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Topic: The God Shot (30 msgs / 509 lines)
1) From: R.N.Kyle
Please tell me that their is pure 1oz shot of espresso, that is not so =
bitter that it feels like a heavy blanket on the side and back of the =
tongue. 
I'm trying so hard to find this illusive shot I hear about, talking of =
sweet full body taste that resembles what ground coffee smells like.
I home roast with a certain degree of success. I have a flat burr =
grinder low end I have a Krupps Gusto pump machine.
and the rest other then some good americano's has been like I stated =
above. very bitter and like a heavy blanket of bitter thrown over the =
sides and back of my tongue.I know that the grinder I have is inadequate =
and plan to buy a Rocky as soon as the budget permits. This is the very =
weakest link in my chain to the God shot. I know.
Any help you could offer would be so appreciated. as I desperately want =
to be an espresso lover.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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2) From: Jim Schulman
Hi Ron,
On 5 Oct 2002 at 19:12, you wrote:
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Bitterness can be caused by overextracting the excessive fines from the 
grinder. Try grinding a little coarser and doing a "Swift" tamp -- a firm 
tamp on the half filled basket, followed by one on the filled basket. This 
will also up the amount of coffee in the basket.
Bitterness can also be caused by extracting too long. End your shot as soon 
as the mousetails go light, no matter what the voulume or time. Adjust your 
grind for the next shot.
Finally, espresso blends are a different sort of animal. Typical Italian 
blends are designed to be used with 1 to 2 teaspoons of sugar. If you don't 
want to use sugar, you want to use a high proportion of naturally sweet 
coffees like some Columbians or Brazilians, and roast as light as possible, 
which, for espresso is only to the start of a rolling second. Tom's Cooxupe 
Prima Qualita is my recommendation for "sugaring" your blend, but I'm sure 
there're many others.
Finally, you may consider ordering a naturally sweet expresso blend already 
roasted to calibrate your expectations. Black Cat by Intelligentsia coffee or 
Dolce by Vivace are the two standouts for this.
Jim
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3) From: R.N.Kyle
Thanks Jim, I appreciate your response with an informative post. I will =
try your suggestions. thanks again for your valued suggestions for a =
better not bitter shot.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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4) From: NOEL HONG
I think the God Shot is a relative concept.  Personal 
taste/sensation/perception.  After struggling for over a decade using a 
Gaggia Coffee and different grinders I broke down and spent the relatively 
big $ on an IsomacTea/MazzerMini combo. Why? Relatively good temperature 
stability and pressure consistency(pre-infusion with repeatable smooth 
pressure build up to a sustainable ideal pressure).  Results: instead of the 
occasionally acceptable shot, routine good shots to occasional 
great-excellent shots.  Maybe even God Shots. The problem with owning some 
decent hardware is spending significant time & $$(lots of green 
bean)tweaking my espresso blend. Maybe the criteria for a God Shot is a pull 
that everyone thinks is great.   For people unaware of Mark Prince's 
coffeegeek.com forum check it out if you need info on any aspect of 
espresso. David Schomers book is a nice reference.
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Noel V. Hong
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5) From: Dan Bollinger
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I agree, but with one exception.  You HAVE to face north when sipping.  It's
true.  Try it and see.  Dan
;)
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6) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Dan Bollinger" 
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It's
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Where do you face if you're at the North Pole?:-)
MM;-)
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7) From: John
TEXAS BOY! TEXAS!
On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 13:38, Mike McGinness wrote:
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8) From: Dan Bollinger
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Dunno, why don't you go and find out?  ;)
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9) From: NOEL HONG
I think the God Shot is a relative concept.  Personal 
taste/sensation/perception.  After struggling for over a decade using a 
Gaggia Coffee and different grinders I broke down and spent the relatively 
big $ on an IsomacTea/MazzerMini combo. Why? Relatively good temperature 
stability and pressure consistency(pre-infusion with repeatable smooth 
pressure build up to a sustainable ideal pressure).  Results: instead of the 
occasionally acceptable shot, routine good shots to occasional 
great-excellent shots.  Maybe even God Shots. The problem with owning some 
decent hardware is spending significant time & $$(lots of green 
bean)tweaking my espresso blend. Maybe the criteria for a God Shot is a pull 
that everyone thinks is great.   For people unaware of Mark Prince's 
coffeegeek.com forum check it out if you need info on any aspect of 
espresso. David Schomers book is a nice reference.
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Noel V. Hong
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10) From: Gary Zimmerman
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Dan Bollinger wrote:
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Mike McGinness wrote:
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Contemplate your navel and get crema on your nose.
-- garyZ
I feel a new T-shirt slogan coming on...
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11) From: R.N.Kyle
Thanks for the reply, I know you can get a good shot with the Gusto, =
Some people on the list and other list say it is very possible, and that =
the most important element is the grinder, I will keep trying , and =
enjoying americano's and caps until I get a good grinder like the Rocky, =
and then not only will I be able to enjoy better caps and americano's I =
may learn to make some very good straight espresso.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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12) From: Andrew Thomas
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South. The only other choices are up or down.
