John, of deep Southern Texas - I'm with all the others who on are your side with the Hot Top issue. Your posts are always interesting and informative, regardless of the subject, as are those of the other contributors. My best saludos, Jim Price homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Come on with the cupping reports. I heard a lot of the seasoned reports, = and the roasting reports. Now its time for the cupping reports, or did I = just miss them, if I did sorry. I sure would like to hear about the = quality of the coffee that was roasted in the Hot Top . Ron Kyle a coffee roaster from South Carolina rnkyle mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Well, I mentioned when I reported on my first pot of coffee from my first roast that it was one of the *best* coffees I've had, and it continued to impress me all week. I roasted 198 grams (all I had left) of some Kenyan AA on Thursday, and drank that yesterday and today; it's the best *that* coffee has ever tasted to me. I'm not a "cupper," and I can't differentiate the various flavors as some on this list can, but I'm impressed enough that I doubt any of my other roasters will see much green coffee from here on... --On Sunday, August 04, 2002 11:08 AM -0400 "R.N.Kyle" wrote: <Snip> Fulton Martin __=o&o>__ roseview San Diego, CA N32 43.956, W117 05.874 homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Now that's what I was wanting to hear. good job and thanks for the = report, thanks to all that have done the bata work on the hot top. Ron Kyle a coffee roaster from South Carolina rnkyle
Thanks to those who are checking into this Hot Top deal. I would really have to stretch, but am very tempted. I am, however, sort of concerned by the support issue. As far as I can tell from this list (and alt.coffee) my HWP may be the only continually functional one made. Swissmar seems to replace more Alpenrosts than they sell. What do we do when our $600 electronically controlled Hot Top fails to function? Is there any sort of support network in this country, or do we mail it to Taiwan? I have owned cars and motorcycles that were not officially imported, and service can be rather a hassle. I am very interested in what others think about this subject. Michael Guterman Just finishing the last of my aged Java. Thank you, Tom and Maria. By the way, I would happily pay you guys the extra hundred dollars to know that my machine would be supported. homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Maybe some enterprising list member would set up a hottop repair service. Then rather than pay for a warranty up front you'll pay if/when it breaks. just my 2 cents for the day. Alan... ps, if I owned a hottop I might do this myself. Without ever seeing a hottop working, it might be difficult to repair one that isn't working :).
Should have said...my HWP may be the only other one continually functional. "MICHAEL GUTERMAN" wrote ........ my HWP may be the only continually functional one made. homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Has anyone contacted these people re: a HotTop ?http://www.southoftheborder.tv/Hottop.htmRich Adams homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Trust me - you can take it completely apart and rebuild it in about 30 minutes. I've had mine apart at least six times - twice to a complete pile of parts, so its no great task to repair one. The problem would be in having access to replacement sensors, motor, control board, solinoid etc. I wouldn't take on the repair job even if the parts were all available locally. There is too great a liability involved to make me comfortable taking that sort of thing on. John - Sucking on a Cafe Crema waiting on my jaw to wake up after the dentist visit
John, Count me in on the group purchase. Bob Trancho bob <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
My feeling on the Hot Top is mixed. My impression of the machine (I had one for 3 months with and without the "improved" base) is that its a machine for the John Abbotts out there (referring to your post in this thread)! In other words, John, it's easy for you to tear it down and build it up but I think your skill is going to be a *requirement* in owning one of these. I can see a Hot Top Repair Shop handling it for people who don't want to or can't, but I can see that person being incredibly busy if even 100-200 machines sell in the US. How would they recoup the cost (there's no way they could at the original selling price. ) I think that people should take to heart the fact that Baratza put a LOT of time and effort into the machine, and ultimately decided it would not hold up for a typical customer who simply wants a safe, running machine. And another telling fact for me was the whole story behind the machine and how it came into existence. You have a motivated person behind the machine, and their spouse who manufactures it begrudgingly. I think we have another UNIMAX situation, but worse in that nobody is even pretending to offer true