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Topic: Sour Espresso (8 msgs / 631 lines)
1) From: David Jewett
<Snip>
I think one of the factors is that coffee that tastes good by a French Press 
might not be all that good by espresso pump. What tastes bright in a cup of 
coffee can be tart in a shot of espresso, which is why I thought espresso is 
usually roasted darker. Try something a little darker, or a different bean.
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2) From: Isabel1130
In a message dated 07/24/2002 3:45:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
moron308 writes:
<< I think one of the factors is that coffee that tastes good by a French 
Press 
 might not be all that good by espresso pump. What tastes bright in a cup of 
 coffee can be tart in a shot of espresso, which is why I thought espresso is 
 usually roasted darker. Try something a little darker, or a different bean. 
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I haven't found this to be the case at all.  A lot of the pros and semi pros 
over at alt coffee have stated on numerous occasions that a lot of espresso 
coffee is over roasted to the detriment of the shot; re the jokes about 
"Charbucks".  I believe that any coffee that will brew up nicely in a french 
press or drip pot will also make good espresso if the barista knows what they 
are doing.  Good coffee is good coffee.  That isn't to say that you might not 
prefer some blends over others for espresso but the key is in the extraction 
no matter what method you use.  Sour espresso is a result of too cool a water 
temperature, bad beans, a bad grind,  bad tamp, or a combination of these 
things.   Isabel
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3) From: John M. Howison
I have enjoyed an occasional espresso for more than fifty years,
whenever a decent espresso bar is near, BUT  . . . the volume and
character of comment on this subject has intensified my view that many
(not all, perhaps, but many) of the espresso-at-home buffs populating
this list are gadget-buffs first and coffee lovers second.  Coffee
brewed at home by any of the preferred methods approaches
coffee-nirvana so regularly that spending big dollars and hours to
produce a tolerable example of the espresso alternative just
occasionally seems more toy-oriented than palate oriented.
(One coffee-lover's thought.  Looking forward to reading alternative views.)
On 6/20/12, homeroast-request
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4) From: Tom Ulmer
I believe most extractions are gadget based with espresso merely a different
venue of palatal pursuit. The parceling of budget is altogether a different
reasoning.

5) From: Frank Parth
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And I would politely disagree. Very much so.
The goal of every one of us is to create the best cup of coffee possible with the resources we have. The "gadgets"are 
how we achieve that.
The different methods of roasting, grinding, and brewing coffee bring out totally different flavors and 
characteristics. By comparing how each one of us does that we learn different approaches to our common goal. We've 
talked about much more than just gadgets, we've extensively discussing grinds, brewing temperatures, brewing methods, 
and everything inbetween.
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6) From: Brian Kamnetz
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7) From: denis bordeleau
re: palatal pursuit, permanent residence,  unplugged espresso machines =
and crema issues.   You probably all know now that this week has been=
 declared the Official International Day of Slowness.   As Mike said so=
 well:" There's more than one way to fix an issue, and espresso is sensitiv=
e to the combination of temperature and pressure."      I do agre=
e and it is why, sometimes, instead of using the Rancilio  Silvia, I use =
the more forgiving Cuisinart M100 with thermobloc and 9 bar pressure portaf=
ilter to get a very satisfactory no brain damage  crema easily for most o=
f the shots.     That is an easy solution between the proportional =
integral derivative (PID) water temperature controller , the liquid nit=
rogen freezer kept portafilter and the bare naked bottomless one.    =
Same thing with the mayonnaise: when all women on their periods have be=
en expulsed from the house, you only have one egg left and no more oil, you=
 declare forfeit
 and  look for the Hellman's or Kraft jar.   For the divine crema pro=
blem you can google " Jim Seven crema issue" and become one of his discip=
le for the necessary length of time.   For Gaggia machine pressurized p=
ortafilter, google :" shop partsguru.com No 11009765" ( $80.00)  and =
Slowness Day is on the site of "Official International Day of Slowness". =
          Thanks for reading me and may all of you have=
  a wonderful day.           Denis
 =
 De : Brian Kamnetz 
À : "A list to discuss home coffee roasting. There are rules for this l=
ist, available athttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html" =
Envoyé le : mercredi 20 juin 2012 18h04
Objet : Re: [Homeroast] Sour Espresso
  =
Tom,
I like your mention of "palatal pursuit". I think that is the common
factor, and for many, that is what drives experimentation with
gadgets. I use a moka pot; I fiddle constantly with grind, water
sources, heat level,dosing ratios, etc., trying to get the fullest,
richest flavor while avoiding extracting nasty elements of the woody
matrix.
I have two espresso machines but haven't had a chance to even plug in
either on. Soon, though; in a couple months I will into a permanent
residence, my stuff will all be unpacked, and I will employ new
gadgets in the same "palatal pursuit",
Brian
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8) From: Sandy Andina
Yeah, but you know that's not real crema you're getting, right? You're basically getting a thin layer of "whipped" coffee that'll dissipate more quickly than the suspension of oils and particulates that is true crema. But I agree with those who say that while crema is desirable, the mark of a great shot is consistency and above all, TASTE.  That's why I bade b'bye to my ol' Krups pumper over a decade ago. A little bit of pale tan fluff floating on the coffee, topped with bubble-bath milk foam can't hold a candle to the real stuff.
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