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13) From: Ben Treichel
Andrew Thomas wrote:
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Actually not. If you look down you are looking south ;-)
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14) From: Mark A. Chalkley
On Sunday, October 6, 2002, 5:20:14 PM, you wrote:
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MM> Funny:o) And funny thing is I too thought of it when I posted the North
MM> Pole. Warped minds think alike?;-)
Now, if you were John, we could blame it on the flu/bad cold/whatever
bug you want to call it.  I had it last week and now he has it.  But
he didn't catch it from me.  Unless he was in Maine.  But, since
you're not John, and haven't recently suffered from a fever, I guess
the warped minds explanation will have to do.  It's certainly not the
first time I've been accused of having one...
Mark C.
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15) From: Angelo
Can an atheist achieve a God shot?
I quite enjoy plain old Saint shots, myself....
Ciao,
Angelo
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16) From: John
Nah! Atheists don't believe in God Shots and so, put milk in their
coffee.. ignoring the commandment "Thou shall not adulterate!"
On Sun, 2002-10-06 at 22:59, Angelo wrote:
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17) From: Rick Farris
John wrote:
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Oh no!  We already have the 12 steps of the CSA (lending proof to the fact
that the A in CSA stands for "Anonymous," not "Association" or "America"),
now here come the ten commandments of the CSA!
My offering:
	Thou shalt not cover they neighbors stash, nor his Mazzer, nor his Livia...
-- Rick
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18) From: Dan Bollinger
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South. The only other choices are up or down.
  Actually not. If you look down you are looking south ;-) 
  Hey, If looking down is south, then looking up is north!  ;)  Dan

19) From: Dan Bollinger
"Thou shall not adulterate!"
LOL! 
 
OK, OK, but can I still covet another's Isomac?     Dan
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20) From: Ben Treichel
No, didn't you read what Rick said.
"
Thou shalt not cover they neighbors stash, nor his Mazzer, nor his Livia...
"
:-(
Dan Bollinger wrote:
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21) From: C. Marley
Rick Farris wrote:
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Here is my version of the complete CSA TEN COMMANDMENTS:
I Fresh home roasted Coffee is the lord of drink, that brought you out
of Maxwell House  and Yuban.
II Thou shalt not drink Coke or Tea before me.
III Thou shalt not swear by me before the world, because they might buy
up all the beans if they discover how good I am.
IV Remember to keep time set aside each third day for roasting.
V Honor Tom and Maria.
VI Thou shalt not kill thy coffee by using stale beans.
VII Thou shalt not adulterate with cream and sugar.
VIII Thou shalt not steal all the counter space in the kitchen with your
paraphernalia. 
IX Thou shalt not perjure thyself brewing nut or chocolate flavored
drinks and calling it coffee.
X Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors Livia or Mazzer or bean stash.
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22) From: John
Did anyone else hear thunder?
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 08:18, C. Marley wrote:
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23) From: Gary Zimmerman
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For the CSA, shouldn't this be "Thou shalt"?
-- garyZ
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24) From: Bart Frazee
On 06 Oct 2002 23:29:34 -0500, you wrote:
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Right on! One hundred CSA points for John.
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25) From: C. Marley
Gary Zimmerman wrote:
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No because your spouse may kick you out, and you and your paraphernalia
will be homeless.  The lord of drinks, home roasted coffee, needs a
home. 
-- 
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26) From: John
This subject has been the cause for a LOT of negotiation in our house.
It has caused me to review and practice all of my negotiation skills.
The rent of our counter space currently includes Godiva Chocolate and my
doing all the dishes.  Peace at any price!!
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 12:20, C. Marley wrote:
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27) From: Andrew Thomas
Inspiring, Cathy. I feel all reverent and pious just reading it. Except #VIII: I suggest, Thou shalt use ALL the counter space for coffee paraphernalia.
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28) From: C. Marley
Andrew Thomas wrote:
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I will have to revise VIII to read:
VIII Thou shalt not steal all the counter space in the kitchen with thy
paraphernalia, because home roasted coffee needs a home, and will not
have one if thy spouse insists thee take it elsewhere.
-- 
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29) From: AlChemist John
Sometime around 06:18 10/7/02, C. Marley typed:
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Sorry, just can't live with this one (too many of us break this one) 
..  Might I suggest
VII     Thou shalt not brew with water that is too hot or too cold.
or
VII     Thou shalt not adulterate with flavored syrups
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In this particular instance, I think coveting is OK, stealing is out.
X.      Thou shalt not steal thy neighbors beans, grinder or roaster (it is 
the roasting list after all)
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
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30) From: AlChemist John
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I just realized my last post did nothing but criticize.  Your CSA 10 
commandments are a nice bit of work.
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
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