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Topic: Bodum Santos (34 msgs / 619 lines)
1) From: Mark
I just got a Bodum Santos yesterday from Tom, and have to say that so far
I'm really liking it. I've got a Silex vac pot that I purchased on Ebay
quite a while back, and have never cared much for the results I got when
brewing just for myself, although it did make good coffee when I brewed a
full pot (which is rare). The Santos is a little smaller in volume, and
seems to leave less water at the bottom during brewing, so it's working
better for me than the Silex so far. I just wanted to comment, though, that
Bodum's recommendation to use a heat-diffuser when brewing on a gas stove is
most definitely a good idea. The first time I used it, the coffee foamed up
and overflowed a bit (I caught it just in time to avoid a *really* big
mess). This morning I got an old wire coathanger and bent it to make a heat
diffuser, and this eliminated the problem. I just thought someone else might
learn from my experience.
Has anyone tried using a Cory glass rod in a Santos? I'll probably try that
tomorrow and see how it works compared to the plastic filter disk.
Happily sipping a cup of vacuum-brewed Toraja fat-bean,

2) From: Simpson
Yes, a cory rod works fine. I particularly like the spring loaded safety
filter... looks like a cory rod on top, but uses a spring like the bodum
filter on the bottom.

3) From: Angelo
Is this made by Cory or another company? If another company, which?

4) From: Simpson
It says "silex lox-in" and US Pat 2370674. Here's a picture:http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/t/n/tnjsimp/loxin.gifTed

5) From: mgeis
This is made by Silex, which became Proctor-Silex later on I believe.  Not
Mike Geis

6) From: Bob Norton
That would be a Silex Lox-In filter. Definitely the best for the Bodum but
a little harder to obtain than a Cory. If you use a Cory rod, be sure to
get the "NEW" Cory rod (says "NEW" right on it). It's a better fit.
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7) From: Brian Ray
i just purchased the bodum vac brewer "kit" from tom, and i was curious if 
any veteran users have advice on optimal brewing techniques.  my current 
process is to fill the carafe with cold water, insert the top piece with 
grounds and place the entire apparatus directly on the burner on high.  the 
water usually begins to slowly rise until it reaches almost a boil at which 
point there is a sudden surge of water to the top. i remove the pot from 
heat at this point, stir the grounds slightly and let it sit until all the 
water comes down.  i use a fine grind (12-13 on the gaggia dose grinder) and 
usually get a very slight amount of sediment.  i am happy with the results 
but always eager to try potential improvements.  thanks!
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8) From: Al Raden
I've been using a Santos for several months.  I prefer to set the burner on a
little over medium (on my electric stove - range from 1-8, I usually use 5).
When the water has all travelled to the top, I leave it on the burner for about
90 seconds before removing it.
- al r.
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9) From: Dave Huddle
My technique with a Cory top, 'new' Cory rod, Silex gasket, Silex
bottom, Bodum Santos spirit lamp, Bunn-Pour-O-Matic, & electric
For a quick start, I use hot water from the Bunn, heated to boiling on
the electric range.   While the kettle is heating, I light a Bodum
spirit lamp under about a cup of hot water (from the Bunn) in the Silex
bottom.   When the water on the range is boiling, I fill the pot to the
line and put the funnel/rod/ground coffee in place.
Water starts moving up quickly.  After around 3 to 3.5 minutes, the
water is in the top and rapidly bubbling.   I stir it with a plastic
stick,let it bubble about 1.5 to 2 minutes, the extinguish the lamp.
All the water is pulled down in another 3 or so minutes.
I use the cheap grinder from Hearthware, medium setting.
My usual brew is 42 grams of coffee (usually Ethiopian Harrar) and 36
oz. water.
Dave	Westerville, OH
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10) From: Irene and Lubos Palounek
This is the process we were doing  for many years while using the "manual"
Bodum Santos on an electric stove.  It is similar to your method, Brian,
with some exceptions:
Fill the carafe with cold water, insert the top piece with grounds and place
the entire apparatus directly on the burner on high.
The water usually begins to slowly rise until it reaches almost a boil at
which point there is a sudden surge of water to the top. (Rarely, some beans
stay on top of the water; in such a case, I mix them in.)
I turn the heat to low at (or slightly before) that point and let the liquid
bubble for about 90 seconds.  (The liquid in the top unit bubbles as the hot
air/vapor from the bottom is forced up; it does not boil.)
After about 90 seconds of bubbling I remove the pot from heat at this point
and let it sit until all the water comes down.
That method simulates the process in the automatic electric Bodum 3000.
Since we got the electric unit, we do not use the manual one.  The electric
unit is much easier to use and I cannot tell any difference in the resulting
coffee from either the manual or the electric unit.
Regards, Lubos
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11) From: Steve Shank
I don't use the bodum, but the Yama. However, technique should be similar.
I fill the carafe with cold filtered water, then put 90% of it in a teapot and boil it. The remain 10% at the bottom of the carafe is place at medium heat on the metal wire atop the burner. I grind fine and fill the top. When the water boils in the teapot, I fill the carafe and then put the top on. It rises within about 30 seconds. I stir and turn off the burner but leave on the heat and let brew for 2 minutes. Then remove from the heat and it quickly goes south. The two minute brewing time is short, but the grind is fine and water is on the beans before it is all atop and I stir and then for another 15 seconds or so on the way down. So I am extracting from the beans for nearly 3 minutes altogether. As much as I want with a fine grind.
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12) From: MMore
I just received, off e-bay, a Bodum Santos.  Oh, my, God!!!  What a great cup 
of coffee that produces!  It's the electric one and I just can't believe how 
clean the cup tastes.  A question, though.  What's the optimal grind?  Coarser 
than espresso, I'm sure, but as coarse as you would for a paper filter?  Any 
other "Santos" hints?
Thanks all.  I love this forum.  I've learned so much and its so great to 
have such a wealth of knowledge to pull from!
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

