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Topic: Yet more on Zach and Dani's roaster (8 msgs / 241 lines)
1) From: Zara Haimo
I heard from their customer service department that:
You can buy their roaster separately, but it's the same price as the package
which includes a whirly grinder, some green beans, and various other odds
and ends - not exactly a customer oriented company like our hosts for this
list.
Their roaster will be sold through Great Indoors stores starting in a few
days - they didn't say what the price would be, but it would be just a
roaster and a pound of their beans, not the larger package with the grinder
they have on their own website.  Unfortunately, I don't live near a Great
Indoors store, so I won't be able to take a look at the roaster there.
I'm still intrigued by their smokeless claim - if it's really true and if
the roast quality is good, this may be the next roaster for me until HotTop
gets its act together.  If anyone sees one demonstrated or tries one out,
please let us all know how well it works.
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2) From: Mark A. Chalkley
Assuming it's the same place, they have a web site at
www.thegreatindoors.com, but it doesn't yet have the roasters listed
on it.  I don't live near one of their stores, either.  It would at
least be interesting to see one.  If The Great Indoors does start to
carry it on their web site for a reasonable price, it would be worth
checking to see what their return policy is, I guess.  I just can't
imagine it's any good, given the fact that the Zach and Dani web site
says almost nothing about it.  That's not the best way I know of to
inspire confidence in a product.  Or sell one, either, for that
matter.  When their "How to brew" section claimed to be "everything
you need to know" and didn't even mention the existence of vac pots, I
began to feel like I was wasting my time.  Maybe it's just a case of
the marketing boys underestimating the intelligence of consumers
(again), while the engineers did a wonderful job, but that would sure
be beating the odds.  I hope someone buys one, compares it to the
three or four roasters they already own, and pronounces it excellent,
but I'm not holding my breath.
Mark C.
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, 1:03:59 AM, Zara Haimo wrote:
ZH> I heard from their customer service department that:
ZH> You can buy their roaster separately, but it's the same price as the package
ZH> which includes a whirly grinder, some green beans, and various other odds
ZH> and ends - not exactly a customer oriented company like our hosts for this
ZH> list.
ZH> Their roaster will be sold through Great Indoors stores starting in a few
ZH> days - they didn't say what the price would be, but it would be just a
ZH> roaster and a pound of their beans, not the larger package with the grinder
ZH> they have on their own website.  Unfortunately, I don't live near a Great
ZH> Indoors store, so I won't be able to take a look at the roaster there.
ZH> I'm still intrigued by their smokeless claim - if it's really true and if
ZH> the roast quality is good, this may be the next roaster for me until HotTop
ZH> gets its act together.  If anyone sees one demonstrated or tries one out,
ZH> please let us all know how well it works.
ZH>
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3) From: Dave Huddle
I'm real skeptical of this roaster, BUT, there is a Great Indoors store
about 5 miles from me.
I'll have to check it out - but I HATE going to the mall in November &
December.
Dave	Westerville, OH
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4) From: Mark A. Chalkley
Dave,
I'm very skeptical too, but if you get a chance to look at it, I'm
listening!  But I'm not about to _ask_ you to go to the mall this time
of year.  Now, if we heard they were carrying HotTops for $250, that
would be different...  ;>)
Mark C.
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, 8:32:42 AM, Dave Huddle wrote:
DH> I'm real skeptical of this roaster, BUT, there is a Great Indoors store
DH> about 5 miles from me.
DH> I'll have to check it out - but I HATE going to the mall in November &
DH> December.
DH> Dave    Westerville, OH
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5) From: Simpson
In keeping with the marketing idea that one must simplify, simplify,
simplify, I *think* the ZAD people are just trying to follow in other
successful TV marketers. How many choruses of "Set it and forget it!" have
we heard on infomercials, and how few "Set it to the profile number
indicated in the 400 page owner's manual in Appendix C by matching bean
type cross-referenced with charge weight. Remember to estimate percentage
of bound water in the green sample and provide the correction factor from
Table 1, Appendix O..."
They would sell about 20. 10 would be returned after Christmas.
It is an interesting fact that a person who has some cachet amongst us
homers, Ken Davids, has apparently been involved in some sort of technical
consulting role with these folks and IIRC is on record as liking the roast
produced by this unit.
I am not saying that it is good or bad, just that it is an empirical
question open to answer through systematic inquiry as opposed to guessing
based on what is said or unsaid on their website.
Mike, come on back from the Kona State and get to comparing this roaster to
its peers! Don't forget to invite us all to the blind tasting...
Ted
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On 11/7/2002 at 1:35 AM Mark A. Chalkley wrote:
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6) From: Mark A. Chalkley
Ted,
I very much agree that most folks want a "set it and forget it"
approach to everything.   I often get started with something that way
myself, if only because it's usually less expensive (strange enough),
more commonly available, and I'm more likely to get a good idea of
whether it's worth pursuing long-term that way.  (I'm using a HWI
roaster these days, myself, so I'm certainly not going to bash the
"set it and forget it" mentality, though I would now rather have
something allowing more control over the profile, and will before too
long.)
I hadn't seen any info on Ken Davids' being involved with the product
in any way, but that's very interesting to me.  I wouldn't take that
as necessarily evidence that it puts the Z&D into upper echelon status
sight unseen, but if true, it sure makes me more anxious to evaluate
one, or read an evaluation by somebody I trust.  Do you have any more
info on Davids' involvement?
Mark C.
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, 6:10:18 PM, Simpson wrote:
S> In keeping with the marketing idea that one must simplify, simplify,
S> simplify, I *think* the ZAD people are just trying to follow in other
S> successful TV marketers. How many choruses of "Set it and forget it!" have
S> we heard on infomercials, and how few "Set it to the profile number
S> indicated in the 400 page owner's manual in Appendix C by matching bean
S> type cross-referenced with charge weight. Remember to estimate percentage
S> of bound water in the green sample and provide the correction factor from
S> Table 1, Appendix O..."
S> They would sell about 20. 10 would be returned after Christmas.
S> It is an interesting fact that a person who has some cachet amongst us
S> homers, Ken Davids, has apparently been involved in some sort of technical
S> consulting role with these folks and IIRC is on record as liking the roast
S> produced by this unit.
S> I am not saying that it is good or bad, just that it is an empirical
S> question open to answer through systematic inquiry as opposed to guessing
S> based on what is said or unsaid on their website.
S> Mike, come on back from the Kona State and get to comparing this roaster to
S> its peers! Don't forget to invite us all to the blind tasting...
S> Ted
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7) From: Ben Treichel
Mark A. Chalkley wrote:
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I would be interested also, so far it gives me the feel of being the 
chia pet of roasters.
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8) From: Simpson
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On 11/7/2002 at 6:22 PM Mark A. Chalkley wrote:
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Here's a snippet from an email from the company in response to a question
about cooling rate; I thought it was long. They said I could discuss this
on alt.coffee and I guess Tom will have to direct us here, so:
"I'll mention that the fan in the Zach & Dani's roaster blows a bit more
volume during the cool cycle than during the roast cycle. I'm not sure of
the temperature profile during cooling, but perhaps as it exists, the first
few minutes of the cool cycle cools the beans nearly all the way anyway. I
may run some experiments and begin a discussion on this topic with the
engineers. I don't think the word "muted" has bounced around much over
here. Kenneth Davids probably would have mentioned it during the early
phases of development if that were his interpretation."
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