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Topic: Sherwin-Williams color chips (22 msgs / 493 lines)
1) From: Dan Bollinger
The SCAA and Agtron, Inc. rejected my suggestion to borrow a set of tiles.
Oh well, not all is lost. I waited for the sun to come up and grabbed my S-W
color chips.  What I thought I'd do is select a range 'coffee colored' chips
in a value gradient (light to dark).  This isn't as easy as it sounds.  They
only produce about three sets in any one hue before changing the hue
slightly.  The result isn't as nice a transisiton as I'd like, but I did
find some possible ones.  The Exterior colors come in more darker neutrals
than interior so I got most from there.  Here is what I think is a good
range.  I selected the semi-gloss versions to mimic the oil sheen that is
present on some of the darker roasts. I'm not going to call any of these
"City" or "Viennese" because I'm not sure that color is how these roast
names are determined.  Besides, what we are after is something that we can
compare to in different parts of the world when talking about a bean and I
think this should be its own classification system so we don't get confused.
What I suggest is that we call these SW1, SW2, etc., from top to bottom, to
make them easy to type and easy to remember.  (SW1 = SW 1070, etc.)
From light to dark:
SW 1070
SW 2168
SW 2028
SW 2021
SW 2731 (semi-gloss)
SW 2736 (semi-gloss)
SW 2737 (semi-gloss)
SW 2021 and SW 2731 are almost the same color, but the latter is a
semi-gloss chip.  What I was trying to accomplish is the change in Full
City- to the oilier Full City+.
Interestingly, SW 2736 is named 'espresso', but looks like Vienna to me  :)
Print this off, take it to S-W and pull them.  See if you agree.  Dan
I'd like to find something darker than SW 2737 for the last color, but it
seems to jump from there to black.
It helps to cut the chips out and place them side-to-side.  Place a roasted
bean on top and slide it back and forth until it 'disapears', you've found
you match.
Dan
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2) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
Dan,
many thanks for the good work you are doing.
"...I selected the semi-gloss versions to mimic the oil sheen that is
present on some of the darker roasts..."
I thoughtb you are planning to compare ground beens -- am I wrong?  To my
eyes, there is not much oil sheen left in the color after the beans are
ground.  Frankly, I do not have many beans with oil sheen to compare.
Regards, Lubos
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3) From: Mark A. Chalkley
Dan,
Coo1!  I'll see what I can find.  I live in "the boonies", though, so
I'm sure the nearest S-W is at least 50 miles away, but I'll find one
later this week...
Mark C.
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, 9:50:18 AM, you wrote:
DB> The SCAA and Agtron, Inc. rejected my suggestion to borrow a set of tiles.
DB> Oh well, not all is lost. I waited for the sun to come up and grabbed my S-W
DB> color chips.  What I thought I'd do is select a range 'coffee colored' chips
DB> in a value gradient (light to dark).  This isn't as easy as it sounds.  They
DB> only produce about three sets in any one hue before changing the hue
DB> slightly.  The result isn't as nice a transisiton as I'd like, but I did
DB> find some possible ones.  The Exterior colors come in more darker neutrals
DB> than interior so I got most from there.  Here is what I think is a good
DB> range.  I selected the semi-gloss versions to mimic the oil sheen that is
DB> present on some of the darker roasts. I'm not going to call any of these
DB> "City" or "Viennese" because I'm not sure that color is how these roast
DB> names are determined.  Besides, what we are after is something that we can
DB> compare to in different parts of the world when talking about a bean and I
DB> think this should be its own classification system so we don't get confused.
DB> What I suggest is that we call these SW1, SW2, etc., from top to bottom, to
DB> make them easy to type and easy to remember.  (SW1 = SW 1070, etc.)
DB> From light to dark:
DB> SW 1070
DB> SW 2168
DB> SW 2028
DB> SW 2021
DB> SW 2731 (semi-gloss)
DB> SW 2736 (semi-gloss)
DB> SW 2737 (semi-gloss)
DB> SW 2021 and SW 2731 are almost the same color, but the latter is a
DB> semi-gloss chip.  What I was trying to accomplish is the change in Full
DB> City- to the oilier Full City+.
DB> Interestingly, SW 2736 is named 'espresso', but looks like Vienna to me  :)
DB> Print this off, take it to S-W and pull them.  See if you agree.  Dan
DB> I'd like to find something darker than SW 2737 for the last color, but it
DB> seems to jump from there to black.
