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Topic: Affordable Commercial Roaster & Bean to cup ratio (12 msgs / 484 lines)
1) From: R.N.Kyle
How about a place to roast and the utilities to roast with, plus if you =
quit your job, you will have the added expense of health insurance. =
Income taxes state and Federal, business license fees.and if your not =
good at keeping business records and doing your taxes, Accounting fees, =
advertising cost, and marketing cost. just to name a few.
If you can roast at home (zoning laws) to consider, and if your wife =
works and can provide health insurance. it may be a doable situation
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

2) From: Rick Farris
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If you search the archives you'll find plenty of discussion of roasters.
Applicable keywords might be Pro-1500, San Franciscan and Syd & Jerry.
As to yield of a pound of green coffee, the math works like this:  One pound
of greens yields about 85% of that as roasted coffee, or about 13.6 ounces.
One double shot takes about 0.5 ounce, so you would see about 27 double
shots of espresso.
-- Rick
Cole Alton:
  This is a two part question…
  1.)    Can anyone point me to an affordable commercial bean roaster?  I’ve
spent some time researching roasters and the best roaster I’ve found at an
affordable price is the Alpenrost Rotary Drum Roaster (1/2 pound roaster).
It seems the Alpenrost is more of a home roaster than a commercial roaster.
I did find a few large volume roasters (30lbs), but the price was upward of
$7,000.00.  Is there no middle ground with price when it comes to commercial
bean roasters?
  2.)    Can anyone give me an ideal about how many cups of espresso coffee
can be made with a 1 lb. bag of beans?  So, you take green beans, roast
them, grind them and then how many espresso cups can you produce with that 1
lb. bag?
  I appreciate your thoughts on these questions.
  Regards,
  Colt

3) From: John Abbott
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Colt,
Sounds like you are considering going into the coffee roasting business.  If
you are going to be selling 50# a week you can have a free five pound coffee
roaster.  Ambex makes a series of 5 pound, 5 kilo and 10 kilo gas fired
roasters that are designed for light commercial use.   They also offer a
free training school on the use of their roasters.  You can check it out athttp://www.freeroaster.com/details.asp    If you are computing the number
of shots per pound, you must be planning on selling it by the shot - in
which case you will be investing a lot more into a espresso machine and
grinder than you will the roaster.
John - joyfully retired and giving all my coffee away

4) From: Colt Alton
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Hello all,
 
This is a two part question.
 
1.)    Can anyone point me to an affordable commercial bean roaster?
I've spent some time researching roasters and the best roaster I've
found at an affordable price is the Alpenrost Rotary Drum Roaster (1/2
pound roaster).  It seems the Alpenrost is more of a home roaster than a
commercial roaster.  I did find a few large volume roasters (30lbs), but
the price was upward of $7,000.00.  Is there no middle ground with price
when it comes to commercial bean roasters?
 
2.)    Can anyone give me an ideal about how many cups of espresso
coffee can be made with a 1 lb. bag of beans?  So, you take green beans,
roast them, grind them and then how many espresso cups can you produce
with that 1 lb. bag?
 
I appreciate your thoughts on these questions.
 
Regards,
Colt
 

5) From: Oaxaca Charlie
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 That 15% loss when roasted applies to lightly roasted beans. A
full city roast will lose 20% of it's weight and a dark french
roast, wich a lot of customers will want, will lose as much as
25%. That changes the math some on how many doubles you can get
out of a sack o beans
 There really doesn't seem to be any affordable 1 or 2 lb
roasters out there unless you find a good deal on a used one.
Nothing under $3,000 that I've been able to find. My 4 lb system
cost about 400$(with motor) plus another 800$ to build the brick
oven. That was with some free help and bargain hunting. A 7lb
Diedrich roaster costs $7,500 just for the basic unit, with lots
more costs before you can use it.
Charlie
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6) From: Marchiori, Alan
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--I posted this once earlier today, and it didn't get through (to me at
least).  I appologize if anyone gets a duplicate message.
Speaking of commercial roasting, has anyone made the jump from homeroast to
small part time commercial roasting?  I'm tempted to do this.  Wondering if
anyone has any experiances to share?
using this roaster example, lets say 200lbs a month, 160lbs roasted.  They
say the cost is $2.23/lb so 200lbs is around $500 (after shipping).  So
assuming you can sell the roasted stuff at $7/lb that would yield $1120,
this leaves $620. Lets say packaging is $0.50 per pound, so that's $80 per
160lbs roasted.  Now we have $540.  200Lbs is 40, 5lb batches, so that means
you are making about $13.50 per batch, assume it takes 30 minutes to roast &
package a batch that's $27/hr.
Sounds good to me, but you do have to have enough clients to support 200lbs
a month, but where I live there are no good roasted coffee sources, yet you
can still find "gourmet" coffee for $13/lb hmm... if you bump our price up
to $10/lb that'd pay about $51/hr....  Someone tell me again why I don't
just quit my job and start roasting?
alan...

7) From: David Westebbe
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RE: +Affordable Commercial Roaster & Bean to cup ratio > Sounds good to me,
but you do have to have enough clients to support 200lbs a month, but where
I live there are no good  > roasted coffee sources, yet you can still find
"gourmet" coffee for $13/lb hmm... if you bump our price up to $10/lb that'd
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and start roasting?
If you could sell enough coffee, you could make money roasting it.  Many
businesses do.  However, you are not taking all of your expenses into
account, and you rtime is spent doing much more than just roasting, so your
hourly wage is not going to be nearly as high as you have predicted.

8) From: Rick Farris
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RE: +Affordable Commercial Roaster & Bean to cup ratioAlan wrote:
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Heck, why assume 200 lbs?  Assume 600 pounds and you've got almost enough to
pay your rent and maybe the payment on your roaster.  Of course you still
need to eat, pay utilities, and all those other things.
But, as long as we're assuming, let's assume we win the Powerball on
Saturday ($220M), and then we'll take the whole list to St Helena for the
coffee harvest!  Heck, we'll *buy* St Helena, and make a fortune out of
selling the coffee!
-- Rick
;-)

9) From: David Lewis
At 11:03 PM -0700 12/18/02, Rick Farris wrote:
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Depending on the volume, I'd add the Sivetz 1.25 lb electric roaster 
to that list: . Mike Sivetz invented 
the fluid bed coffee roaster.
Best,
	David
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10) From: Dan Bollinger
The Roller Roaster is another that will get you on your way to doing 50-200
pounds per week.  http://www.gardfoods.com/coffee/coffee.roaster.htm Dan

11) From: Oaxaca Charlie
 I was starting to get exited, 'till I got to the price-yikes!
American money, too... Interesting system, though
Charlie
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12) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Oaxaca Charlie" 
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$13k getting way up there for .5 to 2.5# batch sizes. Gets me thinking again
about the Ambex .5 to 5# drum roaster for 'only' $5k!
BTW, all you working to perfect gas grill drum roaster designs, I suspect
there'd be a market...
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
Variable Variac Rockin' Rosto Roasting
Miss Silvia brewin'
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