it one night, killed it immediately ... now it stays inside. aaron
Doesn't everyone have at least one coffee plant in their abode? I have a very nice one that I grew from seeds sent to me from Mariachis Island off the coast of Africa. Les On 5/8/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip>
Have you got any pictures of your set-up? I would like to try and grow some tropical plants (coffee, Orchids etc), I was thinking of doing it in the basement, but I would like something enclosed and what you have sounds like it could be it. On 5/9/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Jeremy, You not nutz! I'm in Parker CO which is about 6000 feet altitude (Mountain Grown eh?). = I have three sets of unknown aribica type I bought from a school supply = store and two I grew from seed. I got the seeds from Tom @ Sweet Marias = in Sept of 2004, they took almost six months to sprout! Currently they = are almost six inches tall and have several secondary leaves. The others = are almost a foot tall. The store bought type are on the main level of the house in a southern = exposure sun room, getting some sun and heat year round. The seedlings = are upstairs in my "office" and get also get sun and heat. I plan to = move all of them up here this fall when it gets cooler/cold to take = advantage of the warmer room. They would go outside, but the bunnies = that inhabit our neighborhood don't need any buzz snacks. I try to keep them moist and well fertilized, I use orchid food as I can = dilute it down to include their normal waterings in house growing resources : =http://www.coffeeproject.com/more/trees.html# =http://www.sweetmarias.com/growingcoffeeathome.htmlwhich is Toms =">http://www.coffeeresearch.org/coffee/homegrowing.htm=http://www.coffeeproject.com/more/trees.html# =http://www.sweetmarias.com/growingcoffeeathome.htmlwhich is Toms = pictoral essay on growing beans at home Additional place to buy seedlings: =http://wardsci.com/product.asp?pn=IG0011026Bob
You know, I never could get any of my coffee seeds to ever grow. I just ended up paying a few dollars and getting the live plants off a guy on E bay. Must say though they are doing great fortunately. It will probably be 50 years before they bloom if ever but I just like the way they look. Aaron
llurgy. Let me take a few pictures and ill post them on the net for you to look at. One thing I did, vanilla is a vine, and man it can grow like a weed. It needs to be like 25 to 30 foot long before it will start blooming. So I took 3 bamboo poles and put them in the green house lengthwise in a triangle shape so as the plant grows I can just wrap it round and round on the pole to keep it going. Ill try to get the pics up later tonight for you aaron
Thanks, looking forward to seeing them. That's a great idea with the bambo= o canes and the vanilla. I want to try and make it look attractive which is why I will be having the Orchids plus whatever takes my fancy. I did grow a coffee plant from seed years ago, it was about 18 months old when I accidently murdered it. I was still living at home and my mum had made up a solution of white vinegar and something else and put it in the empty fertilizer bottle. Talk about reverse osmosis at work, that plant shriveled up in 30 minutes flat! I would buy the coffee plants, it just isnt worth all the pain of trying to grow them from bean :) On 5/9/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip>
--Apple-Mail-1--747131282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I live in South Florida, so I can grow coffee trees outside. That's a good thing since there are no basements in South Florida. I bought an arabica about 2 years ago. Just when it was about to have beans, my gardener damaged the trunk with a weed whacker and almost killed it. Then Hurricane Wilma came along and tried to finish the job. It seems to be coming back now and I'm hoping to have a small harvest before the end of summer. It gets plenty of sun, obviously, but I don't know if it's too hot for it to really flourish in this climate. It's about 3-4 feet high now. If I do get beans, I'll plant another tree or two and call it a plantation. Jon On May 9, 2006, at 2:57 PM, llurgy wrote: <Snip> --Apple-Mail-1--747131282 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I live in South Florida, so I = can grow coffee trees outside. That's a good thing since there are no = basements in South Florida. I bought an arabica about 2 years ago. Just = when it was about to have beans, my gardener damaged the trunk with a = weed whacker and almost killed it. Then Hurricane Wilma came along and = tried to finish the job. It seems to be coming back now and I'm hoping = to have a small harvest before the end of summer. It gets plenty of sun, = obviously, but I don't know if it's too hot for it to really flourish in = this climate. It's about 3-4 feet high now. If I do get beans, I'll = plant another tree or two and call it a plantation.
