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1) From: R.N.Kyle
Well here it goes. Panama Songbird
First the cupping scores as Tom does his.
Zip Lock Bag 
Wet Aroma 1
Brightness    1
Flavor          2
Body           1.5
Finish           3
add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
total score 60.5  
this storage is the worst . This coffee was totally stale in all =
aspects.  
Vacuum sealed
Wet Aroma  2
Brightness    6.5
Flavor          5
Body            2
Finish            4
add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
total score  71
This was a very mild coffee, bright with a smooth finish
somewhat flat thought, with a dull flavor
Vacuum sealed with O2 packet
Vacuum sealed
Wet Aroma  3
Brightness    7
Flavor          4.5
Body            2
Finish            6
add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
total score  74.5
I notice only slight differences in this compared to the Vac sealed. =
Although it was brighter it was also more flat then the vac sealed. =
thought I caught a slight hint of tobacco ?
Fresh 3 days rest and a trip to other coast.
Vacuum sealed
Wet Aroma  3.5
Brightness    8.5
Flavor          7
Body            3
Finish            6.5
add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
total score  80.5
There is no comparison with Fresh, and 30 days storage. This was by far =
the best of the bunch. It had a nice coffee aroma, wet and dry, it lit =
the taste buds up with its brightness, and although a mild coffee, had a =
nice mouth feel
 and a medium finish, with a spicy like pepper finish, which tended to =
linger for a while.
Conclusion
(zip lock ) is not the way to store beans for long term. The coffee was =
completely stale in the full range of the cupping.
(Vac Sealed)  A suitable method for short term storage, although after =
30 days, this coffee was drinkable, but not really good.
(Vac Sealed with 02 packet) I could not notice very much advantage to =
this method of storage over the Vac Sealed.
This coffee was drinkable but still not good. It was IMO flatter in =
flavor then the Vac sealed. although scoring slightly higher. I'm not =
sure where the hint of tobacco came from, but it wasn't in the cup of =
the Vac sealed. I even noticed it in the bean, and in the ground coffee.
(Fresh 3 days rest an a trip to the other coast) This was a very =
pleasant change, It had a great aroma, bean and in the grind, The =
brightness was there as expected in a Panama, light medium body, with a =
nice lingering finish, spicy, like peppery finish. I would like this as =
an After dinner coffee.
OF course we were not cupping the coffee per say, just the storage. I =
feel that none of the storage methods was good enough to maintain =
freshness and flavor. 30 days and a trip across the country certainly =
took its toll on the Songbird.
I also wonder if the Food Saver Vacuum System, only pulling 25 and =
leaving about 17 percent O2 in the bag is the answer for long term =
storage, I think this added to the trip across country in a plane and a =
hot mail hack, to the low cupping scores of the 30 day old coffee. I've =
never kept any coffee more then a week. and it is kept in a fairly =
stable temp and humidity. so I don't know if the above is true.
Thanks Mike for the hard work in preparing, and the cost of shipping the =
Songbird. I really enjoyed the storage test, and it tested my patience =
waiting 30 days. 
I will be interested in your cupping results on the 20th of this month =
and await your findings.
I was as honest as I could be, and this is certainly not a judgment on =
your roasting abilities. The beans all appeared to be to the same degree =
of roast, and this attests to your diligence in the art of profiling  a =
roast to its origin.  thanks Again
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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2) From: Mark A. Chalkley
Very interesting, Ron.  Nice job!
I wonder if there's some sort of inverse correlation between oxygen
absorbtion and acidity.  The lower-acidity Kona seemed to benefit from
the Fresh-pak, while the Panama didn't.  John noted similar results
with the Jamaican - perhaps for the same reason.
As is usual with such tests, we often end up with some answers and
more questions...
Mark C.
On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, 9:42:02 PM, you wrote:
RNK> Well here it goes. Panama Songbird
RNK> First the cupping scores as Tom does his.