import/warranty support for the machine. I know it would be great if I could hire a mechanic pre-modify/service them, but I think it would snowball into a huge cost. I contacted HotTop a long time ago to suggest to them that they were, perhaps, introducing their machine to a potential market in a very odd way. They weren't really seeking a relationship with a US distributor. (Baratza was urged by people like Mark Prince to look into the machine, since they are very reputable and have facilities to repair machines). It made me think that maybe HotTop just wanted a US buyer to handle all the problems and liabilities, but the company themselves simply wanted to send them from the warehouse and have nothing more to do with them. HotTop might have come in person to display the machine at the SCAA if they wanted a legitimate US business. Anyway, these are NOT facts, but just little flags that raised suspicion in my mind. I still blame mytself for not seeing the warning signs when Unimax/Royalmax came and went (and they really had GREAT customer service for the first year) ... so I just cant risk getting into something that seems to be less than 100%. -Tom <Snip> -- "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria 1455 64th Street Emeryville CA 94608 http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://www.sweetmarias.comhomeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 02:51 PM, Tom & Maria wrote: <Snip> And that is why your customers don't get burnt. Jim Gundlach homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Tom, I understand and totally agree. From a business point of view it is very risky and could eat up a small business with just one bad burn lawsuite - plus the agregate costs of owning, selling and warranty is pretty steep. I have asked both the US vendors if they will do warranty repair - and niether will respond - which is an answer all by itself. With your permission then, I'll pass the data on to Scott Jensen and let him take the reigns and run with a coop purchase. I will strongly advise him to make clear the risks involved. Your business sense has firmly established Sweet Maria's as a winner, and this fits right in line with those other good decisions you've made. Best Regards John
Thanks for the input, Tom. I agree with Jim that your caring is why your customers don't get burned. I really want a roaster that is a step or two above what we have available to us, and the HT certainly sounds cool, but if I touch tools I cut myself, so I think I have to wait. Oh well. Michael homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
At 12:51 PM 06/02/2003, you wrote: <Snip> I pretty much concur with all of this. I've stepped away from the roaster as well, mainly because of a lot of warning signals that took place in private (and semi-public) conversations. I also got the sense that when warranty or UL issues were raised, the responses were always "hey, why even worry about that stuff! It's a great roaster!" Well, yes, until the first liability lawsuit happens... Mark homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Mark, you seem preoccupied with a non existant law suite. There are now five dealers in the states. So I guess its just a matter of minutes until we see that law suite.
To be fair, we as users of the hottop (if we are) are unlikely ever to enter court due to it, but if Mark prints info about it on his site and someone later sues him claiming his info influenced them to buy a product that burnt/cut/annoyed/anal-probed them then he has to spend the money to defend himself... and it only takes one such experience to have a chilling effect on your willingness to speak freely and openly. I use a home made roaster which may very well kill me someday. If I die and it passes on to someone else (other than Barry Jarrett or Andy Schecter) the new owner will not know how to use it... the good news is that they will probably burn it out before it hurts them. I wonder if I can get Mark to recommend my design as 'safe and effective' so Jill can collect some much needed money when I snuff myself in a big chaff explosion and a hearty Hi Ho, Silver, away! Ted *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 2/21/2003 at 10:01 PM John Abbott wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