13) From: DEchelbarg
I use the same grind for my Santos (not an electric) as I do for my manual 
drip.  Seems to work very well.  Love the coffee it produces.  Don't use it 
enough.  I like to brew by the cup and maybe have a couple of varieties going at 
once to compare.  Love those days when I brew a pot, kick back and slug it 
down.  When I use the Vac pot it is telling me: "You have time!" 
Dave Echelbarger 

14) From: Jason Molinari
I can't wait to get my mini-santos. It's going to be far more conveninet than my Yama vac pot, which i've now broken twice:)

15) From: Rich Adams

16) From: Bart Frazee
On my vac pots, I set the grind based on the speed at which the coffee
goes down. a fine grind will go down slowly, and a courser grind will
go down faster. HOWEVER, when I was using a Maestro the dust it
produced at a drip grind setting caused it to stall. Baratza (sp?)
suggested using a finer grind (less dust) and it speeded up the trip
Recommended extraction time is from 3 to 5 minutes, depending on how
fine the grind is. Finer grind = less time.
My Rocky is set so the trip south takes about 1 minute.
With the e-Santos the up north time tends to be short, so the slow
trip south effectively extends the total extraction time.
On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:05:37 EDT, you wrote:
great cup 

17) From: Michael Guterman
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Jason Molinari wrote:
How did you fix it the first time?

18) From: Jason Molinari
I didn't, i ordered a replacement caraffe, which cost almost as much as the whole unit.

19) From: Bill Blakely
A year ago, I went through 2 Santos coffee pots within 2 weeks.  I went 
ahead and ordered 2 more pots to keep from having any downtime due to 
cracked pots.  However,  I haven't had a single problem since those 
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20) From: Wandering John
On Thursday 13 May 2004 09:36 am, DEchelbarg wrote:
Yeah, been there Dave.  I'm retired and one could imagine me with a 
surplus of time on my hands.  But my Cona-D vacuum pot looks a little 
dusty!  I've spoiled my dinner friends with espresso and drinks made 
with espresso.  Nobody seems interested in the brewed stuff any more.
I see that I have all I need, when I am able to distinguish what I 
merely want

21) From: MMore
I have been doing espresso and espresso drinks exclusively for quite some 
time.  That's why I decided to get the Santos.  I do find that although the 
espresso gives a concentrated taste of the distinct varietals, only by brewing it 
do I get the real minute differences. 
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

22) From: Lowe, David
I remember the first year that my Father-in-law was retired; it seems =
that he was busier that he'd ever been. Must be the back-log of =
projects, I can imagine the same ting happening to me. 
Dave Lowe

23) From: Angelo
You can lengthen  the time up north with a couple of tips which you will 
find in the archives...Basically, you keep more water on the heat sensor 
which is towards the back(handle) of the pot. In other words, raise the 
front of the pot by about 1/4 th of an inch...

