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Topic: Tom's 02 Panama's loose comparison (8 msgs / 145 lines)
1) From: John - Deep Southern Texas
Wow, Charlie bought a ski mask too!!  When that stash arrives, Charlie wo=
n't
bother with sleep any more - just sit up all night and try one more great
shot!!
Congratualtions Charlie!!  Hope the RCMP doesn't drop in to sample a cup
:O))
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2) From: Mike McGinness
Well, just finishing my third morning mug of Panama 02. Recap of roast
batches: all three 7/11 early eve, all to 440f targeting 10:30. Actual
Songbird 10:28, Maunier 10:17, La Berlina 10:36.
Wasn't 'in the mood' this AM to make 3 French Presses and do a side by side
comparison. Just made my usual double 10oz Americano, finished one and made
another. Average about 40hrs rest in vac sealed mason jars. (resealed
periodically)
First cup La Berlina. Everything there as mentioned by others. Great
brightness, body, flavor, balance complexity and finish. Simpy fantastic
cup. Anyone who likes Centrals and Island coffees NEEDs to get this one!
Second cup Maunier. Not as much brightness, excellent body, flavor
complexity and finish. Is that a hint of fruitiness? Checked Tom's write up
and that's what he thinks too. Not as 'classic' a cup as La Berlina but
excellent in it's own right. Which is better? This morning La Berlina by a
wisp, would depend on my mood. Maunier was my favorite Pan' until trying La
Berlina...
Third cup Songbird. Definitely lighter body & flavor at first, grows as it
cools. Good balance. I think it may have been a bit better when I roasted it
a bit lighter, tad bit more acidity came through.(Finishing it as I type,
almost gone.) Still a very good cup. If I had to choice one to be left out
of my line up it would be it though. Fortunately I don't have to make that
choice! :-)
Very unscientific and not real cupping. I was wondering if it's the Bourbon
in the Maunier that gives it the fruitiness. Both Songbird and Maunier have
Caturra, no fruitiness noticed in the Songbird. Any thought's! (Charlie :-)
MM;-)
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3) From: Charlie Herlihy
Mike M;>I was wondering if it's the 
Bourbon
in the Maunier that gives it the fruitiness. Both Songbird and Maunier 
have
Caturra, no fruitiness noticed in the Songbird. Any thought's! (Charlie 
:-)
 Is my "fruity" the same as your "fruity'? Caturraa always tastes distinctly citrusy to me -the 'miel' the most obvious example. Roasted darker that gets toned down. Bourbon always hits me with a red wine aftertaste, never very citrus fruity. I think I can taste the three varieties in the Maunier each affecting a differant part of my mouth, with the Caturra the highest, most fruity notes. The typica has a certain nutty chocolatey richness that satisfies me more than the best Bourbons ever seem to do. Typica can start with a little hit of citrus at the beggining of a sip, Caturra has more in the aftertaste .I haven't tried the Songbird, (interesting curing method ) or a whole lot of Tom's selections yet so I'm willing, even eager, to be supprised. When the Solis 5k finally gets here I'm sure I'll be able to plum the full depths of flavors and get a better perspective on what all the varieties have hiding in them. I'm just an old hillbilly, not a pro cupper or book writer, so k
 eep that in mind. ;/)
Charlie
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4) From: Tom & Maria
Your results match mine really closely. The Maunier definitely is all 
rounded edges whereas the Berlina really is more striking and 
pronounced. Hartmann seems like a lightweight nest to the other 2, 
but that's not a bad thing if you are in the mood for a simpler cup. 
Back to the Berlina, when I get a cup like that, I just want to stop 
looking at other Panamas and get more Berlina... but the lot sold 
out. I might try to call around and plead with a few people for more 
bags.
Tom
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5) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Tom & Maria" 
 Back to the Berlina, when I get a cup like that, I just want to stop
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Tom, what a TERRIBLE thing to say! (or is that terribly devious from a
marketing stand point?:-) Makes some people wonder whether 10# is enough or
if they should order more before it's all gone! :-)
MM;-)
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6) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Charlie Herlihy" 
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distinctly citrusy to me -the 'miel' the most obvious example. Roasted
darker that gets toned down. Bourbon always hits me with a red wine
aftertaste, never very citrus fruity. 
Probably more a 'fruit of the grape' taste I was noticing differently in the
Maunier, not the citrus high notes...
MM;-)
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7) From: Charlie Herlihy
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MM;-)
I had some today and besides the grapes I found  nice ripe Italian plum!   Bourbon is that kind of fruity.
Charlie,  still waiting for Big Brown and the Berlina, ISH , 2 Yemens and the Solis 5k to brew them with.........
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8) From: Charlie Herlihy
Deep Texas John wrote>Wow, Charlie bought a ski mask too!!  When that stash arrives, Charlie >won't bother with sleep any more - just sit up all night and try one more great shot!!>Congratualtions Charlie!!  Hope the RCMP doesn't drop in to sample a cup :O)) <  in response to  : 
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 Hey John, those mounties can look all they want, but all the evidence from that little bank job went straight to Tom!     What really happened was that I robbed my own savings that were supposed to be for a Diedrich roaster. I decided that some improvements to the brick oven roaster, a nice Solis, and some killer coffee to roast and brew made much more sense. A no brainer, really. Sleep must be something you retired folks do. ( ;^p
Charlie,  waiting for SM to move to my side of America
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