At 08:01 PM 21/02/2003, you wrote: <Snip> I don't know anything about law suites, other than the law firm office I visit downtown. As for law suits, there's a valid fear. If you believe there isn't, how 'bout stepping up to the plate, John? You could always mortgage the house and pony up the approximately 100 grand or more in infrastructure, warehousing, legal documentation, import / export paperwork, advertising, and administration that *was* going to bring this product in before they realised it wasn't a wise business move. It appears very easy to speak with other people's dollars, livelyhoods, and businesses. But for the people who have been in this business for a while, they know what's a relatively safe bet, and what isn't. The HotTop wasn't for Baratza. I give serious kudos to the people bringing it in now. But "Mickey Mouse" comes to mind in terms of the operation(s) that are doing it. The company that was considering the product was planning on importing *containers* full of the product; that company that actually FLEW over to Taiwan to personally meet with Chang Yue; and that company eventually decided it was not worth the risks and lack of backing and poor design in some cases, and bailed. Now you have "companies" (most are individuals) bringing in, what, 20 at a time? 5 at a time? That's what it has come to with this product. Mark homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I've been inquiring about a group buy, but time has run out quickly. I = received this message today, so if anyone is interested you need to = contact them personally about a purchase before Monday, the price goes = up. BTW there is a warranty of 1 yr. and a repair service here in the = US,http://www.southoftheborder.tv/Docs/warranty-text.jpgThis is the letter I got this morning: use this message as a referral if = you decide to act Ron, Got word today from Hottop that looks as they are establishing a $599.00 = MAP for the Bean Roaster here in US. Have never heard this before, not even a suggestion. I have sent an email asking for clarification. I have committed already to a number of folks a $499.00 price, prior to this notice today from Hottop. I plan on placing an order early next week for any individuals who I = have already had discussion about the $499.00 price, and have an order in = place by early Monday. I will pay the balance for the units, to make the receipts $599.00, so = the purchasers will have appropriate pricing for warranty for the Hottop, should that need arise. If you are interested in one/some, at the price we discussed, please = make your order by early Monday morning. Regards, Jeff Ron Kyle Anderson SC rnkyle mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
You may want to check the alt.coffee thread "massively spammed by southoftheborder" and related threads (use south etc as the search word). The seller apparently lies and uses shill identities; the offer and claims should perhaps be scrutinized closely. Sorry to be the bearer, etc. Jim On 6 Mar 2003 at 19:40, R.N.Kyle wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Good "heads up", Jim. Jeff at sotb lost all credibility with me with all the spamming and then sending posts using a fake name to lie about who he was and what he's doing. That's a lot of money to lay out to someone who seems so untrustworthy. Charlie --- Jim Schulman wrote: <Snip> ===== Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
At 7:40 PM -0500 3/6/03, R.N.Kyle wrote: <Snip> You might check with either Randy Glass, who's arranging a group buy, at , or Michael Anderson at , both of whom seem more reputable than the South of the Border guy. Best, David -- Less than 0.1 percent of the U.S. population gave 83 percent of all itemized campaign contributions for the 2002 elections, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I bought my HotTop through Michael Anderson and everything was above board and worked out fine. He charged $525 plus shipping. Bob Trancho <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Bob Trancho on Friday, March 07, 2003 11:14 AM wrote: <Snip> I also bought a Hottop through Michael in early February. I was very satisfied with the service that he provided. --John homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. I got my HotTop from Michael about a week ago. I phoned him and it shipped the next day UPS. The darned thing was triple-boxed, was obviously brand spanking new, and works beautifully. I've roasted some Tanzanian Southern Peaberry and Sumatra Iskandar Triple Pick to a beautiful almost Italian roast, and just finished a batch of Kona Purple Mountain to a medium Full City to try a light roast for a change. I've been doing ~ 280gm batches. Cheers, DJ
I'm not going to deal with him... -- Rick
Forgive me, but after the fatal computer crash, I need some help. Could someone post the info on the source for a new hot top. I beleive his name may have been Gary? I know Tom has thought of carrying it but I would like to get one now. thanks Ron rnkyle Home Roasting in SC
I purchased mine through Michael Anderson. his email is hottop4less He has excellent service.
Thank you Joe
Ron, Didn't you just recently get an Alp? Maybe I am thinking of someone else (maybe just not thinking at all). I am also interested in the Hot Top but as long as my old Unimax2000 holds up I hope to wait until SM carries them. I am also curious about the pending Hearthware, but I'm not holding my breath on that one. I guess I'll just limp along with the microwave stuff for now and hope the digital is everything it is cracked up to be. (Just kidding! Seriously, I am just kidding!!!) TerryF Just got a new 5MP Olympus and now I do have to store my pictures on CD's & DVD's.