24) From: Barry Luterman
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Now I am bugged. A couple of years ago I bought a Bodum Santos Vac pot. =
I had a bunch of trouble with stalling. The solution was adjusting my =
grind and replacing the filter with a Yama cloth filter. Two years pass =
with perfect coffee and never a stall. Last week I finally broke the =
pot. Without even a second thought I replaced it. Made two pots with it =
so far using my filter,same coffee same grind and it has stalled twice. =
The only thing I can figure is it must be the new gasket. Am I supposed =
to condition a new gasket in any special way or is this simply break in =

25) From: Brett Mason
I have a few questions...
  1. Is this an entirely new Bodum Santos, or only aone part?
     If it's all new, perhaps grind more coarse and dial your grind back in
for this new machine (?)
  2. How is the "fit" of the upper bowl into the lower bowl?  Is the seal
"tight"  Is the gasket soft, or is it more "hard" or inflexible?
     Maybe some adjustment needs to be made for the fit.  On some new
gaskets for my Cory, I have boiled the gaskets to soften them, then
installed while warm to better "seat" the upper bowl, and then run 10-15
cylces hot to cold, then cool and start over.  All this to get a good match
between the upper and lower bowl.
Your mileage may vary,
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26) From: Barry Luterman
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1. Brand new Santos. Saved the bowel and gasket from the original =
against the time I break the new bowel.
2. Seal is much tighter than my old one I have trouble separating the =
two pieces after brewing
 3. I also notice the water has to really get agitated before it heads =
North. My old one moved North faster and with less heat.

27) From: John Blumel
On Oct 12, 2006, at 4:15 pm, Barry Luterman wrote:
Could be the Yama filter. They sometime get so clogged with oils and  
sediment that they will stall. Maybe sitting around while you where  
waiting for the replacement caused everything to harden up.
If you have a spare filter cloth, the easiest thing to do would be to  
just replace it. (Does SM's have these these days?). Otherwise you  
can try cleaning it with Oxyclean (soak overnight) and vigorously  
manipulating the cloth with your fingers to try and dislodge oils and  
sediment as much as possible. Do this under hot running water while  
you rinse the Oxyclean off. You may be able to rejuvenate it, but get  
some new ones anyway, for when you can't
John Blumel

28) From: Angelo
Try using your old gasket.

29) From: Barry Luterman
I have replacements thanks. It has to be that or the gasket nothing else 
makes sense

30) From: flynn wallace
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31) From: Peter Genuardi
Check out these previous, recent threads on the santos:http://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic20676.htm - Peter">http://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic17796.htmhttp://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic591.htmhttp://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic20676.htm - Peter
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32) From: John and Emma
I bought the Yama VP so I could use the glass rod filter (available on
SM's). This is what I strictly use on weekday mornings. It's fast, easy and
makes a great cup. The glass rod filter is awesome. 
I use a French Press, Moka Pot or the VP on weekends. I bought my VP a while
back. There was a cup off several months back on the list and the majority
of the people listed the VP as producing the best cup. That sold me on
buying one. I haven't looked back since.
John H.

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34) From: Brian Kamnetz
There is always a wide range of preferences when someone asks about
what extraction method people like best (other than espresso). Some
like vac pots, some like drip brewers, some like AeroPress, some like
Turkish. I personally prefer the rich, concentrated flavors that I get
from my moka pot. Others like moka pot but find it a bit intense and
prefer to add a bit of water. Ann always raved about her Krups Moka
Speaking of Ann, I don't recall seeing any posts from Ann for a long
time. Has anyone heard from her?
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