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Topic: HotTop Roaster from the UK (16 msgs / 460 lines)
1) From: R.N.Kyle
I don't know what Tom would recommend, I was thinking that the Alps =
would be a good alternative, it roast 1/2 lb. it is a drum roaster, and =
at $289 with 8 lbs. of beans included from SM sounds like a good option. =
I know Its not a Hot Top, but for the money and the availability, and =
good Customer Service from Swiss Mar. it sounds like a good deal.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

2) From: DJ Garcia
Here's the response I finallty got back from Ian Escreet at La
Macchinetta Ltd. I am tempted ...
The new Hearthware should be better than my current Rosto, but not 'til
next Feb / Mar at the earliest, and then no improvement on capacity.
From what has been said, it appears the HT would be much better, and
there's nothing else under $2K that I know of.
Any alternatives out there? Tom and Maria?
DJ

3) From: Michael Vanecek
Alpenrost still has my vote currently - I don't use any of the presets 
and do it all manual and still come out with incredibly consistent 
roasts, so there's no real complaint currently. It's priced to sell too 
- $289 with 8lbs of beans - makes me wanna buy a third one. :)
Plus, there's that darned irritating confidentiality clause at the end 
of HT's email - prohibited from reading the email and they put that at 
the *end* of the message? Sheesh, a tremendous amount of thought went 
into *that* clause. Okay - not that it should be an indicator of the 
HotTop quality - but those kinds of things in casually sent emails 
always turn me off. If it was *that* serious, they should make you 
commit to a non-disclosure agreement before conversing with you.
Get an Alp. Heh - or hold out for a Pro1500. :)
Have fun,
Mike
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4) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
Michael wrote that "...there's that darned irritating confidentiality clause
at the end of HT's email..."
Michael, there is no confidentiality clause on emails from HotTop (HT)
designers and manufacturers in Taiwan. You probably mean the confidentiality
clause at the end of email from the British importer, La Macchinetta, Ltd,
don't you?
That Confidentiality clause clearly states:
"If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify us immediately by
telephone or by replying to the e-mail to info or La
Macchinetta Ltd, Unit 18 Bank Crest, Baildon, BD17 5EZ Telephone: 01274
589693 and delete it from your system."
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5) From: Michael Vanecek
Yeah, that the importer one. Hee - HT was easier for this tired badly 
needing sleep poster to write.
At least they could be posted at the *beginning* of the message. I see 
these all the time on various lists used casually by posters sending 
mail from company computers or whatnot - the fact that I'm forbidden to 
read something - *after* I've read it is what irritates me - even if I'm 
supposed to read it. Don't want me to read it? Warn me beforehand. 
Mistake or no. Or ditch the clause altogether in favor for ND agreements.
Anyway - just a rant. Sorry. Move on, nothing happening here...
Cheers,
Mike
Disclaimer: For your eyes only. Any other eyes seeing this needs to be 
ripped out and flushed. After flushing, please contact me about the 
breach of security. :) <-- Disclaimer II: Smiley face means "joke". Ha 
ha snort hee he...oh never mind, I'm going to bed...
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6) From: Art Lawson
The postscript  says: -- if this isn't your email don't read it and don't do
anything else with it -- that's all. What is your problem with that? Why do
you think of it as a confidentiality clause?

7) From: Michael Vanecek
Once again - it says "don't read it"....*after* the fact - at the *end* 
of the message. And it in itself clearly states that it's a 
confidentiality clause.
Let's please move on, this is just a little pet peeve of mine, not 
trying to start a war here. Sorry for bringing it up...
Cheers,
Mike
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8) From: Dan Bollinger
My armchair evaluation of the Alp is its thermally massive heating elements
prevent a rapid cool-down.  Does anyone have an experience with the Alp and
can comment on this?  Dan

9) From: DJ Garcia
I'd like to thank everyone for their feedback - I'll come out of the
shadows again when I decide one way or another to partake od the
experience.
I have one question to those who already have a HT prototype - how
readily would you trade it for an Alps if given $200 with it? Without
much fuss? You'd have to really think about it? No way Jose?
Thanks again, and judging from the various responses that evolved, this
crowd is definitely drinking way too much coffee and staying up too late
:-).
Cheers,
DJ
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10) From: Michael Vanecek
I don't have one yet, but I'd consider making an HT a third roaster to 
compliment my two Alps. Hmmm - make that fourth - the Hearthware 
Precision. Oops - fifth - forgot my West Bend II popper. Hee - us and 
our toys. :)
Cheers,
Mike
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11) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
" ... those who already have a HT prototype - how readily would you trade it
for an Alps if given $200 with it?"
No way, DJ. Perhaps if you change that to at least $2,000 ...
Regards, Lubos
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12) From: Fulton Martin
--On Friday, November 01, 2002 7:07 PM -0500 DJ Garcia 
 wrote:
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I'm in the "No way Jose" camp. Mine's done great roasts from day one; 
it may be serendipity, or just the right voltage, or...? It's a bit of 
a pain to clean out, and roasting more than one batch in a row requires 
some extra cooling (which the new chip may solve) but being able to 
*see* the roast and not having to worry about the size of the beans 
make it worth it for me.
Fulton Martin
__=o&o>__
fulton
San Diego, CA
N32 43.956, W117 05.874
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13) From: DJ Garcia
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I thought so :-)
Thank you for the feedback!
DJ
Sucker for a good 1/2 lb. roaster you can hear and see the beans in ...
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14) From: R.N.Kyle
Thanks for the detailed Hot Top review Bob, I added to my Hot Top =
folder. I keep a record of reports from the list members, on Items on my =
wish list, for future review.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