Snip from Terry:> Ron, <Snip> Your are correct, and your memory is not failing you. I got a Alp in Janurary, it has 30 roasts through it, and I'm enjoying it, as a matter of fact, I roasted 2 lbs of coffee Wed night. 1 lb of Ethiopian Harrar, 1/2 lb of Kona, and 1/2 lb of Sulawesi. Tried the Harrar tonight, roasted to rolling 2nd crack, So nice, very fruity, I love it. I was just interested in the Hot Top because of the profiles and filling from the top, the sight window, and the cooling tray, really nice features. There is nothing wrong with the Alp and for the money it is a nice drum roaster. I just want a hot top. It may be the addict in me, althought clean for 17 years, the additude of wanting something, and wanting it now.:O) Ron rnkyle Home Roasting in SChttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html">http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<Snip>http://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html
With my latest Alp I have the same problem as the first. If I roast a second batch without letting the roaster cool completely, my Alp will quit heating just about a the beginning to mid way into first crack and I have half a pound of underroasted beans. From my experience with the Unimax, I really think you will appreciate the quiet of the HotTop. I gathered that this will be a big plus from John's posts telling how incredibly quiet the HotTop is. That is just one of the many reasons I am also interested in buying one. The Unimax is very quiet and I can really hear what the beans are doing. Good luck in your purchase and keep me informed how great it is. I kind of feel obliged to get miKe mcKona drooling so he will add the HotTop to his arsenal of coffee tools too. TerryF as a matter of <Snip> the <Snip> <Snip> features. <Snip>
From: "Ron" <Snip> <Snip> features. <Snip> clean <Snip> I understand. I've been trying NOT to order any greens successfully for a number of months- my stash just slipped below 140# from a high of almost 200. But Toms dad burned write-ups are TOO enticing. 30# more on it's way as of yesterday... And I strongly FEAR the effect John bringing his HotTop to the PNWG will have on me! MM;-) FFRmR - RBB - RG - MSB too! PNW HomeRoast List Gathering Info' URLhttp://home.attbi.com/~mdmint/coffee/pnwhrg.htm
Hey miKe, When (notice I didn't say *if*) you decide to order the HotTop let me know. I am fighting the urge but I don't know for how long. I keep waiting for SM because I know they are waiting for very good reasons. TerryF
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Thanks so much for the encouragement. Working with this great roaster, I am learning the ropes. Today I roasted a batch of Nicaraguan Cup of Excellence to city + as the label on Tom's two pound package suggested. I am a bit confused in his comments on his website, however, when he suggests taking it to Full City plus, even into Vienna. On a setting of "four" and dumping just into second crack automatically, it looks just right with just a hint of oil. This was starting with a cold roaster and a batch size of 300 grams. (This divides nicely from the two pound packs from SM.) Despite the fact, I'm now roasting with the looks, cracks and smells, I still can't hear the damn beeper as many others have said but don't have the courage to try to change it out. Please bring me up to date on the Tradition thing, Yes, I am in southern Oregon, a bit south of Dr Crema.
I am getting to the point where I am needing to do more and more coffee at a time. Now, while I like my I roast, 6 ounces at a time is not going very far anymore, not to mention the hour rest between roasts, even swapping between bases, it still is a long process to do a few pounds of coffee. I am looking at a hot top and understand you can do back to back roasts. is there any limit to how many back to backs one can do? If I wanted to roast, say 10 back to back roasts of half a pound each, can I do it? Does this stress the machine out too much doing massive roast events or significantly shorten it's expected lifespan? I understand that it also takes longer to roast, so instead of a 8 minute roast in my I roast it'll probably take 18 minutes in my hot top. I like my coffee's generally city + to FC ... what's an 'off the cuff' average roast time on the hot top to obtain this. finally, while Yes I do realize that it depends on how much I use it and how i take care of it, but what is the average life expencty of one of these? when they do start breaking, are the parts something that can be fairly easily replaced or is it one of those... well it's time to get a new one.... things when they do finally start going south. Thanks in advance for any replies. Aaron
