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Topic: Roasting logs (13 msgs / 533 lines)
1) From: Jack Berry
Does anyone have what they consider a really good log sheet that you would
like to share? I'm toying with using a cut & paste of Tom's comments along
with a spreadsheet type log. Would be nice I thought to have something that
would support computer analysis of the data collected.
I'll bet there are some pretty good tools in use already by list members, no
need to reinvent the wheel (which is PC speak for "I'm lazy").
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2) From: Stephen Carey
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Hi, all.  Well, I am finally doing it.  I have ordered my first 
roaster and beans, actually, the order gets done this afternoon, but 
it is happening.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have read many 
books, the most recent being Kenneth David's Home Coffee Roasting, 
plus visited, printed out, and read many related sites.  There is one 
area that confuses me a bit and it is one where I may be making 
something big out of something simple, so be kind, okay?
I have seen all sorts of logs, from the simplest in notebooks, to 
maybe some with a bit more information on clipboard to Excel (or 
other spreadsheet programs) with logs being electronic documents.
I am just wondering if it makes a major difference in the type.  To 
me it seems like the material in the log is critical, but maybe there 
is something I am missing and there is a format that allows for a 
quick comparison or maybe a sorting of information by beans, time, 
and so on.  Am I just making this more complicated than it need 
be?  Maybe I could take what I have seen, get the pertinent 
information down, keep track of my first roasts, with plenty of room 
for comments and even if I enjoyed.  Can it be that simple or am I 
missing something?
Thank you for your patience and your sharing of information.  
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Hi, all.  Well, I am finally doing it.  I have
ordered my first roaster and beans, actually, the order gets done this
afternoon, but it is happening.  As I mentioned in an earlier post,
I have read many books, the most recent being Kenneth David's Home Coffee
Roasting, plus visited, printed out, and read many related sites. 
There is one area that confuses me a bit and it is one where I may be
making something big out of something simple, so be kind, okay?
I have seen all sorts of logs, from the simplest in notebooks, to maybe
some with a bit more information on clipboard to Excel (or other
spreadsheet programs) with logs being electronic documents.
I am just wondering if it makes a major difference in the type.  To
me it seems like the material in the log is critical, but maybe there is
something I am missing and there is a format that allows for a quick
comparison or maybe a sorting of information by beans, time, and so
on.  Am I just making this more complicated than it need be? 
Maybe I could take what I have seen, get the pertinent information down,
keep track of my first roasts, with plenty of room for comments and even
if I enjoyed.  Can it be that simple or am I missing
something?
Thank you for your patience and your sharing of information.
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3) From: Barry Luterman
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It can be as simple or complex as suits your personality.

4) From: miKe mcKoffee
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Roast records can be as simple or complicated as you want to make them.
While many probably won't believe it I haven't made a recorded roast note in
2 or 3 years! Mental notes yes. And I do record the total time and finish
temp on jar label, but not the actual "profile". Just know what I use for
what bean types more or less. Though this "laziness" will absolutely change
as I move to larger batches for Kafe...) More important is to start learning
"roasting" itself! Paper, pens, spreadsheets, databases, uh they don't grind
& brew so good:-)
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering VIhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must
first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment
found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before.
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From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Stephen Carey
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:44 AM
 Hi, all.  Well, I am finally doing it.  I have ordered my first roaster and
beans, actually, the order gets done this afternoon, but it is happening.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I have read many books, the most recent
being Kenneth David's Home Coffee Roasting, plus visited, printed out, and
read many related sites.  There is one area that confuses me a bit and it is
one where I may be making something big out of something simple, so be kind,
okay?
I have seen all sorts of logs, from the simplest in notebooks, to maybe some
with a bit more information on clipboard to Excel (or other spreadsheet
programs) with logs being electronic documents.
I am just wondering if it makes a major difference in the type.  To me it
seems like the material in the log is critical, but maybe there is something
I am missing and there is a format that allows for a quick comparison or
maybe a sorting of information by beans, time, and so on.  Am I just making
this more complicated than it need be?  Maybe I could take what I have seen,
get the pertinent information down, keep track of my first roasts, with
plenty of room for comments and even if I enjoyed.  Can it be that simple or
am I missing something?
Thank you for your patience and your sharing of information. 

5) From: Stephen Carey
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Got it, get roasting, notes as needed, which may grow or diminish the 
more I roast or depending on the roast, but just get roasting!
At 02:15 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
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Got it, get roasting, notes as needed, which may grow or
diminish the more I roast or depending on the roast, but just get
roasting!
At 02:15 PM 7/11/2007, you wrote:
Roast records can be as simple or
complicated as you want to make them. While many probably won't believe
it I haven't made a recorded roast note in 2 or 3 years! Mental notes
yes. And I do record the total time and finish temp on jar label, but not
the actual "profile". Just know what I use for what bean types
more or less. Though this "laziness" will absolutely change as
I move to larger batches for Kafe...) More important is to start learning
"roasting" itself! Paper, pens, spreadsheets, databases, uh
they don't grind & brew so good:-)
 
Pacific Northwest Gathering VI
http://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGVI.htmKona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:
http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I
must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal
enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who
have gone before.
Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archives
http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/From:
homeroast-admin
[
mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of
Stephen Carey
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:44 AM
 
