I just got a Bodum Santos yesterday from Tom, and have to say that so far I'm really liking it. I've got a Silex vac pot that I purchased on Ebay quite a while back, and have never cared much for the results I got when brewing just for myself, although it did make good coffee when I brewed a full pot (which is rare). The Santos is a little smaller in volume, and seems to leave less water at the bottom during brewing, so it's working better for me than the Silex so far. I just wanted to comment, though, that Bodum's recommendation to use a heat-diffuser when brewing on a gas stove is most definitely a good idea. The first time I used it, the coffee foamed up and overflowed a bit (I caught it just in time to avoid a *really* big mess). This morning I got an old wire coathanger and bent it to make a heat diffuser, and this eliminated the problem. I just thought someone else might learn from my experience. Has anyone tried using a Cory glass rod in a Santos? I'll probably try that tomorrow and see how it works compared to the plastic filter disk. Happily sipping a cup of vacuum-brewed Toraja fat-bean, Mark
Yes, a cory rod works fine. I particularly like the spring loaded safety filter... looks like a cory rod on top, but uses a spring like the bodum filter on the bottom. Ted <Snip> snip <Snip>
Ted, Is this made by Cory or another company? If another company, which? Angelo <Snip>
It says "silex lox-in" and US Pat 2370674. Here's a picture:http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/t/n/tnjsimp/loxin.gifTed <Snip>
This is made by Silex, which became Proctor-Silex later on I believe. Not Cory. Mike Geis
That would be a Silex Lox-In filter. Definitely the best for the Bodum but a little harder to obtain than a Cory. If you use a Cory rod, be sure to get the "NEW" Cory rod (says "NEW" right on it). It's a better fit. **************************************** On 8/27/2000Angelo wrote: <Snip>
i just purchased the bodum vac brewer "kit" from tom, and i was curious if any veteran users have advice on optimal brewing techniques. my current process is to fill the carafe with cold water, insert the top piece with grounds and place the entire apparatus directly on the burner on high. the water usually begins to slowly rise until it reaches almost a boil at which point there is a sudden surge of water to the top. i remove the pot from heat at this point, stir the grounds slightly and let it sit until all the water comes down. i use a fine grind (12-13 on the gaggia dose grinder) and usually get a very slight amount of sediment. i am happy with the results but always eager to try potential improvements. thanks! brianhomeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I've been using a Santos for several months. I prefer to set the burner on a little over medium (on my electric stove - range from 1-8, I usually use 5). When the water has all travelled to the top, I leave it on the burner for about 90 seconds before removing it. - al r. Brian Ray wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Brian, My technique with a Cory top, 'new' Cory rod, Silex gasket, Silex bottom, Bodum Santos spirit lamp, Bunn-Pour-O-Matic, & electric range.... For a quick start, I use hot water from the Bunn, heated to boiling on the electric range. While the kettle is heating, I light a Bodum spirit lamp under about a cup of hot water (from the Bunn) in the Silex bottom. When the water on the range is boiling, I fill the pot to the line and put the funnel/rod/ground coffee in place. Water starts moving up quickly. After around 3 to 3.5 minutes, the water is in the top and rapidly bubbling. I stir it with a plastic stick,let it bubble about 1.5 to 2 minutes, the extinguish the lamp. All the water is pulled down in another 3 or so minutes. I use the cheap grinder from Hearthware, medium setting. My usual brew is 42 grams of coffee (usually Ethiopian Harrar) and 36 oz. water. Dave Westerville, OH <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
This is the process we were doing for many years while using the "manual" Bodum Santos on an electric stove. It is similar to your method, Brian, with some exceptions: Fill the carafe with cold water, insert the top piece with grounds and place the entire apparatus directly on the burner on high. The water usually begins to slowly rise until it reaches almost a boil at which point there is a sudden surge of water to the top. (Rarely, some beans stay on top of the water; in such a case, I mix them in.) I turn the heat to low at (or slightly before) that point and let the liquid bubble for about 90 seconds. (The liquid in the top unit bubbles as the hot air/vapor from the bottom is forced up; it does not boil.) After about 90 seconds of bubbling