On 2/4/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip> I am just starting with this whole roasting thing. Just did my second batch... But I've already pondered what I would need to do to bring the coffee in at work, where we go through about a pound per week. My conclusion is that the best option, if you have a gas grill, is to get a rotisserie kit like I've seen on ebay. They do pretty large amounts at onc= e and while I am almost certain you'd lose some control, you could probably hit the City+ to FC+ range without too much difficulty... -- Steven Hay hay.steve -AT- gmail.com
<Snip> I am just starting with this whole roasting thing. Just did my second batch... But I've already pondered what I would need to do to bring the coffee in at work, where we go through about a pound per week. My conclusion is that the best option, if you have a gas grill, is to get a rotisserie kit like I've seen on ebay. They do pretty large amounts at once and while I am almost certain you'd lose some control, you could probably hit the City+ to FC+ range without too much difficulty... -- Steven Hay Even better would be to check out the excellent drum offerings of one of our own Homeroast listers, Ron Kyle:http://rkdrums.com/You won't have any difficulty finding testimonials to his product around here...PLUS, you'll get lots of help using it. Gene Smith riding the wild learning curve, in Houston
Get a wok! You can easily do a pound or more, there's no need for breaks between roasts, and you get up-close-and-intimate with your beans. Yeah, i= t takes a little practice, but I'm not looking back... It does require that you have a *well* ventilated stove area, though. There's a nice wok-roasting "tutorial"/poem by our own Jim Gundlach athttp://ineedcoffee.com/00/03/wok/The best part is that if you try it, and decide it's not for you, you'll be out maybe $20 for the wok. And you can use it for cooking if you're not roating in it. (I have a separate wok for roasting -- don't want onion flavors in my coffee, no sir.) On 2/4/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip> -- =Spencer in Ann Arbor My Unitarian Jihad http://tinyurl.com/6valr)Name is: Sibling Dagger of Mild Reason What are you?http://homepage.mac.com/whump/ujname.html
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Spencer, I've done all of two roasts in a wok now. I've tried both = times to get to Full City (Tom's recommendation for that particular = bean), but have stopped both roasts short of Full City because the roast = was going longer than the 20 minutes I had allotted for it, the beans = were dark, and first crack had slowed and virtually stopped. My = question, what length of time for a wok roast would be too long? I've = read that you can ruin a roast by using such a low temperature that you = are basically baking the beans rather than roasting. If my roast went 25 minutes, would I be in danger of having baked beans? A second question, if I may, When you increase the amount of beans you = roast from 6 oz to 16 oz, do you need to turn up the heat slightly, or = considerably? Thanks for any help you or anyone else on this list might be able to = give me, Gerald
Gerald, try a smaller batch of beans. Sounds like some of the beans are spending too long away from the heat as you roast... Brett Zassin around the Super Bowl Tree On 2/4/06, Gerald and Beth Newsom wrote: <Snip> to <Snip> e <Snip> e <Snip> y <Snip> er <Snip> it <Snip> t <Snip> be <Snip> . <Snip> o <Snip> n <Snip> t <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
Aaron, I have one of the 16 pre-release models of the HotTop and I love it. It has been cranking out roasts on a regular basis for a couple of years (3?) My blond (in every sense of the word) wife has virtually no trouble roasting with it. We now fight over who gets to roast which beans. She prevails because she can really work that smile thing! I don't think even the new digital model allows you to make back to back roasts. We have to let our unit cool for about 20 minutes between roasts. The whole ram gets out of whack if you don't let it cool. If I am in a hurry (Christmas presents etc) I turn the vacuum around and blow out the unit - and its ready by the time I store the hand vacuum unit. I have done as many as 8 roasts in a row with no ill effect. And I imagine one could contine that for another dozen or so. I have several other brewing methods, but prefer the quality of the HotTop above all the others. The only thing that has come close to moving it down my list is Ron's BBQ roaster and that has been on my agenda for well over a year. John - loving life in the slow lane Aaron wrote: <Snip>
Brett, in my first roast I used about 6 oz of beans. The second roast I increased the amount to 8 oz. If I continue wok roasting, I was hoping to be able to do a pound of beans at a time (enough to last for a week).