DB> It helps to cut the chips out and place them side-to-side.  Place a roasted
DB> bean on top and slide it back and forth until it 'disapears', you've found
DB> you match.
DB> Dan
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4) From: Eric B. Stauffer
Splendid work. I have a full set of Benjamin Moore swatches but I believe
the SW are more readily available. I'm heading out after work to pick up a
set!
   Eric
On Wed, 18 Sep 2002, Dan Bollinger wrote:
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5) From: Dan Bollinger
Good points.  The beans should be ground, but let's face it, we look at the
whole beens and judge the roast anyway.  I'll see if I can find flat
finishes on those colors and make the problem go away.  Then, people can do
whatever they want, ground or whole.  Dan
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6) From: Dan Bollinger
Yes, go to S-W.   I'm going to be adamant about sticking with them.  They
don't change their colors every year, plus, they have a full line of
industrial finishes and know how important color matching is.  Also, they
have the larger swatches.  If we can agree on the colors, I may be able to
get some for everyone.  Dan
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tiles.
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7) From: floyd burton
I can see it now at SW HQ-massive marketing meetings to get a handle on
where this huge demand for their paint chips is coming from and how they
must ramp up production to meet this booming demand for their products.  luv
it

8) From: binki
I was at a product demo yesterday and there was a rep from Pantone.
She showed a new device they have called a Color Cue: it's a thingy  
about the size of a stapler that you put on any surface, push a button,  
and it'll give you the Pantone chip equivalent. (and the CMYK  
breakdown, and the RGB, etc etc)
more info:http://www.pantone.com/products/
products.asp?idSubArea=0&idArea=8&idProduct73&idArticleType_Products=0
I don't know for sure that it would work with beans; I think it might  
need to be on a flat surface. Maybe ground coffee?
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9) From: Scott Jensen
Dan I will let you borrow my color tiles.  I only have 3- 45,55,65.  But
those are generally where I roast most coffee to anyway.  Don't remember the
last time I roasted to a 25 agtron!  Or a 95 for that matter! :)  If it
would be helpful I will gladly send them to you.
Scott Jensen
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10) From: Dan Bollinger
Thanks, Scott!  Right now I'm going to wait for people to check out the ones
I selected and see where we stand.  What I realized when looking at the S-W
color chips is that, even though they have by far the largest selection of
colors, there weren't that many dark browns to choose from.  I doubt if we
could find matches for the Agtron colors.  This doesn't really matter
because the Agtron scale is 0-100 by hundreths.  That's 10,000 colors and
they just picked some arbitrary ones to make tiles of.  If they can do it,
so can we.  Dan
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11) From: Scott Jensen
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OK, sounds like you've got it figured out.
I 'm not sure they would of just arbitrarily picked colors, Carl Stroub of
Agtron developed the Agtron color tiles from his work with the Agtron color
spectrometer.  About a $10,000 machine for analyzing the roast of coffee.
Ok so I'm putting this together out of my head, because I'm to lazy to do
the exact research.  The basics are factual, not all of them may be remember
correctly- so don't use these answers on "Who wants to be a Millionare"- you
might lose the million dollar question! :)  Agtron does have a site.
Scott
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12) From: Dan Bollinger
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color
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Uh, let's see.  He made a scale of light brown to dark brown with 10,000
steps.  The ones he made tiles of are colors 25, 45, 55, etc.    Not the
adorable Agtron 24.653,  the Carl Stroub City Roast 45.016 or the
oh-so-special  54.999     ;)
I call steps by ten arbitrary.  You can call it scientific if you like.  :)
Dan
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13) From: Mark A. Chalkley
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, 8:13:49 PM, you wrote:
DB> Uh, let's see.  He made a scale of light brown to dark brown with
DB> 10,000 steps.  The ones he made tiles of are colors 25, 45, 55,
DB> etc.    Not the adorable Agtron 24.653,  the Carl Stroub City
DB> Roast 45.016 or the oh-so-special  54.999     ;)
DB> I call steps by ten arbitrary.  You can call it scientific if you like.  :)
DB> Dan
So, you've unilaterally and arbitrarily decided to call their process
arbitrary?  That works for me!  (Of course, if they split the 10,000
into equal steps, I guess that could be called scientifically
arbitrary, sort of like the SWAG method of statistical analysis.)
So, how are the flat chips coming?
Mark C.
