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Topic: Tampers (46 msgs / 1020 lines)
1) From: gin
YEAH, this weeks tune is Grandma Got Run Over By a TAMPER... 
Pushing 20 pounds on Christmas Eve
Some folks say they don't believe in Santa
but me and Grandpa, we believe...
Sliding down inside the portafilter
Grandma got caught up in coffee grounds
When she came up she was choking brown stuff
and blowing full city all around
Grandma Got Run Over By a Tamper...
I must stop
ginny
No, but rumor has it that Les has one that plays the coffee song when you reach 30#

2) From: gin
no,but if I had some ingredients I might!

3) From: ginny
I have discovered that a convex tamper works better for the less powerful espresso machines, for me.
Why, I have no idea.
But I have tested this and on my bright red Francis Francis X5, tamping with the Thor convex gets better results than any flat tamper regardless of make, price or model.
ginny

4) From: Dale A. Taylor
Hey Les, I hear you are pretty good at making tampers. I would like to have
one made if you have the time and want to do it. Let me know if you will and
tell me how to get in touch with you for more info. Thanks, dale
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5) From: Gary
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Has anyone been able to try the new tampers that "click" when 30 lbs of
pressure has been exerted. Any comments on them ... how well do they work?

6) From: alfred
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No, but rumor has it that Les has one that plays the coffee song when =
you reach 30#

7) From: Chris Tacy
I've tested the "Clicker" from Espresso Parts through a couple of iterations.
It's a valuable training tool for us - we train at least a dozen
people a week, and we train "on site" at least once a month. So the
price is not an issue, and the convenience is an issue. These are the
caveats - grin.
Now... obviously the above will not be true for everyone.
Would I have one for home? I don't know... they're expensive and
they're probably overkill. They're better than a bathroom scale - but
a bathroom scale probably does a good enough job.
They've got good "fetish" and "boast" value.
They work really well.
Shrug
-c
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8) From: Dennis Parham
hehe... its probably good for arthritis too...hmmmmm (rememebr the 
clickers??) ........ just kidding but think about it... seriously!! lol 
(no one in particular ... just a thought...lol)
Happy Holidays!
Dennis Parham
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9) From: Xerxes Lee
i think there is one from espro too. would those be the same? copy cat?
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10) From: Les
Ginny,
Have you been eating those brownies again?
Les
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11) From: David M. Lewis
At 3:16 PM -0700 12/23/04, Gary wrote:
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I haven't tried one of the clickers, but I do have a Dezco tamper 
which limits pressure to 30 lbs. It works, but I've gone away from it 
back to a Staub tamp with a smaller tamper, which seems in my case at 
least to give more even compaction. For one thing, in my baskets, the 
flat bottom of the Dezco tamper seemed to result in the pour starting 
around the edges; I think the convex tamper I'm using for the Staub 
tamp results in a more even cake thickness in these baskets. Mine is 
57 mm, and if anybody wants it, contact me off-list; I'd sell it for 
half the price of a new one plus shipping. Check it out here: 
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Best,
	David
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"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary 
depends upon his not understanding it."
	-- Upton Sinclair

12) From: AlChemist John
"INSTRUCTION:
Place the DEZCO tamper on your portafilter
Push on the handle until it touche the base. Dont mind, any exceeding 
pressure WONT go on your ground!"
Doesn't physics say extra pressure HAS to go on the grounds if it is fully 
compressed to the base?
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13) From: Justin Marquez
Since when has physics got in the way of marketing?
Safe Journeys and Sweet Music
Justin Marquez (Snyder, TX)http://www.justinandlinda.comOn Wed, 29 Dec 2004 06:21:13 -0800, AlChemist John  wrote:
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14) From: Jared Andersson
"Doesn't physics say extra pressure HAS to go on the grounds if it is
fully compressed to the base?"
If I am not mistaken I think there is a tiny black hole/event horizon
between the handle and the piece that contacts the coffee.  Jared
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15) From: Peter Schmidt
John,
  Once one correctly understands and applies the principles of "String
Theory" it's easy to see how the frequencies of the strings in the tamper's
shaft can be re-tuned so that they will only transfer 30lbs. of
energy/pressure and anything over that will be diverted to one of the other
10 dimensions in the overlaying universe.
  Hit me off list for a more detailed description.....
peter schmidt, full of mullarkey in M'waukee