-Jeremy, I suspect the Gro-lights are just another marketing ploy to separate consumers from their finances. Check out the following : ----I agree. The link did not work, though.... I did find this LED. LED looks promising, because electric bill is only $20 more a year.http://www.cleanairgardening.com/growlight.htmlThis is very pricey, though..... -I have two flourescent light fixtures in the greenhouse, they cost about 10 bucks each at Home Depot, and I have grow lights in them, the 40 watt tubes, which cost about 6 bucks each, x 4 for about 50 bucks for the entire thing. I have my coffee plants in with the vanilla plants and they are doing very well in there too. ----Thanks. Any idea how much this is costing per month? Jeremy
I have two coffee plants - still not tall or sturdy enough to be called bushes or trees yet. They have been in the ground for a year now. Under the canopy of a carob tree getting light fertilizer on rare occasions and watered by drip irrigation. Survived a freeze last January and our infamous dry season this year. Found them through Ebay from a nurseyman in the Southeast U.S. Coming back from Europe this summer, my wife filled out the Customs form and forgot that the winemaking yeasts I purchased in Belgium should probably have been listed under "live cell cultures". -- Michael Holland Los Angeles City Archives President, Cellarmasters
I picked up a pot of coffee plants from Ikea (something like $5 for a pot with 5 stems) three years ago and amazingly they are still alive. They've grown from about 8" to about 15" (I have them indoors year-round and don't expect to ever harvest anything worth roasting from these plants). The label indicated that they are Arabica FWIW. Cameron On Dec 6, 2007 3:13 PM, michael holland wrote: <Snip> -- ceforde
I dropped a handful of beans in a huge planter by mistake, we will see what happens... did you per chance go to the Horta House while in Belgium? f ---- michael holland wrote: <Snip>
By mistake, huh? Gee, how does one *accidentally* drop a handful of beans in a planter? ;) Sheila gin wrote: <Snip>
At our nursery, we've been growing coffee trees for years. It's not our = main product, but sort of fun and can be grown as houseplants. I had = one for about 15 years in my front yard that gave coffee beans all the = time. It was about 12 to 15 feet tall with lots of braches. It = repetitively had beautiful red fruited seeds. I never made coffee from = them back then as I wasn't roasting at the time. Surprisingly, these = trees do better with filtered light in So Cal. They don't like our full = sun here. Also, the blossoms are plentiful and an attractive white = color. Each "fruit" has two seeds in it. When you clean the seeds, you = get the two "halves", each of which is a coffee bean that you recognize. = Phil www.junglemusic.net
Anybody know where I could get them around Michigan (or an online vendor)? Contact me off-list please. -Bry Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Try the tropical highland areas of Michigan.... Sorry, couldn't resist. Brett On 12/7/07, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Yeah... it's super tropical here right now... like 20 or so... I did look on ebay really quickly, but I don't know what I should be looking for. Also, would shipping the plant into cold weather up here be a problem, if I grabbed a plant off of ebay? -Bry Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
Bryan, I think your best bet is to buy a plant i the spring time and have it transfered to you. I would bet a nursery in your area would arrange it through their normal channels... Then your only challenge is how to keep it through the winter... I haven't gone there either - It's 30% warmer here - 26 right now. Tonight is supposed to get down to 3, with -5 due to wind chill... Think I will let the kids sleep inside tonight... Brett On 12/7/07, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
Where are located Brett? Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
Cedar Rapids, IA - about 8 hrs WSW of you... We drove by you coming home from Susan Oppenheim's this past June - wish we had known, we would have stopped by! Where exactly in MI ar you guys? B On 12/7/07, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
I live in Paw Paw... but since you have never heard of it, Paw Paw is about 25 miles west of Kalamazoo, which you may have heard of. Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
well, they don't call me grace without reason!! doing three things at one time, goling through the door while scooping out beans to roast and running into my 110 pound shadow, aka the mouse really Buddy the dog! g ---- Sheila Quinn wrote: <Snip>
jeez Brett, we have tropical HIGHlands right here in AZ... ginny could not resist!! ---- Brett Mason wrote: <Snip>
I would hate to have to try and pack a live plant for UPS shipping.... Try the local nurseries as they should have the plants. Put it in a large pot and it will grow to fill the pot. Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip>
Please grab a cup of coffee... COFFEE... OK, so now this might seem less-OT with the thread... ...Speaking of nurseries, my cousin owns a business that you need to take a peek at, because of their patented shipping methods for their plants.... go to www.mycarnivore.com - it's all about carnivorous plants... You just might find a holiday gift there for somebody! I am thankful there are not coffee eating plants! Brett On 12/7/07, Rich wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