I have done roasts of 8oz, 12oz, and 16oz in my wok. Most of those have been 12 oz. I have a gas stove. When I set my largest burner a bit above midpoint on the dial, my roast finishes in 10-15 minutes. I haven't done enough to detect a pattern in how long it takes, especially as I keep adjusting the gas setting to find the balance between too hot and too slow. If you're taking 20 minutes for 8oz of beans, it sounds like you need to apply more heat. The only time I "baked" a roast was the time I "forgot" I was roasting (in = a popper). I had set the Variac down for the early part of the ramp, and it sat for way too long at about 300F. I finished the roast, but after restin= g the beans they had such a bland aroma that I just tossed them without brewing. On 2/4/06, Gerald and Beth Newsom wrote: <Snip> ? <Snip> l <Snip> t <Snip> e <Snip> -- =Spencer in Ann Arbor My Unitarian Jihad http://tinyurl.com/6valr)Name is: Sibling Dagger of Mild Reason What are you?http://homepage.mac.com/whump/ujname.html
Aaron, if you have plans of roasting multiple pounds of coffee go for an RK Drum. you will save you're self many hour of roasting time. I use both the hot top and RK 10 roast in the hot top would make for a long day of roasting. I think you would have at least 10-20 minutes cooling time betwee= n batches. On 2/4/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip> -- George Holt Waxhaw, NC 28173
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Thanks, Spencer! I will turn up the heat slightly and keep trying. Gerald
I typically did 2-3 lb loads in my SS skillet. I roasted on high heat over gas flame, and did lots of turning of the beans with a spatula... Sounds like you are not getting them hot enough. Not sure why... Brett On 2/4/06, Gerald and Beth Newsom wrote: <Snip> to <Snip> es <Snip> ave <Snip> er <Snip> st <Snip> ime <Snip> by <Snip> ? <Snip> ve <Snip> ks <Snip> h, <Snip> hat <Snip> l <Snip> t <Snip> ee <Snip> ar <Snip> e. <Snip> ts. <Snip> to <Snip> or <Snip> e <Snip> ne <Snip> can <Snip> get <Snip> ribes) go tohttp://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings<Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
I think I just need to increase the heat! Will try that soon. Gerald
At 01:48 PM 2/4/2006, you wrote: <Snip> I found that I could reduce the batch to batch cooling time to 3-5 minutes. My trick was that, at the point I ejected the beans, I would (1) remove the chaff tray, (2) remove the bean chute cover and (3) partially remove the filter -- I usually pulled it almost out. As soon as unit finishes cooling the beans, start the cycle again. Why did I figure this out? I tried a back-to-back cycle without pulling any thing -- and it took almost 20 minutes of cooling before the unit decided it had cooled down enough to beep and start a new cycle. Don't add new beans until the beep -- in my case, the Hottop would cool for about 3-1/2 minutes, and then start its heating cycle again (which I could observe with my digital voltmeter watching the AC voltage). About 1-1/2 minutes later, it would be up to the beginning temperature and would beep for bean addition. Every 3 or 4 months, I would take the exhaust fan cover off and blow out chaff that got into that area. I frequently did 6 to 8 roasts back to back, seldom less and occasionally even more. The Hottop is extremely predictible - I would set a timer and sit there reading a book. I enjoy roasting with my RK Drum even more because it isn't! If I'd set up some wind screens, I'd probably be better off, but that would take out some of the close monitoring and interaction I have with the grill temperatures and gas valves. -- Terry Stockdale -- Baton Rouge, LA My Coffee Pages:http://www.terrystockdale.com/hottopMy RK Drum pages: http://www.terrystockdale.com/rkdrum">http://www.terrystockdale.com/coffeeMy Hottop pages:http://www.terrystockdale.com/hottopMy RK Drum pages: http://www.terrystockdale.com/rkdrum
I've followed a similar path with my hottop back to back roasts. If the machine cools sufficiently between roasts (which it seems to do if you pull the parts as Terry describes, and the temp drops down to 160 F or below on the digital readout) when you push the start button for the next roast it will typically start within 1 to 3 minutes. Longest I've ever waited was 6 minutes. Seems if you get it below the warmup/starting temperature it will start quite quickly. But if the machine is hotter than that it will trigger the longer cooling cycles (and you will get to read a lot more :-). Most roasts I've ever done at one time was 6. The machine seemed like it could have kept going but I was more than ready to quit. MichaelB In a message dated 2/4/2006 10:36:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, terry writes: Why did I figure this out? I tried a back-to-back cycle without pulling any thing -- and it took almost 20 minutes of cooling before the unit decided it had cooled down enough to beep and start a new cycle. Don't add new beans until the beep -- in my case, the Hottop would cool for about 3-1/2 minutes, and then start its heating cycle again (which I could observe with my digital voltmeter watching the AC voltage). About 1-1/2 minutes later, it would be up to the beginning temperature and would beep for bean addition.