16) From: Les
I have a new design for a Thor tamper that will break at 30 pounds of
pressure.  The only problem is they are only good for a one time use! 
I guess I could sell them in 12 packs. :>))  I think these click toys
are good learning tools, but they take the art and thought process out
of espresso.
Les
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17) From: Ben Treichel
Peter Schmidt wrote:
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I think you should be hit on list for that description!! ;-)

18) From: David M. Lewis
Hi John,
No, it's not clear from the picture, but there's a piston inside the 
base that's spring-loaded from the handle. As you press down, the 
force goes into the piston and thence to the coffee until the spring 
is compressed enough for the handle to touch the base. After that, 
any further force is transmitted through the base into the rim of the 
filter basket, on which the base is resting. Thus it's consistent and 
level. A nice design, just not right for me.
Best,
	David
At 6:21 AM -0800 12/29/04, AlChemist John wrote:
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19) From: Clifton Burkett
I have a couple of different tampers and I notice I get varied results =
if I
switch between them. Some seem to be harder to get a straight-down even =
tamp
with for me due to a different grip required for different length of =
handle,
etc. What are some of the tricks people use with different tampers?  My
first tamp, twist and polish is at moderate pressure to get an even top =
to
the grinds followed by the real full pressure tamp tamp, twist and =
polish.
Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with 
Odie the Corgi and  Garfield the Tabby

20) From: David M. Lewis
At 6:57 AM -0500 2/22/05, Clifton Burkett wrote:
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That's why the way a tamper fits your particular hand is so 
important, and why most of us have wound up with a few of them. I 
won't go into the "how to tamp" stuff since it's been so often 
covered here.
Best,
	David
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"A fool and his money are soon elected."
	- Kinky Friedman

21) From: Dennis Parham
for me.. leveling is quite easy.. I just lightly jiggle the grinds down 
into place with the weight of the tamper (SS)... tappity tap tap.. .. 
then a strait down tamp and twist... tap.. tapp... full tamp twist, 
tap, tap, quick full tamp twist ,and polish.. as im loading into 
grouphead I verify with my eyes it is all level and sides are clean... 
but..I already know this by that time... sometimes I take a quick sniff 
of the grinds for that last exhilarating aroma coming from my 
portafilter... or fumble with the fact I do not have a cup warm or my 
Americano mug is still in the Kitchen cabinet.. so I say...WELL FITZ!! 
or something like that ;-)) , run into the Kitchen and get my cup and 
come back.. lock in portafilter and pull shot!! hehe Thats because most 
of mys shots at early in the morning... lol
Dennis
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22) From: DJ Garcia
I found that the last tamper I got from Les, which was shorter than the
ones I'd been using, was the perfect size for me - I have much better
control. Sometimes less from Les is more. Thanks, Les!
DJ

23) From: Clifton Burkett
I may have to see about getting one with a shorter handle! 
Clif - SomeWhere in Florida with 
Odie the Corgi and  Garfield the Tabby

24) From: Les
Clif,
I make them any way you want them!
Les
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25) From: Gregg Talton
Is there any benefit to a convex or concave tamper?  It seems that
most professionals use flat tampers.
Thanks!
Gregg

26) From: John Blumel
On Jun 16, 2005, at 10:54 am, Gregg Talton wrote:
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Theoretically and according to Schomer, a convex tamper helps "with  
the problem of particle distribution in the ground coffee."
Of course, this is pretty vague and meaningless by itself but I  
believe what he means is that even distribution around the edges of  
the puck is the most difficult to achieve and that a convex tamper  
helps with this by forcing grounds out toward the edges of the puck,  
as well as simply compacting it.
I can't conceive of a reason why a concave tamper would be  
advantageous but perhaps someone else can explain.
However, I think the most important factor, and the one hardest to  
evaluate prior to purchase, is that the tamper feel "right" in your  
hand. Handle lengths and shapes, overall weight and weight  
distribution and other factors can all vary greatly and some  
combinations of these may feel awkward while others will feel just  
right.
John Blumel

