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Topic: green varietals >was Re: FR - JBM - Oaxaca (23 msgs / 422 lines)
1) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Charlie Herlihy" 
 (from off list conversation) > I find that actual varieties such as
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Definitely not blah blah blah! You seem to have the best understanding on
the list of how much the bean variety effects the flavor, not just where
it's grown. While reading I was thinking of the many coffees I've tried and
flavor characteristics, similar and dissimilar. Checked SM and some of the
greens and 'discovered' why PNG seemed to disappoint me. The Indonesian
'spice' highlights seemed missing. Now I know why, it's not a Sumatra
varietal! I'm going to start adding the variety to my coffee labels to help
me understand and learn the varietal taste differences. Thanks!
MM;-)
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2) From: Ben Treichel
Mike McGinness wrote:
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Actually what I do is to print out the SM cupping review (screen shot) 
and then use a UPS shipping doc holder attached the green bag to label 
the coffee. These little sticky pouchs work great attached to the 
storage bag. Also a great place to keep roast records until the green is 
gone.
I do have one question although. I have been presuming that having a 5" 
x 8" piece of plastic 'glued' to the bag doesn't effect the storage.
Ben
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3) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Ben Treichel" 
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Good idea. Thanks!
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Don't know if the self-stick glue will affect greens stored in air permeable
bags. In my greens storage scenario it's mute, I vacuum store my greens in
Foodsaver bags. They should work great. Though I may put them (the review
prints, not the greens:-) in a notebook instead so they're easily
referenced.
MM;-)
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4) From: John
Mike,
We do that for a bunch of reasons. Since you talked me into the Mason
jars, I was having trouble re-labeling. We now have a small binder that
sits on the end of the shelf, each jar has a number and the notebook
contains the roasting log which now has a final square for jar number. I
still file by bean type, because that's the way I think about it when
I'm deciding on what to have. We have a tabbed section in the back of
the notebook with Tom's cupping reviews - because I can never remember
about the bean when I'm serving it.
Carolyn loves this arrangement because I'm limited to 14 jars and then
I'm out of the negotiated shelf space. I guess she's right when she
claims that my imperialism would consume the cabinets in a month if we
didn't have this rule.
On Tue, 2002-09-24 at 09:37, Mike McGinness wrote:
at. Though I may put them (the review
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5) From: Steven Van Dyke
John,
I'm running *way* behind on messages here, but I thought it was probably
still worth passing along how I label the mason jars I use: I took some
clear shipping tape and made 'pockets' on each jar.  Fold one piece in half
along its length, then use three other bits to fasten it to the jar.  Leave
it just a little bit loose so you can get your labels in and out.
Enjoy!
Steve :->
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6) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Steven Van Dyke" 
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DUH, thanks for idea!!! Much easier than continually cleaning off the
previous label... even those supposed 'removable' labels are a pain. Thanks
again for the tip:-)
MM;-)
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7) From: John
Steve,
I'll give it a try.  You don't put the whole cupping report in the label
slot do you?  I guess a small handful of well prepared labels would work
(something on the order of the label Mike used on his exchange package).
I'm really in need of a better organization for my greens now! Any hints
along that line? :O)
John
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 12:33, Steven Van Dyke wrote:
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8) From: Mike McGinness
From: "John" 
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You mean like my current greens "organization"? Have 65 or so vac' bags
varying in size from last 1/3# batch to 3#. About 1/2 by weight on coffee
cart, rest overflow stored under bed. Except for recent arrivals that
haven't been vac' bagged yet, and are no longer full as received since I've
been roasting from them too. Take a physical inventory, written down, then
not only not get around to getting it on computer but not keep it update
each time I roast and/or get more greens and need to do it again!:-)
MM;-)
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9) From: John
Mike,
You already talked me into vacuum bagging them. My problem is trying to
find what I want when I want it. We just don't have a lot of unused
storage. I'm probably going to move a two door cabinet into the work
shop to house it all.  But I need a way to find them in a hurry - not
having to pick up and read about 45 packages before I find the one I'm
looking for at the moment. I have them stored by Continent at present
with all of them in four boxes (yeah I know there are more continents
than that - but North America doesn't produce - just consumes. Central,
South, Islands, Africa, Arabia are the current piles.