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A couple years ago I received a coffee plant from a client. Someone gave it to her as a gift and gave it to me one day when she was cleaning her office. I would need to find and check the label, but I believe all it said was "Coffee Plant - I'm Caffeinated" (or some such). It was about that time that someone recommended potting in a clay pot, which I did. I've transplanted it twice, and now need to get it a much larger pot. It's on my ToDo list. I wish I could know what type it is. I don't know if I will ever get any beans from it, but it's fun to water every 3 days. :-) Joe -- No virus was sent with this message - jjs. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.13/1165 - Release Date: 12/2/2007 8:34 PM
Bryan, Walmart in Traverse City has them on occassion! I've picked them up three different times there in the last two years. I think I paid 1.66 for a small pot (4 inch?) with 5 or 6 stems in it. Sue On 12/7/07, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip>
I love your math. 26° F is 30% warmer than 20° F. I guess there is no h= eat at 0° F? The absolute number 26 is 30% greater than the number 20. It's only true if you're reading the Kelvin scale. Add 460 to F° X 0.556(= apx). The thermodynamic value of 26° F = 270K ; 20° F = 259K. The actual = ratio is 270/ 259 = 1.04, or *4% warmer*. Mebbe. There's not much energy difference when the absolute temperature difference is so small. Since the human experience is mainly between the limits of H2O Freezing and boiling, the Centigrade scale might be more applicable, but gives the ratio of (-) 3.333°C/ (-)6.667°C, or *50% COOLER!* Don't you just love math? Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa! Figures don't Lie... Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa! On Dec 7, 2007 7:34 AM, Brett Mason < homeroast> wrote: <Snip> t <Snip> I <Snip> for. <Snip> if I <Snip> lt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ+> <Snip>
No, I'm not real fond of math at all and almost needed a cup of coffee just to get through and understand your post. :0) I liked Brett's better, it was wrong, but it was SO much easier! haha -Bry Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
I'm with Ray, and my new friend, Kelvin! He says I am right! One other observation from Ray - there is no absolute wrong on my calculation either - therefore it is correct... For the rest of us, the math worked - why? Cause everything starts at 0, and 30% of 20 is 6.... I'm gunna go ask my Uncle Forrest! Brett On Dec 7, 2007 6:15 PM, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
--Apple-Mail-22--276174224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset O-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Dec 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip> That's okay, I think Ray's is off too. On Dec 7, 2007, at 7:08 PM, raymanowen wrote: <Snip> actual <Snip> How can this be a valid way to measure temperature rise? Because it's based on absolute zero? If that was all it took, then it = should be the same value if you use Rankine: 26°F = 485.67° R, 20°F = 479.67° R. 485.67/479.67 =1.0125. Still not sure how to compute percentage rise in temperature, or what = that even means. But I'm pretty sure 4% is wrong ;) But hey, the logic SOUNDED good... ref:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale- allon= --Apple-Mail-22--276174224 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 On Dec 7, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Bryan Wray wrote:
At 09:07 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: <Snip> Are there any Frank's Nursery and Crafts left? The one that used to be here in Rochester was where I bought mine as babies about 6 years ago. I haven't seen any at Bordine's. Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
At 09:34 AM 12/7/2007, you wrote: <Snip> Howzabout seeds?http://seedrack.com/02.html (scroll down to COFFEE) Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
OK. Confusion reigns supreme between both of my living brain cells. Both Lord Kelvin's scale and the Rankine scale are absolute, start at Zero, or no thermal energy. If you have a balanced teeter-totter, with a pile of bricks on one end and an Edsel engine block on the other, the products of the mass or weights and length of arm from the fulcrum are equal. You could measure the products in kg-mtrs, stone-cubits or pounds-feet. The ratio is still 1 at balance. Rankine just uses Fahrenheit degrees (180 from freezing to boiling), while Kelvin uses Celsius degrees- 100 Celsius degrees in the same interval. It is beyond the scope, interest and necessity of this list to pursue the topic further. Besides, I wouldn't understand it. Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa! On Dec 7, 2007 6:08 PM, Paul Goelz wrote: <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976
On Dec 7, 2007 9:08 PM, wrote: <Snip> I'm way ahead of you, Ray.... Brian
Bryan, I need a cup of coffee AND a good shot of brandy just to read these posts - and forget about understanding them! Lynne (math drives my BP to skyrocket levels...) Bryan said: No, I'm not real fond of math at all and almost needed a cup of coffee just <Snip>