27) From: David M. Lewis
At 9:54 AM -0500 6/16/05, Gregg Talton wrote:
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To some extent, it depends on technique and basket shape. With the 
baskets on my Techno, and a bottomless portafilter, I get an evenly 
distributed starting pattern with a slightly convex tamper. With a 
flat tamper, the flow starts in a ring around the outside. I think 
with baskets whose walls are straight all the way down, the results 
might be different. The surface shape and distribution of the shower 
screen also may well make a difference.
Best,
	David
-- 
"A fool and his money are soon elected."
	- Kinky Friedman

28) From: HeatGunRoast heatgunroast
FWIW, Early on, I got quite a nice convex, and rejected it. 
Consistently inferior shots.  Recently, I've experimented with
Schulman's (experimental) grind finer/tamp lighter protocol.  On a
hunch, I tried the convex again, and I'm close to thinking that it's
superior to the flat under these circumstances.  Bottom line?  I agree
that there's probably no "best" choice.  If I were recommending only
one tamper, it would be flat.  But the real answer is that you won't
(should not) be satisfied, fulfilled, complete until you own several
tampers----and even then you may still be wondering which one is best.
Martin
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29) From: Gregg Talton
That's what I'm thinking... I need one of each to experiment.  I'm
planning to order a Thor later this summer when we get moved.
Gregg
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30) From: Les
I make them convex, concave, and flat! I am using a convex these days. Some=
 
times I use my flat one. I find that having a nice level and even basket of=
 
of coffee before tamping makes the biggest difference.
 Les
 On 6/16/05, Gregg Talton  wrote: 
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31) From: John Blumel
On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:56 pm, Gregg Talton wrote:
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You might want to look into some of the tampers with interchangeable  
handles and bases. You can get the bases and handles in aluminum or  
stainless steel and the handles in different lengths and shapes, then  
swap them around to find a combination you like.
John Blumel

32) From: miKe mcKoffee
Not all convex tampers are created equal. Greg was having challenges with 
his shots, been using a clicker convex. Lots of discussion of it's 30# click 
and some tamping lighter many of us tamping heavier. I believe it was Les 
who noticed that the clicker's convex curve was extreme. I compared it to my 
Reg Barber convex and sure enough, the clicker has about to have about twice 
the curve as the RB! Which led us all to conclude it was about impossible to 
get an even thickness puck with the clicker.
Speaking of the Reg used it to pull a quite interesting shot this afternoon, 
a Post PNWGIII Monkey! IIRC it was comprised of Mexican Pluma, EC Miel, 
three different Harrar roasts, Panama LaBerlina, Australian Mt Top, and 
something else or two but forget what. Dumped 'em all in a bowl and mixed, 
vac'd two quart jars to freezer, ground 8 of those little 4cupper vac'd and 
frozen bags for Debi to take to work then made a 5+5 Cafe' Crema Amercano 
Debi & I shared which was quite good, followed by a triple ristretto which 
was also very good. (Kept the left over JBM, Moki & Wood's separate, no left 
over ISH;-)
Taking a break from PNWGIII continuing clean-up recovery mode. Finished 
finding the kitchen, even the floor! (just finished the rinse mopping...)
Ultimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path traveled by many. 
To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal 
enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who 
have gone before.
miKe mcKoffee
URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmFrom: "HeatGunRoast heatgunroast" 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:19 PM
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Consistently inferior shots.  Recently, I've experimented with
Schulman's (experimental) grind finer/tamp lighter protocol.  On a
hunch, I tried the convex again, and I'm close to thinking that it's
superior to the flat under these circumstances.  Bottom line?  I agree
that there's probably no "best" choice.  If I were recommending only
one tamper, it would be flat.  But the real answer is that you won't
(should not) be satisfied, fulfilled, complete until you own several
tampers----and even then you may still be wondering which one is best.
Martin
On 6/16/05, Gregg Talton  wrote:
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33) From: David M. Lewis
At 4:41 PM -0700 6/19/05, miKe mcKoffee wrote:
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For what it's worth, Schomer's Ergo-Packer has the edges 2 mm above 
the surface when it's set down. This is with a 58 mm tamper. That 
works out to about an 8" radius curvature. Don't know how that 
compares to Les' or the clicker.
Best,
	David
-- 
"A fool and his money are soon elected."
	- Kinky Friedman