15) From: Bob Briggs
I'm among the early-adopters of the HotTop, and I've had my ups and
downs using this machine.  I wouldn't trade it for a second Alp for
under $1000, though.  I like my Alp, but it suffers from the cool-Alp
syndrome - it neither roasts hot enough nor cools quick enough.  In
regard to the HotTop, the original chip roasted too dark for me even on
setting 1 using 250 grams of beans.  After dozens (and more dozens) of
roasts experimenting with different bean loads, voltages (with variac),
and even adding moisture to the beans, I've finally become almost
completely happy with the HTR.  I now roast 300 grams using a
special-made cooler/slower chip.  Setting 3 yields a very nice City
roast, my preference for most uses.  My beans are all fresh from Tom,
but they are (or quickly become) very dry.  Adding 5% more moisture to
my beans slows the roast down dramatically in the HTR.
For any of you looking to procure a HotTop, my feeling is you should
wait if you can.  The company is still changing and updating their
program (which has not compensated adequately for voltage/moisture
variations in the past).  There are issues with the drum bearings as
well, which may or may not have been adequately addressed with the
latest revision.  On the up-side, the machine is fantastic for near
silence, cooling the beans, and for hearing/seeing/smelling the roast. 
If they fix the program and the drum bearings it's a near perfect
machine.
I hope Baratza is still open to importing the HTR in the future, I'd
like another.
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16) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
"Adding 5% more moisture to my beans slows the roast down dramatically..."
wrote Bob.
How do you measure the moisture content of your beans, Bob? How do you
increase it by 5%?
We, too, are early HotTop adopters and like it.  Our HotTop seems to run
"hot"; I am still waiting for the updated chip etc (being in Texas, it takes
several more days to get mail from Baratza than to most places in the USA.)
I am puzzled why some people have "cool running HotTops" and others have
"hot running" units. Ours seem to be in the "hot running" group. Perhaps the
HotTops are all running the same and some people have more moisture in their
green beans and other less moisture? Our green beans are also  from Sweet
Maria's Tom, but I do not know whether they "quickly become very dry". Our
green beans are stored in cloth bags in the same home environment in which
we live -- right now 70F and 60% RH. Perhaps we should weight the beans as
soon as they come and weight again just before roasting?
I am sending a copy of this note to Shelly (and Kyra) - perhaps she has
something to say about the bean moisture level.  Both Shelly and Kyra are
always very helpful. (Thank you again, Shelly and Kyra, for all your help.)
Regards, Lubos
P.S.
We are also quite happy with our HotTop and, as you wrote, also hope that
"Baratza is still open to importing the HotTop in the future." I know
several people who are ready to buy.
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Bob Briggs wrote:
I'm among the early-adopters of the HotTop, and I've had my ups and downs
using this machine.  I wouldn't trade it for a second Alp for under $1000,
though.  I like my Alp, but it suffers from the cool-Alp syndrome - it
neither roasts hot enough nor cools quick enough.  In regard to the HotTop,
the original chip roasted too dark for me even on setting 1 using 250 grams
of beans.  After dozens (and more dozens) of roasts experimenting with
different bean loads, voltages (with variac), and even adding moisture to
the beans, I've finally become almost completely happy with the HTR.  I now
roast 300 grams using a special-made cooler/slower chip.  Setting 3 yields a
very nice City roast, my preference for most uses.  My beans are all fresh
from Tom, but they are (or quickly become) very dry.  Adding 5% more
moisture to my beans slows the roast down dramatically in the HTR.
For any of you looking to procure a HotTop, my feeling is you should wait if
you can.  The company is still changing and updating their program (which
has not compensated adequately for voltage/moisture variations in the past).
There are issues with the drum bearings as well, which may or may not have
been adequately addressed with the latest revision.  On the up-side, the
machine is fantastic for near silence, cooling the beans, and for
hearing/seeing/smelling the roast. If they fix the program and the drum
bearings it's a near perfect machine.
I hope Baratza is still open to importing the HTR in the future, I'd like
another.
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