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14) From: Dan Bollinger
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Yep, equal steps.  Oh, and white is zero and black is 100. :)
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Hey, I got my set!    :)   I'm resting some La Minita roasted for about 11
minutes to SW5, will try it tomorrow, may be a little dark for this Costa
Rican, we'll see.   Roasted some Kenya AA Karani Farms for 11 minutes to SW4
& SW6 to make a melange. Had a cup this morning, WOW!  Great smokey depth
and some citrus bite, too.  Dan
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15) From: Mark A. Chalkley
On Wednesday, September 18, 2002, 8:34:27 PM, you wrote:
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DB> Yep, equal steps.  Oh, and white is zero and black is 100. :)
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DB> Hey, I got my set!    :)   I'm resting some La Minita roasted for about 11
DB> minutes to SW5, will try it tomorrow, may be a little dark for this Costa
DB> Rican, we'll see.   Roasted some Kenya AA Karani Farms for 11 minutes to SW4
DB> & SW6 to make a melange. Had a cup this morning, WOW!  Great smokey depth
DB> and some citrus bite, too.  Dan
Was that "resting" some La Minita or "roasting"?
So, how long did the Kenya take to roast to SW6?  In the true spirit
of Stage 1 comparison science, when I get my SW chips, I'll roast some
of each to the proper SW degree (no pun intended) and we can compare
flavor notes...
Mark C.
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16) From: Dan Bollinger
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Resting.
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About 12 minutes for the darker roast Kenyan.  I didn't time the roast
exactly since I didn't know I'd be using if for any comparisons. Let me know
what you think after you do you roasting.  Dan
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17) From: Mike McGinness
What ever happend to the SW colors project for using in discussing roasts?
Were the colors finalized or did I miss it? Haven't seen any mention in some
time... (which lighting source to use I won't even get into...) Just the
chips please!:-)
MM;-)
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18) From: Dan Bollinger
Mike here is what I selected.  I've not heard any feedback yet.
Here is what I think is a good range.  I selected the semi-gloss versions to
mimic the oil sheen that is present on some of the darker roasts. I'm not
going to call any of these "City" or "Viennese" because I'm not sure that
color is how these roast names are determined.  Besides, what we are after
is something that we can compare to in different parts of the world when
talking about a bean and I think this should be its own classification
system so we don't get confused.What I suggest is that we call these SW1,
SW2, etc., from top to bottom, to make them easy to type and easy to
remember.  (SW1 = SW 1070, etc.)
From light to dark:
SW 1070
SW 2168
SW 2028
SW 2021
SW 2731 (semi-gloss)
SW 2736 (semi-gloss)
SW 2737 (semi-gloss)
SW 2021 and SW 2731 are almost the same color, but the latter is a
semi-gloss chip.  What I was trying to accomplish is the change in Full
City- to the oilier Full City+.
Interestingly, SW 2736 is named 'espresso', but looks like Vienna to me  :)
Print this off, take it to S-W and pull them.  See if you agree.  Dan
I'd like to find something darker than SW 2737 for the last color, but it
seems to jump from there to black.
It helps to cut the chips out and place them side-to-side.  Place a roasted
bean on top and slide it back and forth until it 'disapears', you've found
your match.
Dan
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19) From: Mike McGinness
Dan,
I still had that email, but kind of thought something more must have come of
it. I'm printing it out and will pick 'em up. Thanks for your foot work!
MM;-)
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20) From: S. Marc Testa
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I went to Sherwin Willimas today and they stopped making the colors (or =
at least the numbers) listed below.
SW 1070
SW 2168
SW 2028
SW 2021
SW 2731 (semi-gloss)
SW 2736 (semi-gloss)
SW 2737 (semi-gloss)
All they had were 2001 colors.
I have Ken Davids Roasting book and the colors I just got that match up =
with the Agtron tiles in the book are
From light to dark I only found:
#85 - 
#65 - 2923 - Bramble Bush or 6048 Terra Burn
#45 - 2924 - Woodsy Brown
#25
Anyone else have a similar expereince when trying to get 2001 colors?? I =
guess I have to call around.?

21) From: jim gundlach
I went by one SW store and they had almost no paint chips - store was 
dirty and seemed to be about of business.  I will try in another town 
next time I get a chance.
Jim Gundlach
in La Place, Alabama
On Saturday, September 28, 2002, at 04:56 PM, Dan Bollinger wrote:
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22) From: Dan Bollinger
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
I'll check into it and see what S-W has to say.  Dan


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