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Topic: Coffee Out ? (26 msgs / 580 lines)
1) From: R.N.Kyle
Paul you are an official CSA member. welcome, now your life as you knew =
in will never be the same again. 10 CSA starter points.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC

2) From: R.N.Kyle
Mike Coffee wrote:
I've done this at 5-star restaurants too. I refuse to drink bad coffee
25 pts. Mike, Mike is Gold Card Member of the CSA.
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
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3) From: Paul Covert
Hello Homeroasters,
Just curious what everyone does about drinking coffee when they go out
to a restaurant? I have found that I can't stomach the coffee after
drinking freshly roasted coffee.
I stopped at Drunkin Dognuts for coffee yesterday, (a place I used to
enjoy) and I ended up throwing it away after two sips.
Enjoy !
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4) From: Ken Mary
The restaurants that I frequent serve "good" coffee. It is always drinkable
and sometimes enjoyable. Even the all-you-can-eat buffet has drinkable
coffee. But it comes nowhere near homeroast and I would never expect it to
be so. On the other hand, I avoid the coffee in fast food shops that serve
in paper cups.
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5) From: Photogal1966
Personally, if I know the place has a  reasonably decent cup of "joe" AND 
they serve half and half with it (I HATE artificial creamers) I will have 
If not, it is water, iced tea or soda for me.

6) From: tadpreston
I usually try to get my coffe fix from home. But, IF I get a 
craving for coffee with my meal, I make sure thay have half-and-
half (cannot do the powdered stuff) and add it. I don't use cream 
at home. I also avoid the fastfood coffee. Well, not entirely 
true, if I am traveling and I need some caffiene I will drink some 
from Micky D's with the half-and-half.
I don't worry too much about coffee at a restaurant, it is when I 
go over to a friends house and the "brew some just for me". It is 
usually (sorry, I have to use the F word here) Folgers. Now that 
is some stuff that I can't seem to swallow. The bad part of it is 
they are usually so happy to fill my cup. I have tried to give 
them fresh roasted beans and they treat it just like a "fresh" can 
of Folgers (sorry, another F bomb). I am trying to educate my 
friends. Maybe I am just casting pearls before swine :-).

7) From: Paul Goelz
At 10:11 AM 12/23/02, you wrote:
Try making up an emergency packet of a mix of powdered creamer and a bit of 
cinnamon.  It can save some of the milder forms of un-drinkable 
coffee.  Cindy carries a jar of it in her purse and won't leave for a 
restaurant without it.
Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills MI USA
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8) From: Ben Treichel
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 08:03:44 -0800 (PST), "R.N.Kyle"
I thought he was braging, shouldn't that be -15 for
such an un-original brag?
Welcome to the CSA - it doesn't get any better than
P.S. I can neither confirm nor deny the existance of
such an organization.
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9) From: Steve McKinney
This touches on a long-running pet peeve of mine.  My wife is a chef, we
both love good food, and like to go out to 'top' restaurants as often as
our pocketbook allows.  Of course these 'top' restaurants can fail to
satisfy in many ways, but even after an otherwise wonderful experience
with fantastic food and impeccable service, we more often than not are
disappointed (and sometimes downright disgusted) with the coffee.  It
seems like a crime for an otherwise perfect experience to be marred by a
bad cup of coffee right at the end.  You'd think that restaurants that
make an effort to be on the cutting edge with their food and most
beverages would treat coffee the same way, but instead a 'coffee is
coffee' attitude seems to prevail.  Maybe with time this will change.  I
sure would be impressed by a restaurant that roasted their own, offered
a selection, and brewed to order!

10) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Steve McKinney" 
  You'd think that restaurants that
I concur whole heartedly. One excellent restaurant we visited did actually
offer Cona vac brewed (for $15) Since the server didn't know what bean
variety, when roasted or even when purchased I declined. Usually I just
decline coffee at restaurants and wait 'till we get home. (unless I planned
ahead.) Last Wednesday case in point. We had a before work breakfast buffet
to be followed by two hour mandatory meeting. (Lame attempt at Christmas
party on a budget.) I knew I'd really want coffee after breakfast. I brought
my Zass' Turkish mill, travel 32oz Bodum Press, and vac'd pack of homeroast.
I simply asked if they'd boil a pot of water and bring it directly from
heating to the table. Funny thing is, Lindy (our group's secretary) asked if
I brought my own coffee when I walked in for breakfast. She knows me! (I
always bring coffee for our monthly staff meetings at the office.)
I've done this at 5-star restaurants too. I refuse to drink bad coffee.
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
Variable Variac Rockin' Rosto Roasting
Miss Silvia brewin'
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11) From: Bart Frazzee
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 05:46:34 -0500, you wrote:
Saturday my daughter and her husband took me out for dinner to
celebrate my birthday. I said I would like Italian. She found one on a
web site that, if it is half as good as the review made it sound, was
just what I wanted.
It was every bit as good as the review!
I've never been to Italy so I don't know about authentic, but I do
know about good! My daughter said it best. "Just sat there not wanting
to swallow. Wanting to just savor every bite".
While perusing the desert menu Christine asked if I wanted coffee. I
hesitated a moment and said "no". She said  "don't want to risk
spoiling it?" "yep!"
Some day I may try their coffee, but I doubt it.
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12) From: Angelo
What I've taken to doing is to have my coffee at home BEFORE I go out to 
eat. I'm insured of a good cup, and it seems to get me in a good mood for a 
nice dinner. I eat out at an "Italian" restaurant in the neighborhood quite 
a bit. The reason I put the word in quotes is because no one who works 
there is Italian, or of Italian descent. Just about every other country is 
Unfortunately, none of them know, nor care to know, how to make a decent 
espresso. They do make pretty cappas, though. They spend the time getting 
three layers in tall parfait glasses. However, the taste result is 
awful...The regular coffee is made from pre-packaged, pre-dosed dreck..I 
have tried to educate them but, alas, to no avail..
There is one place that makes a pretty tasty cappa (more of a latte), but 
as with most of you, in general, I've given up on it....
As to friends and relatives, forget that, too. I think they're afraid of 
mentioning coffee around me. lol
My friends consider themselves gourmets, and  can bore you to death with 
their talk of "fine" wines....They will then turn around and serve coffee 
made from whatever was on sale at the supermarket that month (they buy 5 lb 
tins). They think that my coffee is too "strong"...I just go along with it, 
I'm too old to be changing people's tastes....
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13) From: Angelo
I hereby nominate Ron Kyle as Official Scorekeeper of the CSA....
All in favor say, "Aye!"
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14) From: Oaxaca Charlie
--- Angelo  wrote:
 aye aye AYE !!!
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15) From: David Westebbe
If I want a cup of coffee, I drink it.
If that is true, then maybe you should refrain from learning about anything
else that could impair your life.  For example, don't ever eat any really
good chocolate, like Callebeaut or Valhrona, lest your becoming unable to
stomach Hershey's in the future.  Don't go to any art museums to experience
great art, lest you are driven out of restaurants and hotels by the hangings
they choose for their walls.
That is a very sad story.  You used to enjoy it you say?  And now it is
beyond being even minimally acceptable?
My condolences.
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16) From: The Scarlet Wombat
We have given up on coffee out.  I am sure there are restaurants with good 
coffee, and none of them are in Northern New England.  The available 
espresso is little better than overly strong Taster's Choice, the regular 
coffee is not fit for even my enemies.
I guess the CSA rings truer and truer with us.
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17) From: Rick Farris

18) From: Angelo
Am I the only one who can't make sense of the "logic" expressed in this post??
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19) From: Rick Farris
Angelo asks:
I can see that you haven't been trained in epistemology, Angelo.  It is
difficult (possibly impossible, though it cannot be proven) to disprove a
negative.  The problem is that you might have to wait forever (which is a
very long time) for your answer.  The problem is a little bit simpler in
this particular case, because all it takes is one person to chip in with "I
understand it," and then your question can be answered "No."
I understand the logic, therefore the answer to your question is a
resounding NO!  :-)
Perhaps you should ask "Does anyone understand the logic of this post?"  You
would probably receive more answers that way.  And those answers would
definitely have a better chance of being right.
-- Rick
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20) From: Wendy Sarrett
This whole thread reminds me of a funny thing that happened recently.  I
spoke with a Friend who loves coffee but ONLY will drink coffee out.
I'm sure she goes to *$ several times a day.   I mentioned to her that
when she comes to visit later on in the year (she usually does an
overnight visit sometime in August or September)  I'll make her some of
the fresh coffee.  I got a very skeptical reaction on her end so I had
to promise we can go to *$ is she doesn't like it. (There's one walking
distance from my house.)  Oh well, I tried! :-)
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21) From: Les & Becky
Some of us either don't drink the coffee when we go out, or we bring a small
french press with some preground good stuff and order hot water.  Believe
me, the aroma gets the attention of your neighbors if they are coffee
Roasting and turning tampers in S. Oregon

22) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Les & Becky" 
Before I got the Zass' Turkish mill that's what I did. Took little
pre-ground vac'd in pouches. (Now it's little vac' pouches of whole bean.)
But none of that is getting extreme. It's not extreme unless you bring your
own water for them to heat! (I won't mention that it's been done...)
Oh, and it's fun to share with other tables at times too, assuming I brought
enough for more than on Press pot :-)
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
Variable Variac Rockin' Rosto Roasting
Miss Silvia brewin'
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23) From: Les & Becky
Hey lets be nice!  This is Christmas time!  If one can not appreciate
sarcasm, then have a good laugh and move on!  Lets keep the flames on the

24) From: Les & Becky
I will ditto that Mike!  I guess I can now justify a Zass Turkish! for my
growing array of equipment!

25) From: Rick Farris
Exactly, Les!  You oughta be really chuckling at this point!
-- Rick

26) From: Ed Needham
I just order the coffee along with others at my table and make snide remarks.
I passed on ordering an espresso yesterday evening at a really great Italian
restaurant when the bartender told me he made the best espresso of anyone at
the restaurant.  He said his technique was just "pushing a button", and he
On my way out, I was chatting with the manager in the foyer, while waiting
for the rest of my party to leave.  I commented to him that the food was
incredible, but the only thing the restaurant lacked was a beautiful Italian
espresso machine, showcased where everyone could see it, and someone who
really knew how to use it.  He gave me an affirming "Yeah, I know what you
mean" expression, as if it was something that would be nice, but will
probably never happen.
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