--Apple-Mail-16--198074069 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Someone may have already have stated this; my email has been very messed up again today, so I find I am not getting all my messages. If this is a repeat, please forgive me! I read somewhere a long time ago that there is even a quicker way to do this. I remove the chaff tray, bean door and used to pull back filter but stopped doing that. THEN, I push the start button, and it says 17 minutes. Then the start button again, and then I immediately push eject. It goes through another cool down cycle and is then cool enough, so it is no more than 5 minutes. I do four or 5 roasts, one after the other, like that. I take the internal temp of the drum, through the bean chute, and it is always down to 70 something to mid 80s. And away we go! Barbara On Feb 5, 2006, at 11:24 AM, Espressoperson wrote: <Snip> --Apple-Mail-16--198074069 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Someone may have already have = stated this; my email has been very messed up again today, so I find I = am not getting all my messages. If this is a repeat, please forgive = me!
In a few weeks I think I will be getting myself a hot top as a christmas present. I remember something on the list about them coming up with some sort of upgrade in a few months? does anyone know if this upgrade is something that will be able to be added onto an older hot top if I were to buy one now? Aaron
Why not go to hottopusa and get it from the horse's mouth? "The KN-8828P will be available as a complete roaster, but Hottop has gone to great lengths in the design of this new model to be sure that current owners of a Hottop coffee roaster will be able to upgrade their roasters to the "P" model by replacing the control panel and the main board, both of which will be available as an upgrade "kit" for purchase." Dave S. Aaron wrote: <Snip>
After I read this last night, I "took the horse to the dentist" and examined the mouth. The changes that have been made on the original design have been driven by marketing palaver. The basic machine is neat but unchanged. The new control panel could be applied to an extrapolated roaster of, say, 5K capacity. Oops- I probably shouldn't have mentioned that... Cheers -RayO, aka Opa! -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976
Arron, I'm not sure that the new bells and whistles are necessary for everyone. I've been using the old style Hottop for a couple of years now and base my profiles on look, smell and sound. The additions I might recommend instead are a variac and a digital thermometer. Frank Coster frankc12
Frank, I'm interested to hear someone talk about using profiles with a Hottop. Are you saying that you use your variac to raise or lower voltage to achieve the bean mass temperatures you want at different stages of the roast? I have a variac that I used to do that with a Poppery, but I didn't find that the Hottop responded in the same way. Perhaps you've modified your Hottop for manual control? If so, please expand. Dave S. Frank Coster wrote: <Snip>
Aaron, The hottop is a wonderful roaster for quick and easy half pound roasts. Especially for those of us non-engineering types who want a turnkey solution to roasting. Great service and a lots of users to compare notes with. I started with the analog model, upgraded to digital, and will probably upgrade to the P model (profiling?) fairly quickly when it becomes available. The digital model doesn't get you any major new function over the analog, just a little convenience that you don't absolutely need but is nice to have. The profiling functions of the new model should add a major level of control but I wouldn't hold up a purchase over it. First, you may not want to spend the extra money. Second, even if you do, the upgrade will probably be a break-even deal. Right after I bought the analog machine, the digital machine became available for $100 more than the analog machine. But they offered a digital upgrade for the analog machine that was exactly $100. So no detriment to waiting. Plus I have the analog board should I ever want to switch back. On 12/23/06, Aaron wrote: <Snip> -- MichaelB
Dave, Using the variac I start the roast at approx 125 to 130v. First crack usually starts at 11-12 minutes after putting the beans in. As 1st crack starts I turn down the variac to 110v and leave it there until the end of the roast, usually at about 16 minutes for FC. Without the variac 1st crack usually started at 15-16 minutes and total roast time for FC was around 17-18 min. Using the variac I can shorten the initial roast period and lengthen the roast time from 1st crack to the end of the roast. Frank Coster frankc12 Coral Mustang Wines www.coralmustang.com
Thanks, Frank, I will try that next time I roast. I would really like to reduce my roast times from 18 minutes. Dave S. Frank Coster wrote: <Snip>