I remove the pot from heat at this point and let it sit until all the water comes down. That method simulates the process in the automatic electric Bodum 3000. Since we got the electric unit, we do not use the manual one. The electric unit is much easier to use and I cannot tell any difference in the resulting coffee from either the manual or the electric unit. Regards, Lubos homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I don't use the bodum, but the Yama. However, technique should be similar. I fill the carafe with cold filtered water, then put 90% of it in a teapot and boil it. The remain 10% at the bottom of the carafe is place at medium heat on the metal wire atop the burner. I grind fine and fill the top. When the water boils in the teapot, I fill the carafe and then put the top on. It rises within about 30 seconds. I stir and turn off the burner but leave on the heat and let brew for 2 minutes. Then remove from the heat and it quickly goes south. The two minute brewing time is short, but the grind is fine and water is on the beans before it is all atop and I stir and then for another 15 seconds or so on the way down. So I am extracting from the beans for nearly 3 minutes altogether. As much as I want with a fine grind. *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 09/26/2001 at 1:41 PM Brian Ray wrote: <Snip> Steve Shank Oregon Computer Solutionshttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://www.steveshank.comhomeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I just received, off e-bay, a Bodum Santos. Oh, my, God!!! What a great cup of coffee that produces! It's the electric one and I just can't believe how clean the cup tastes. A question, though. What's the optimal grind? Coarser than espresso, I'm sure, but as coarse as you would for a paper filter? Any other "Santos" hints? Thanks all. I love this forum. I've learned so much and its so great to have such a wealth of knowledge to pull from! Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.
I use the same grind for my Santos (not an electric) as I do for my manual drip. Seems to work very well. Love the coffee it produces. Don't use it enough. I like to brew by the cup and maybe have a couple of varieties going at once to compare. Love those days when I brew a pot, kick back and slug it down. When I use the Vac pot it is telling me: "You have time!" Dave Echelbarger
I can't wait to get my mini-santos. It's going to be far more conveninet than my Yama vac pot, which i've now broken twice:) jason <Snip>
On my vac pots, I set the grind based on the speed at which the coffee goes down. a fine grind will go down slowly, and a courser grind will go down faster. HOWEVER, when I was using a Maestro the dust it produced at a drip grind setting caused it to stall. Baratza (sp?) suggested using a finer grind (less dust) and it speeded up the trip south. Recommended extraction time is from 3 to 5 minutes, depending on how fine the grind is. Finer grind = less time. My Rocky is set so the trip south takes about 1 minute. With the e-Santos the up north time tends to be short, so the slow trip south effectively extends the total extraction time. Bart On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:05:37 EDT, you wrote: <Snip> great cup <Snip> how <Snip> Coarser <Snip> Any <Snip> to <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Jason Molinari wrote: <Snip> How did you fix it the first time? Michael <Snip>
I didn't, i ordered a replacement caraffe, which cost almost as much as the whole unit. jason <Snip>
Argh! A year ago, I went through 2 Santos coffee pots within 2 weeks. I went ahead and ordered 2 more pots to keep from having any downtime due to cracked pots. However, I haven't had a single problem since those failures. Sent with SnapperMail www.snappermail.com ...... Original Message ....... On Thu, 13 May 2004 10:26:00 -0500 "Rich Adams" wrote: <Snip> unsvbscribes) go to http://sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings
On Thursday 13 May 2004 09:36 am, DEchelbarg wrote: <Snip> Yeah, been there Dave. I'm retired and one could imagine me with a surplus of time on my hands. But my Cona-D vacuum pot looks a little dusty! I've spoiled my dinner friends with espresso and drinks made with espresso. Nobody seems interested in the brewed stuff any more. John -- I see that I have all I need, when I am able to distinguish what I merely want
I have been doing espresso and espresso drinks exclusively for quite some time. That's why I decided to get the Santos. I do find that although the espresso gives a concentrated taste of the distinct varietals, only by brewing it do I get the real minute differences. Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.