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 14:02, Mike McGinness wrote:
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10) From: Linda Scott
Message: 39
From: "Mike McGinness" 
To: 
Subject: Re: +green varietals >was Re: FR - JBM - Oaxaca
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 10:50:59 -0700
Reply-To: homeroast
From: "Steven Van Dyke" 
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DUH, thanks for idea!!! Much easier than continually cleaning off the
previous label... even those supposed 'removable' labels are a pain. Thanks
again for the tip:-)
MM;-)
Variable Variac Rockin' Rosto Roasting in Vancouver, WA USA
I just write on the jars with a "permanent" marker.  Comes off in the
dishwasher, or by handwashing with a scrubby sponge.  Very easy!
Linda
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11) From: Rick Farris
Steve wrote:
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I used a few schemes for labeling, until I realized that the easiest way was
to simply write with grease pencil on the lids!  The lids are incredibly
cheap (what, a nickel each?) and can only be used a few times anyway before
the gasket material dries out.
So, I write on them with grease pencil and wipe them off when I'm done.
After a few uses I toss them and start over.
-- Rick
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12) From: Rick Farris
John wrote:
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I have a full-sized gunny sack for each major coffee growing area (Central
America, South America, Africa/Arabia, Indonesia/Asia, Islands/Blends,
Decaf), and then for each country in the area I have Tom's 15# gunny sacks
(in some cases more than one).  Then for those coffees that I don't stash in
bulk, I have Tom's 5# gunny sacks.  (See why I was so interested in your
gunny-sack labeling idea?)
I have six hooks on the wall with one large gunny sack per hook.  What more
organization do you need?  :-)
--Rick
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13) From: John
Rick
With that system, I would have to take down the large sack then dump the
smaller sacks and then look for my green choice. I have them in bankers
boxes and can pop the lid and sort through them pretty quickly. But
moving the boxes around isn't my thought of a good system.
Maybe I'll just find five really good beans and stick with them :))
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 17:35, Rick Farris wrote:
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14) From: Mike McGinness
From: "John" 
 Maybe I'll just find five really good beans and stick with them :))
Ok John, I'll help you out. I'll suffer and continue digging through the
endless vac sacks of greens. Pick your five and send the rest to me. In
keeping with the DH Tradition I'll pay the postage :-)
MM;-)
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15) From: John
You WILL let me know when they arrive :O)   Then I have to find a place
to sleep, because we don't have a dog house.
John
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 19:53, Mike McGinness wrote:
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16) From: R.N.Kyle
great idea. My wife had some tupperware labels, and I found that peel =
off real easy, not leaving any glue behind. the draw back is they are =
small
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

17) From: R.N.Kyle
Mike I know what you mean. I made a inventory list up in MS Access. and =
have not updated in 3 mo. some of the greens on the list, no longer =
exist.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

18) From: Ben Treichel
Use the plastic 'envelopes' that ups for fedex use for shipping tickets. 
You know, stuck on the top of the box that contains the shipper. I put 
the cupping review in them, and recycle the same cotton bags.
Ben
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19) From: John
Ben - I vacuum seal 100% of my roasted beans in either vacuum bags (if
they are for immediate use) or Vacuum sealed Mason jars.  It is the jars
that present the problem.  Currently they are numbered and I have a 5.5"
X 4.25" notebook that contains my roasting logs, and Tom's cupping
reports - plus the jar number (on the log) where the beans are stored.
Actually nothing has to be moved or removed.  The almost empty vac jars
are responsible for my first couple of blends - lumping them together.
John - sipping an exceptional ISH
On Sat, 2002-09-28 at 22:19, Ben Treichel wrote:
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20) From: Rick Farris
John wrote:
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You know, I wrote an inventory control system once, and in order to control
"shrinkage," everything was stored randomly in numbered bins.  In order to
pull a part, first you went to the computer, told it how much of what you
wanted, and it told you which bin to look in.  It also updated inventory.
For something simple like a hobbyist's coffee stash (shut up, Scott!), it
wouldn't be all that hard to do.  You'd need an old computer to keep near
your stash, though.
--Rick
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21) From: John
OH, not a problem with keeping the inventory on the computer -
spreadsheet takes care of that. But I'm back to my original square -
quickly identifying which box and bin it is in. What I'd love is a file
drawer system like a small parts locker. But I'd have to move something
to make room for it.
On Sun, 2002-09-29 at 00:43, Rick Farris wrote:
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22) From: TFisher511
Who are you trying to kid anyway? And what method are you going to use to 
roast 5 beans at a time, John?  :)
Terry F
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23) From: Dan Bollinger
Good idea.  They are called bill of lading envelopes.  Boxes-R-Us and those
kind of places will have them.
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