34) From: Paul Carder
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Folks, I need a 53mm diameter tamper for my espresso/cappocino maker. =
I'm tired of using a flat bottom shot glass! If anyone makes tampers or =
has a link to a tamper website, any help would be appreciated. By the =
way, I just finished a couple of double shot caps made with a light =
vienna roast 50/50 blend of Sulawesi Toraja and Yemen Haimi. Delicious!
Regards,
Paul Carder

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Get Les to make you a Thor!
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36) From: Zara Haimo
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You should talk to Les about a Thor Tamper, especially his new Ridgeline =
design www.thortamper.com.  I love the one he just made for me.  He can =
custom make any size you need and you can pick the wood too.

37) From: Eddie Dove
Yup, get Les to make you a Thor.  I have two; a regular and a Ridgeline.
Website:     <http://www.thortamper.com/>
Eddie
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Vita non est vivere sed valere vita est
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38) From: gin
have Les , Thor Tampers.com,
make you a Ridgeline 
best darn tamper I have ever had!
ginny
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39) From: Obrien, Haskell W.
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I'd say that everyone here who's gotten a Thor tamper from Les loves it.
I certainly do! That said, any decent coffee retailer has some.
Sweet Marias has a few to choose from - including a Thor, but Les can
make them for you special - his site ishttp://www.thortamper.com/ 
From: homeroast-admin
[mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Paul Carder
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:10 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: +Tampers
 
Folks, I need a 53mm diameter tamper for my espresso/cappocino maker.
I'm tired of using a flat bottom shot glass! If anyone makes tampers or
has a link to a tamper website, any help would be appreciated. By the
way, I just finished a couple of double shot caps made with a light
vienna roast 50/50 blend of Sulawesi Toraja and Yemen Haimi. Delicious!
Regards,
Paul Carder

40) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
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www.thortampers.com
 
best in the world made with pride in OR by our very own Les. 
IMO and as always YMMV
Dennis

41) From: susan oppenheim
It's been a while since I treated myself to a tamper by les
the coffee -one cup at a time in the espresso-at home was always 
tastier I felt than the coffee at the shop
so I sent off a paypal request for a second tamper
I told Les the name of the machine
yesterday I get this amazing impressive tamper
oh my god
it's a work of art
and then i got nervous
it seemed a bit large
a bit heavy
so I have just come into the shop
and I tried it on my portapress for my Boticelli ECM machine
It is an ingenious perfect fit
we are so blessed to have Les
thx again for the tamper
you made my day les
Susan O in Toronto

42) From: Eddie Dove
Susan,
Wholeheartedly agree ...
Two of Les' functional works of art take up residence here ...
Roasting lessons from Les have been invaluable ...
Les is tops in my book too!
Of course you are pretty awesome too for sharing the Kopi Luwak!
Eddie
-- 
Stop telling God how big your storm is.
Instead, tell the storm how big your God is.
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43) From: Jim Gundlach
On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:07 PM, susan oppenheim wrote:
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     pecan jim

44) From: Treshell
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You can add my name to the glowing list.  Mine is one of his new ones.  It
works very well and all of my shots are tamped exactly the same time after
time.
treshell

45) From: kevin creason
I am eagerly waiting for my first Thor!
I picked Black Walnut in homage to my parents' roots in the Ozarks. Those
nuts are tough to crack, but the stories my dad tells of the trouble he &
his brother made with those rock hard nuts will crack you up....
It doesn't hurt that the wood is pretty too.
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-Kevin
Admit your errors before someone else exaggerates them. - Andrew V. Mason

46) From: ray
Kevin your using the wrong nut cracker you need an extra strong one like you
can get on the link I am giving you good luck >http://www.baronbob.com/hillary-nutcracker.htm


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