I remember the first year that my Father-in-law was retired; it seems = that he was busier that he'd ever been. Must be the back-log of = projects, I can imagine the same ting happening to me. Dave Lowe
You can lengthen the time up north with a couple of tips which you will find in the archives...Basically, you keep more water on the heat sensor which is towards the back(handle) of the pot. In other words, raise the front of the pot by about 1/4 th of an inch... Ciao, Angelo <Snip>
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Now I am bugged. A couple of years ago I bought a Bodum Santos Vac pot. = I had a bunch of trouble with stalling. The solution was adjusting my = grind and replacing the filter with a Yama cloth filter. Two years pass = with perfect coffee and never a stall. Last week I finally broke the = pot. Without even a second thought I replaced it. Made two pots with it = so far using my filter,same coffee same grind and it has stalled twice. = The only thing I can figure is it must be the new gasket. Am I supposed = to condition a new gasket in any special way or is this simply break in = time?
I have a few questions... 1. Is this an entirely new Bodum Santos, or only aone part? If it's all new, perhaps grind more coarse and dial your grind back in for this new machine (?) 2. How is the "fit" of the upper bowl into the lower bowl? Is the seal "tight" Is the gasket soft, or is it more "hard" or inflexible? Maybe some adjustment needs to be made for the fit. On some new gaskets for my Cory, I have boiled the gaskets to soften them, then installed while warm to better "seat" the upper bowl, and then run 10-15 cylces hot to cold, then cool and start over. All this to get a good match between the upper and lower bowl. Your mileage may vary, Brett Coryman On 10/12/06, Barry Luterman wrote: <Snip> -- Cheers, Bretthttp://homeroast.freeservers.com
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. 1. Brand new Santos. Saved the bowel and gasket from the original = against the time I break the new bowel. 2. Seal is much tighter than my old one I have trouble separating the = two pieces after brewing 3. I also notice the water has to really get agitated before it heads = North. My old one moved North faster and with less heat.
On Oct 12, 2006, at 4:15 pm, Barry Luterman wrote: <Snip> Could be the Yama filter. They sometime get so clogged with oils and sediment that they will stall. Maybe sitting around while you where waiting for the replacement caused everything to harden up. If you have a spare filter cloth, the easiest thing to do would be to just replace it. (Does SM's have these these days?). Otherwise you can try cleaning it with Oxyclean (soak overnight) and vigorously manipulating the cloth with your fingers to try and dislodge oils and sediment as much as possible. Do this under hot running water while you rinse the Oxyclean off. You may be able to rejuvenate it, but get some new ones anyway, for when you can't John Blumel
Try using your old gasket. A+ <Snip>
I have replacements thanks. It has to be that or the gasket nothing else makes sense
HELLO FROM THE NEWBIE, I HAVE BEEN USING A FRENCH PRESS FOR A LONG TIME SINCE I GOT TIRED OF MY ESPRESSO MACHINE - I JUST LIKE MORE VOLUME OF COFFEE THAN THAT. ANYWAY, I HAVE BEEN READING ALTON BROWN'S COOKBOOKS AND HE SAID THAT THE BEST CUP OF COFFEE HE EVER HAD WAS MADE IN A BODUM SANTOS VACUUM COFFEE MAKER. SURELY SOME OF YOU KNOW OF THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THANKS! BILL W Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Check out these previous, recent threads on the santos:http://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic20676.htm - Peter">http://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic17796.htmhttp://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic591.htmhttp://themeyers.org/cgi-bin/nopre.cgi/HomeRoast/Topic20676.htm - Peter On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:22 AM, flynn wallace wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
Bill, I bought the Yama VP so I could use the glass rod filter (available on SM's). This is what I strictly use on weekday mornings. It's fast, easy and makes a great cup. The glass rod filter is awesome. I use a French Press, Moka Pot or the VP on weekends. I bought my VP a while back. There was a cup off several months back on the list and the majority of the people listed the VP as producing the best cup. That sold me on buying one. I haven't looked back since. John H.
VP MAKES THE BEST IMHO ! BUY ONE NOW, YOU WILL NEVER GO BACK . On 9/10/08, flynn wallace wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20
There is always a wide range of preferences when someone asks about what extraction method people like best (other than espresso). Some like vac pots, some like drip brewers, some like AeroPress, some like Turkish. I personally prefer the rich, concentrated flavors that I get from my moka pot. Others like moka pot but find it a bit intense and prefer to add a bit of water. Ann always raved about her Krups Moka Brew. Speaking of Ann, I don't recall seeing any posts from Ann for a long time. Has anyone heard from her? Brian On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:13 PM, John Mac wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20