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Topic: Lowest cost grinder for the Sylvia (was Re: +Any Silvia User?) (14 msgs / 256 lines)
1) From: Jim Schulman
It isn't the fineness of grind on the Maestro that's the problem, but the =
size of the steps.  I'm 
told that each step can make a 6 to 10 second difference on the Sylvia. Th=
e Tea and other E61 
machines are not as sensitive to grind variations as the Sylvia, since the=
 long preinfusion evens 
things out. 
The Rocky has about three or four clicks to each of the the Maestro's, so =
it's much more suited to 
commercial sized PFs in machines that have no pre-infusion, e.g. the Sylvi=
a, the Gaggias, or the 
Livia.
That being said, there's a distinct taste difference between a perfectly t=
imed 1 year old Maestro 
shot and that of the Rocky or any other commercial burr grinder. The comme=
rcial grinders produce 
less fines (i.e. dust). The fines overextract and add a touch of bitternes=
s and sourness to the 
shot which mask the more desirable flavors.
BTW, for espresso use, the Innova conical doserless sells at around $150, =
and produces an 
absolutely superb grind quality. This would be my recommendation as the lo=
west cost no excuses 
grinder suited for the Sylvia (or any other espresso machine). However, th=
is grinder, unlike the 
Rocky, is not conveniently usable with more than one type of coffee maker,=
 since the worm gear 
adjustment makes big changes in grind level a huge pain.
On 7 Oct 2002 at 10:18, Irene and Lubos Palounek wrote:
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2) From: EuropaChris
I partly agree with Jim.  I never had a step size issue with my 166.  But, I've got a bit of a tin tongue and won't throw out a shot if it's even close.  The issue with the Solis grinders is build 'robustness' and the ability for them to last grinding espresso for more than 6 months.  My Rocky indeed makes much better shots than the Solis ever did.
I'll also agree with the Innova recommendation.  HV over on alt.coffee has a Mini Moka, which is basically the same guts.  It does a beautiful job grinding, and I'd almost wager a bit better than a Rocky.  It shaves off nice little curls of coffee.  It also makes a horrendous mess!!!  It has a real static issue, and the coffee literally bounces out of the portafilter due to static charge repelling the coffee particles from each other.  It's also not as easy to adjust (worm screw) and I like that feature of the Rocky.  The clicks of adjustment are no hindrance to me (gee, if the Solis wasn't the Rocky sure wouldn't be, eh!).  Now, the Innova may not have the same static issue, but beware and be prepared to return it if it sprays your kitchen with espresso grinds.
Chris
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3) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Jim Schulman" 
 BTW, for espresso use, the Innova conical doserless sells at around
$150, and produces an
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lowest cost no excuses
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this grinder, unlike the
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since the worm gear
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Another 'hit' on the Innova, from my research, is grind hang. A big reason I
ruled it. My previous non espresso grinder was the Solis Mulino, terrible
grind hang. In this respect the Maestro was far superior, extremely little
grind hang. Reviews do indeed give the Innova high marks for grind quality,
substantially above the Maestro.
MM;-)
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4) From: Dan Bollinger
Mike, what about the other middle-weight, the Isomac Macinino?  100W,
conical burr, short chute, doserless, $170?  I've heard it is slow and
noisy.  Dan
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5) From: Jim Schulman
On 7 Oct 2002 at 10:14, Mike McGinness wrote:
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Yes. The Maestro may be the ergonomically best grinder out there; although the 
Mazzer Mini comes close at ca $400 ;) The Innova is noisy, messy, and slow; 
but it does grind great.
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6) From: EuropaChris
Grind hang?  Is that kind of like a dingleberry or Klingon???  Hmmm, anything like that monkey poop coffee???  :-)
Well, the Silvia doesn't have much of that (coffee remaining in the spout, that is).  A quick dab with the end of an espresso spoon up the spout clears it right out.  Just make sure the grinder is off, first.
Chris
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7) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Chris Beck" 
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anything like that monkey poop coffee???  :-)
Naw, more like thingamajig or whachamacallit. And that's marsupeal poop
coffee if you please:-)
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that is).  A quick dab with the end of an espresso spoon up the spout clears
it right out.  Just make sure the grinder is off, first.
Yes, when it comes to grinding Miss Silvia is in a class all her own:o)
True, the Innova work around is clearing the spout after each session.
However, it doesn't work well for my brewing style. Seldom the same bean
back to back. Even when making a cup for just Debi & I quite often
different. When making say four Americanos for four people there's every
likelihood they'll be four different beans. When making them back to back
could get some interesting blends though. However, I'd rather pay more than
get fed up after paying less and end up paying even more later! (been there,
done that more than once:-)
MM;-)
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8) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Dan Bollinger" 
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I haven't researched it:-(
MM;-)
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9) From: Isabel1130
I have had a Silvia for over two years now.  I almost bought a Rocky to go 
with it but fortunately Whole Latte Love was out of them (as was everyone 
else)  and the grinder was going to be several weeks behind the Silvia.  I 
got impatient, did some more research, canceled my order for the Rocky and 
ordered a Mazzer Mini from While Eagle Foods in Ohio.  I have never regretted 
the upgrade.   The Mazzer has been a wonderful grinder.  It and the Silvia 
keep ticking right along.   Isabel
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10) From: Jim Schulman
On 7 Oct 2002 at 14:51, Isabel1130 wrote:
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It's a great grinder, I love mine too. But hardly the lowest cost choice, though maybe 
the lowest cost "no compromises or hassles" choice.
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11) From: EuropaChris
Yeah, no doubt on the Mazzer.  Even MORE heavy duty guts than the Rocky (which already has the commercial MD40 grinder guts) and the true commercial exterior and doser.  I almost did the Mazzer, but the size put me off.  Just a bit too tall to go under the counters.
Chris
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12) From: Bruce Harlick
Chris,
That's my dilemna with the Mini as well. I think I'm going to have a
friend help me cut down the hopper when I do get one, and see if that
fits under the cabinets. If not, maybe I'll force a space for it when
the kitchen gets done.
Bruce
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13) From: Isabel1130
In a message dated 10/07/2002 2:35:25 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
foxbat writes:
<< That's my dilemma with the Mini as well. I think I'm going to have a
 friend help me cut down the hopper when I do get one, and see if that
 fits under the cabinets. If not, maybe I'll force a space for it when
 the kitchen gets done. >>
Chris, I think you might be able to find a shorter hopper and install it.  Or 
find a good shop where than can accurately cut plastic.  My Mazzer will 
actually fit under the counter if the top is off the hopper.  Begging the 
question I guess of how you can actually get the beans in.....:-)  Isabel
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14) From: M.G.Rich
I use a Gaggia MDF grinder for my Silvia. I'm happy with it, though I have
little to compare it to.  Easy to clean. Lots of grind gradations -- though
I wonder why you need them all. Why do people need settings so wide you're
practically just chopping the beans in two?
I bought it refurbished, so it was less than $150. That seems a lot of bang
for the buck.
M.G. Rich, grinding away at midterm time
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