The sad thing is I was actually pretty good at math in high school... it's just that then I *had* to be good at math, now no one is grading me, and it makes me happy... :0) -Bry Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
definately heard of paw paw, even been there many times. I work off centre ave just off 131. Do you work at/own NaDean's? I'd love to stop by and say hi. Tim ---- Bryan Wray wrote: <Snip>
Woah... how did I miss that... Paw Paw?! I live near Allegan. Crazy! I guess I'll have to drop down to NaDean's.... Grace and Peace, `tim On Dec 9, 2007 4:51 PM, Tim Harvey wrote: <Snip> -- The content of this e-mail may be private or of confidential nature. Do not forward without permission of the original author. -- Rev. Tim TenClay, NATA #253 Dunningville Reformed Church (www.dunningville.org) Blog:http://lexorandi.tenclay.org
I have a coffee tree that I've been growing for about a year in my Florida backyard. It's about 4 feet high, but has not sprouted any flowers or berries. I put it in a partly shady location, but I'm not sure it's entirely happy there. Time will tell. Jon On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, michael holland wrote: <Snip>
Wow... mine is three years old and about 5 inches tall :-( I'm beginning to wonder if it's coffee bonzai... Grace and Peace, `tim On Dec 10, 2007 10:02 AM, Jon Rosen wrote: <Snip> -- The content of this e-mail may be private or of confidential nature. Do not forward without permission of the original author. -- Rev. Tim TenClay, NATA #253 Dunningville Reformed Church (www.dunningville.org) Blog:http://lexorandi.tenclay.org
I was told by another coffee bush gardener that if you want to force or encourage flowering to fertilize with potassium. I have not personally read up on this yet. Mine are still 6 to 10 inches tall. JoeR On Dec 10, 2007 7:02 AM, Jon Rosen wrote: <Snip>
It's crazy to me how many people are in Michigan... there are quite a few of us aren't there? -bry Bryan Wray NaDean's Coffee Place/ Dino's Coffee Lounge Kalamazoo, MI "It is my hope that people realize that coffee is more than just a caffeine delivery service, it can be a culinary art"- Chris Owens. --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I am in Howell and Howellite (Paul) is about 2 miles up the road from = me. Mike Chester
Stressing the plant by withholding water until the leaves droop a bit will help trigger flowering too... but you need to do it at the right time of year too. I have some flowering now, but I think this is "2nd harvest." I let my cherry dry on the tree this year, harvested it all 2 weeks ago, and am sundrying it all now! Should result in, oh, say 8 cups of coffee! Tom I was told by another coffee bush gardener that if you want to force or encourage flowering to fertilize with potassium. I have not personally read up on this yet. Mine are still 6 to 10 inches tall. JoeR On Dec 10, 2007 7:02 AM, Jon Rosen <jon> wrote: I have a coffee tree that I've been growing for about a year in my Florida backyard. It's about 4 feet high, but has not sprouted any flowers or berries. I put it in a partly shady location, but I'm not sure it's entirely happy there. Time will tell. Jon On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:13 PM, michael holland wrote: <Snip>
I'm in Grand Haven. On Dec 10, 2007 2:41 PM, Mike Chester wrote: <Snip>
At 01:48 PM 12/10/2007, you wrote: <Snip> Please explain further for a plant dunce like me (if it used electrons I'd be fine). My two plants are about 5-6 years old. One is maybe 24-30 inches tall and the other is about 36-40 inches. The smaller one almost died from frostbite several years back but made a remarkable comeback. They both have flowered the last two springs, but the first year was only 1-2 flowers per plant. This last spring there were more but still not a lot. No cherries.... I don't think they are getting any sex..... I inadvertently stress them once in a while by forgetting to water. When I water, I use plant food. In the summer, they live outdoors in full sun for maybe 3 hours and shade for the rest. Define pruning.... do I simply cut off the growth tips on the vertical stems? I have been letting them do what they want since they are houseplants...... Oh, and both plants have 3-5 stems. Because they are close together, they tend to bow outward a bit and I had to amputate one that bent all the way over. They used to go camping with us in the summer so they would get watered. They are part of the family ;) Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
At 07:09 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote: <Snip> Yes, muchly! Thanks! Paul Paul Goelz Rochester Hills, MI paul at pgoelz dot comhttp://www.pgoelz.com
In case anyone is interested, I just received a coffee arabica plant from Territorial Seed and they still have them available< 20% off. It's in great shape, and you don't have to bother trying to grow one from seed. I can get it potted now and outside for a good growing season this year. Here's the web site if anybody on the list wants to get one. I don't think you'll be disappointed:http://www.territorialseed.com/product/1329/s Mine is the size pictured. I even got a coffee cup and saucer planter today at Wal Mart to put it in! Regards, PAUL CARDER Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.homeroasting.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20