Dave, What it does is allow you to have more control over the final degree of roast. Before the variac, it seemed that 2nd crack would start almost immediately after 1st ended which made it difficult to figure where in the roast you really were at. And you had to be very quick with the eject button or risk over roasting. Many people also believe that having a longer period between 1st and 2nd cracks enhances the flavor. Frank Coster frankc12 Coral Mustang Wines www.coralmustang.com
I'm with you on those goals, Frank. I've checked my voltage under load in the kitchen where I use my Hottop (under the range hood) and it's around 120v. I typically get first crack happening from 385 - 405 F, which might be from 4 minutes remaining to 3 minutes remaining. Second crack would start around 425 - 430 F, which is probably at 1 minute remaining. All this assumes starting at 21 minutes. So start of second crack happens about 2 minutes after the end of first crack. So I would love to have first crack begin and end much sooner, and to extend the time between the end of first and beginning of second to 3-4 minutes. Dave S. Frank Coster wrote: <Snip>
I do approximately the same. Always start @ 130 - 132 (no load) depending on the bean. For brighter brew, I leave @ 130. Dropping to 125 after 1st extends roast & mutes the bright aspect. 130V No Load=~125V Loaded McSparky On 12/24/06, Frank Coster wrote: <Snip>
Will let you know when it becomes available Thanks Michael I was told that Hot Top might have a 1 pound unit coming out. So I contacted them, and this was the reply. Very vague I would say. We'll all we die someday too.. Anyway, I contacted a couple of Commercial roasters, as sample roasters..Looking around $4,200.00 plus. Any other suggestions? Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
How about an RK Drum? You can put one of those together for about $500 and roast 4-5lbs/batch. The pros and cons have been done before, but in a nutshell you get these: Pros: 1. batch size 2. simple to get/build 3. room for tweaking 4. long history of use; many people have them Cons: 1. poor air flow 2. forces you to handle pounds of very hot beans and steel 3. really big 4. can't roast indoors There are more for each category, and good arguments for and against everything. But it's a decent solution. --Derek On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:18 PM, wrote: <Snip> -- Every path but your own is the path of fate. --Thoreau Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
"Any other suggestions?" YES. A Behmor coffee roaster and 13 SPARES should suffice for years as a trouble free One Pound commercial roaster. $4200.00 / $300 = 14 Cheers, Mabuhay, Iechyd da -RayO, aka Opa! -- Persist in old ways; expect different results - suborn Insanity... Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Well, that's not really the same thing... For example, you can get around in a Ford Falcon, a really good car for the price.... but buying 6 or 8 Ford Falcons isn't the same as buying an XKE.... you are buying an entirely different level of performance. Brian On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 8:17 PM, wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
The roast control difference and quality difference in the cup between a commercial roaster and a Behmor is not to be discounted or taken lightly. The Behmor is decent for what it is, inexpensive. It is no way capable of matching roast quality with a US Roaster Corp .5k. AND I wouldn't be surprised in the least in the long run if ONE USRC .5k out lasted 14 or 140 Behmors roasting same total pounds of coffee. Construction difference is night and day, tinker toys or erector set compared to a sky scraper. Slave to the Bean Kona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee www.NorwestCoffee.com URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://www.mckoffee.com/Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
I have a question. After the roast is completed, I noticed one or maybe 2 drops of water that drips from the rear of the roaster on the bottom, just under the fan blower.??????? Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Check your filter it probably needs changing On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:14 AM, wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Mine doesn't drip water, but there is usually condensation on the plastic parts of the filter. I suppose that over time this could run down and drip out of the roaster. I pull the filter when I dump the beans to increase air flow and cool the roaster faster. This could help dry things out to I suppose. Demian On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Barry Luterman wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
What are your fan settings near the end of the roast? The fan seems to remove a lot of the moisture for me. I run it at 50% from about 350 deg F to end of roast. If I need to slow things down, I will speed it up. --mike On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 3:14 PM, wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20