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Topic: Request from HotTop roaster(s) - reformulated (9 msgs / 325 lines)
1) From: John Abbott
Mike,
    Busy morning - sorry for failing to respond.  I'm game! But I owe you
beans anyway so I'll just ship off something here in the next day or two.=
    Take your pick:  CRLM - ISH - Guat huehue - Kenyan AA - Uganda AA - M=
iel
- etc etc.  (no Hawaiian in stock but should arrive soon capn cook) nothi=
ng
really exotic.  Then the question would be: roasted to what degree? 
    Bear in mind - I won't get the same seal that we can on greens. Do yo=
u
want them in a valve bag or vacuum bag?
John
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2) From: John Abbott
OK - deal!  I don't have ANY Songbird left, no Panamanian.  Lets do the G=
uat
Huehue El Injerto.  I'm retired and except Sundays have no planned
activities.  I can roast at about any time so you call that one.
This may turn out to be a neat deal - I'm probably going to have a couple=
 of
friends over to cup with us. Now if I can just remember where I found tha=
t
form :O)
John
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3) From: Mike McGinness
Ok, no response from my request to roast from each individual's stash of
greens. Or maybe it's only Alchemist John and I who are interested in
comparing a HotTop roast to a BB variac controlled profile roast. Regardless
I'll change the request.
I'll provide the greens & $ for postage shipping the roast batch back (half
of it, you'd keep the other half to compare the roast I send you) if a
HotTop roaster is willing to roast a batch. I'll still send a roasted batch
of the same beans for your comparison. We'd both roast at an agreed upon
time and ship next day USPS Priority. Maybe could swing it to schedule
roasting morning and ship same day. Just let me know if one of you are
willing and the batch size of greens (in grams) you'll need.
MM;-)
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4) From: Mike McGinness
From: "John Abbott" 
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You don't owe me beans IMO but hey, it'll be a one for one trade for
sciences sake!
For better comparison we'll want to coordinate roasting at the same
approximate time, at least the same same morning, afternoon or evening. Me
still being a 'working stiff' I can't say morning or afternoon unless next
Sat or Sun. Then USPS Priority (2-3day) shipping next day should get in to
each of us soon enough. I'm game for roasting this eve or whenever eve works
for you...
 >   Take your pick:  CRLM - ISH - Guat huehue - Kenyan AA - Uganda AA -
Miel
- etc etc.  (no Hawaiian in stock but should arrive soon capn cook) nothing
really exotic.  Then the question would be: roasted to what degree?
Do you have Panama Hartmann Songbird 02? (I have all 3 Pan' Tom offered this
year, Songbird #3 in my opinion but still good, so a natural choice for
experimenting... use it up!)
If not let's use Guat Huehue El Injerto 02 (it's the only Huehue I have in
stock.) If your Huehue isn't El Injerto then CRLM 02 is always a good one.
I'd be roasting to light full city pre 2nd crack fully slow developed 1st
crack 435f using the BB profile: 2min low heat bean stabilization to 230f,
high heat blast roasting launch to 350 at 3:30 followed by med-low heat,
about 7:30 from start of 1st crack to 435f total time 11min and cooling
shutdown. The trick of course getting the closest same roast doneness from
the preset HotTop profiles... That's your job! :-)
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want them in a valve bag or vacuum bag?
We'll get the same 'initial' vac but of course degassing will expand the
bag. I propose using a 8 1/2 x 11" bag for 1/4# finished roast. Should be
big enough to allow for degassing expansion. After a couple days should be
pillow like but still sealed and the beans simply surrounded by the CO2. If
not enough room... boom!... it's another experiment! I'd roast two 1/3#
greens batches each yielding 1/4#+ finished placing both in bags, one to
send you and the other for comparing on my end. I won't put mine in my usual
mason jar vac since we'd want all stored and rested the same. You'd split
your batch in half sending half to me and keeping half to compare.
Just let me know which bean and when to roast!
MM;-)
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5) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
Mike,
it may sound odd, but the main reason why I have not jumped on your offer
that we have so much freshly roasted beans and so many new things to try,
that I do not want another batch of roasted beans to try and compare.
I will be happy to send UPS Second day -- or FedEx you some HotTop roasted
beans. Why don't you write directly to PAL-at sign-IEEE-dot-ORG and we will
arrange the details. I have quite a few of partly used and some full 2lb
bags from Sweet Maria's. Tell me what you prefer and I will tell you if it
is in our collection.
We have two new CSA toys -- I mean research apparata, the HotTop and Miss
Tea, and between them I have enough of coffee and methods to try and
compare.
I now roast 302.4g batches of green beans or 2/3 of a pound in our HotTop.
How big a batches do you use for your cupping or comparison drinking?
Cheers, Lubos.
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6) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
Mike, another thing to consider:
I store my beans in a cool dry place. In our part of the country, the UPS or
FedEx packages come quite hot. I did not measure the temperature, but the
box outside is quite warm and the inside contents even warmer.  What does
that do to the quality of the roasted beans? I am afraid that any comparison
would be suspect -- is the difference in taste and quality caused by
roasting, or by "baking it" for many hours at some 95F or more after
roasting? I have no experience with shipping in an insulated container using
dry ice etc.
Perhaps you should try to find a HotTop owner who lives closer to you; or
wait for cooler weather.
I have the email addresses of the Early Adopters. I will ask them -- perhaps
someone lives closer to Vancouver, WA so that you can trade the beans
"directly". Would you mind if I give them your email or other address to
contact you directly?
Cheers, Lubos
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7) From: Dan Bollinger
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comparison
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using
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Lubos, I was concerned with this too when I got my last UPS shipment in.
Then I decided to not worrry about this when I realized that the warehouses
in Kenya, Costa Rica, Ethiopia, etc. are probably just as hot as a UPS truck
is on a summer's day.  :)  Dan
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8) From: Mike McGinness
Lubos,
Good point on the temperature of the roasted beans during shipping, hadn't
thought of that potential problem. Comparing roasts isn't really a 'high
priority' at this point, more an intellectual and taste curiosity. (Though
coffee taste is ALWAYS a high priority!:-) The HotTop isn't for sale yet, I
opted not to go for a pre-production model, plus am very happy with the
results of my Caffe' Rosto variac profile roasting.
However, if and when the HotTop comes to market, if it's roasts are
comparable to what I'm currently producing, then the HotTops convenience of
after dialing in a roast then being able to virtually 'set it and forget it'
style roast could prove to be a major purchase incentive.
If there is a HotTop early adopter not on the list living close the
Vancouver, WA / Portland, OR by all means feel free to give them my email
addy.
MM;-)
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9) From: Les & Becky
Hey Mike, I am very interested, but I don't have the right equipment!  I
would love to see this thread on the list.
Maybe those Hottoppers have been consuming so much coffee, they can't type!
Les
Roasting in S. Oregon
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