 Hi, all.  Well, I am finally doing it. 
I have ordered my first roaster and beans, actually, the order gets done
this afternoon, but it is happening.  As I mentioned in an earlier
post, I have read many books, the most recent being Kenneth David's Home
Coffee Roasting, plus visited, printed out, and read many related
sites.  There is one area that confuses me a bit and it is one where
I may be making something big out of something simple, so be kind,
okay?
I have seen all sorts of logs, from the simplest in notebooks, to
maybe some with a bit more information on clipboard to Excel (or other
spreadsheet programs) with logs being electronic documents.
I am just wondering if it makes a major difference in the type. 
To me it seems like the material in the log is critical, but maybe there
is something I am missing and there is a format that allows for a quick
comparison or maybe a sorting of information by beans, time, and so
on.  Am I just making this more complicated than it need be? 
Maybe I could take what I have seen, get the pertinent information down,
keep track of my first roasts, with plenty of room for comments and even
if I enjoyed.  Can it be that simple or am I missing
something?
Thank you for your patience and your sharing of information. 
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6) From: Aaron Boothe
I'm going to make shameless plug for DJ Garcia's Coffee Roasting Database.
It pretty much does everything but the roasting.  You can keep an accarate
log of your whole greens stash, keep accurate logs of all your roasts,
generate graphs, etc.  There are tons of sorting options that allows you to
find similar roasts to ones you have previously done.
I personally love keeping accurate logs so this program is amazing for me.
You can download it for free here: Coffee
Database
and if this link doesn't work just use thishttp://improbablystructuredlayers.net/CoffeeRoastingDB/CRDBHome.htmAaron B

7) From: Randall Nortman
I keep a simple spreadsheet with both roasting and tasting notes, with
the following information:
- Date of roast
- Bean (origin, farm, lot#, whatever identifies the bean)
- Starting weight
- Final weight
- Weight loss percentage (calculated by spreadsheet)
- Final temperature
- First crack temperature
- Second crack temperature
- Temperature readings every minute*
- Roasting notes (often blank, unless something unusual happened)
- Tasting notes for every day I brew the bean, including brewing
  parameters such as water temperature, grind setting, etc, as
  appropriate for the brewing method.
* The per-minute temperature readings are logged on paper during the
roast, as it would be inconvenient to have my laptop with the
spreadsheet open during the roast.  Sometimes I type in the readings,
but usually I just leave that blank and keep the paper log available
in case I want to go back and see what profile I used.
I find that the tasting notes are critical -- what's the point of
knowing how you roasted the bean if you don't know how it tasted, and
how the flavors changed over time?  Looking at % weight loss is also a
useful indicator of the degree of roast, though of course it is
impossible to boil down degree of roast to just one number -- it is a
multi-dimensioned thing.
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8) From: Bonnie Polkinghorn
I'm new to home roasting, I have been doing it since the first of June on
the stovetop in a whirley pop, with a little thermometer inserted thru the
top.
My first half a dozen roasts, I was just concentrating so hard on the whole
process, I only wrote down the date and the bean variety.  I made mental
notes of the time to first crack and my starting temp and where the knob on
the gas burner was.
I needed to make adjustments as I read more about timing of thing.
Now, I am more calm about it, I realized that the temperature I see at the
start and at the start of first crack, etc. may have some meaning, I can
corrolate what I see to other methods of roasting.  So I started writing
down those times and temps.   My tasting notes were non-existent, now I
write, "good" or "excellent" or "hmm, maybe I under roasted, sour taste", so
I'm still working on my brewing methods and figuring this whole new hobby
out.  I am sure that as time goes by and I am much more calm about things I
will be able to write better tasting notes.
I think for your first roasts, there is so much going on that is quite
overwhelming, keep it simple.  As you roast more, you will determine what
info is important to you.
Bonnie P.

9) From: Brett Mason
This is unbelievable....
Brett
On 7/11/07, miKe mcKoffee  wrote:
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Cheers,
Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com

10) From: DJ Garcia
No comment :-). Other than there will be a significant update to the DB =
by
end of this week (it's done, but I need to update the documentation), so =
you
may want to avoid the update process by waiting until then. Also =
understand
you need Microsoft Access 2000 or later to run it.
But as miKe succinctly states, databases & logs don't roast for you. =
They
may be handy or not depending on your natural inclinations, and are more
useful once you're a bit familiar and comfortable with YOUR roasting =
process
and dealing with the logging activities doesn't get in the way of your
learning process (reference to Dr. Heisenberg ...). Short notes however =
are
always useful when you roast again the same coffee later (well, the same
type bean, of course, not the actual same coffee batch :-).
Cheers,
DJ

11) From: DJ Garcia
Believe it, Brett :-).
Of course his secret is he has eidetic memory with Total Recall ... No,
wait, that was a movie with Ahrrnold ...
Actually I'm going to take exception with miKe's statement. With the =
right
contraption, pens, paper and spreadheets printed on something can grind
pretty darned well ...

12) From: miKe mcKoffee
Ah, but I did say "grind and brew" not just grind:-) Then again of course
suppose you could brew ground pens & paper, but I'll pass thank-you very
much!
miKe 
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13) From: DJ Garcia
OK, if you're going to be a stickler about it, never mind THAT brew ...
eeiuww!
(How DO you spell that frequently used expression???!)
DJ


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