RNK> Zip Lock Bag 
RNK> Wet Aroma 1
RNK> Brightness    1
RNK> Flavor          2
RNK> Body           1.5
RNK> Finish           3
RNK> add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
RNK> total score 60.5  
RNK> this storage is the worst . This coffee was totally stale in all aspects.  
RNK> Vacuum sealed
RNK> Wet Aroma  2
RNK> Brightness    6.5
RNK> Flavor          5
RNK> Body            2
RNK> Finish            4
RNK> add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
RNK> total score  71
RNK> This was a very mild coffee, bright with a smooth finish
RNK> somewhat flat thought, with a dull flavor
RNK> Vacuum sealed with O2 packet
RNK> Vacuum sealed
RNK> Wet Aroma  3
RNK> Brightness    7
RNK> Flavor          4.5
RNK> Body            2
RNK> Finish            6
RNK> add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
RNK> total score  74.5
RNK> I notice only slight differences in this compared to the Vac sealed. Although it was brighter it was also more flat then the vac sealed. thought I caught a slight hint of tobacco ?
RNK> Fresh 3 days rest and a trip to other coast.
RNK> Vacuum sealed
RNK> Wet Aroma  3.5
RNK> Brightness    8.5
RNK> Flavor          7
RNK> Body            3
RNK> Finish            6.5
RNK> add the cuppers correction of 2 and the 50
RNK> total score  80.5
RNK> There is no comparison with Fresh, and 30 days storage. This was by far the best of the bunch. It had a nice coffee aroma, wet and dry, it lit the taste buds up with its brightness, and although
RNK> a mild coffee, had a nice mouth feel
RNK>  and a medium finish, with a spicy like pepper finish, which tended to linger for a while.
RNK> Conclusion
RNK> (zip lock ) is not the way to store beans for long term. The coffee was completely stale in the full range of the cupping.
RNK> (Vac Sealed)  A suitable method for short term storage, although after 30 days, this coffee was drinkable, but not really good.
RNK> (Vac Sealed with 02 packet) I could not notice very much advantage to this method of storage over the Vac Sealed.
RNK> This coffee was drinkable but still not good. It was IMO flatter in flavor then the Vac sealed. although scoring slightly higher. I'm not sure where the hint of tobacco came from, but it wasn't
RNK> in the cup of the Vac sealed. I even noticed it in the bean, and in the ground coffee.
RNK> (Fresh 3 days rest an a trip to the other coast) This was a very pleasant change, It had a great aroma, bean and in the grind, The brightness was there as expected in a Panama, light medium
RNK> body, with a nice lingering finish, spicy, like peppery finish. I would like this as an After dinner coffee.
RNK> OF course we were not cupping the coffee per say, just the storage. I feel that none of the storage methods was good enough to maintain freshness and flavor. 30 days and a trip across the
RNK> country certainly took its toll on the Songbird.
RNK> I also wonder if the Food Saver Vacuum System, only pulling 25 and leaving about 17 percent O2 in the bag is the answer for long term storage, I think this added to the trip across country in a
RNK> plane and a hot mail hack, to the low cupping scores of the 30 day old coffee. I've never kept any coffee more then a week. and it is kept in a fairly stable temp and humidity. so I don't know
RNK> if the above is true.
RNK> Thanks Mike for the hard work in preparing, and the cost of shipping the Songbird. I really enjoyed the storage test, and it tested my patience waiting 30 days. 
RNK> I will be interested in your cupping results on the 20th of this month and await your findings.
RNK> I was as honest as I could be, and this is certainly not a judgment on your roasting abilities. The beans all appeared to be to the same degree of roast, and this attests to your diligence in
RNK> the art of profiling  a roast to its origin.  thanks Again
RNK> Ron Kyle
RNK> Anderson SC
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3) From: R.N.Kyle
Hey Mark, I was hoping that someone else would have chosen the Songbird, =
so we could have compared each others results. You brought up an =
interesting point, about the acidity, not fairing as well with the O2 =
packs.. Mike and Les are going to be cupping the storage test Kona on =
Sunday, I will be interest in their results. 
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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