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Topic: Snobs or enthusiasts? (27 msgs / 582 lines)
1) From: Angelo
Since the button campaign has started, I've been rethinking our 
self-definition as coffee snobs...
I say we are not snobs, but enthusiasts. A snob is very guarded about the 
obscure objects of their desire. They enjoy  being  part of a very 
exclusive "club" and are not happy about sharing their interests with the 
masses. They will not get "down and dirty" with their interests. They will 
just buy the most expensive toy that is "in" at the time. Witness the sale 
of Capresso paraphernalia....They have no real knowledge of the inner 
workings of their toys, nor do they wish to have. They feel this is beneath 
them...They would never roast their own coffee. It's just too messy..It's 
easier and much more accepted by their peers to just order the most 
expensive beans already ground...
We are definitely not of that ilk. We buy our toys and immediately begin 
"improving" them.
When someone has a problem, everyone jumps in to help.We are not afraid to 
get our hands dirty and our houses smelly...
We are willing to share our enthusiasm and knowledge with anyone, sometimes 
whether they asked, or not. :-)  I'm willing to bet that everyone on this 
list would gladly spend an hour bending the ear of anyone who expressed the 
slightest interest in improving their cup of coffee.
And think of it - outside of  cocaine,  and maybe Viagra, what other drug 
is associated so closely with "enthusiasm"?
Anyway, that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!
Ciao,
Angelo
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2) From: Mike McGinness
I've thought similarly. (except the CSA will always remain a 'secret'
society online)
maybe Coffee Connoisseur Enthusiasts
That's really what it's all about. Striving for the absolute best coffee and
sharing the journey with others.
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
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3) From: The Scarlet Wombat
Ah, but snob does mean enthusiast.  It derives from the ancient Hittite 
word, transliterated "snobou," which is probably a derivitive of the 
Indo-European root "snu."  The Hittite word became the Summarian word 
"snobu" which has come down to us as "snob."  The original meaning, 
however, is that of...you guessed it...enthusiast.
Dan
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4) From: Mike McGinness
Guess it depends on the source of data. According to Encarta Dictionary word
origin:
Snob originally meant "shoemaker" (a sense that survives in places).
Cambridge University students of the late 18th century adopted it as a slang
term for a "townsman, someone not a member of the university," and it seems
to have been this usage that formed the basis in the 1830s for the emergence
of the new general sense "member of the lower classes." The modern sense
"someone who apes social superiors" received a considerable boost when
Thackeray used it in his Book of Snobs (1848). As for the origins of the
word itself, the suggestion that it comes from s.nob. , short for Latin sine
nobilitate "without nobility," is ingenious but ignores the word's early
history.
and Merriam-Webster Dictionary definitions:
Main Entry: snob
Pronunciation: 'snäb
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1781
1 British : COBBLER
2 : one who blatantly imitates, fawningly admires, or vulgarly seeks
association with those regarded as social superiors
3 a : one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b
: one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or
taste
Merriam-Webster Thesaurus:
Entry Word: snob
Function: noun
Text: one inclined to rebuff or ignore people or things that he regards as
inferior (as in culture or social status) 
Synonyms high-hat, snoot, snot
Related Word name-dropper, snobling; bootlicker, hanger-on, lickspittle,
sycophant, toady
Entry Word: snob
Function: verb
Text: Synonyms CUT 7, cold-shoulder, ostracize, snub
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
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5) From: Oaxaca Charlie
 Angelo, I have to agree on virtually every point you make,
exept the word "enthusiast". Just doesn't do it, somehow. Now
"connaisseur" (Mike, you spelled it wrong) has a better ring.
The "CCA", and "nector of the Goddess" might be parts of the
puzzle we're working on.
Charlie
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6) From: Oaxaca Charlie
 Yikes! I never did like the "snob" part of CSA, now I'm sure
why.
Charlie
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7) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Oaxaca Charlie" 
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According to Merriam-Webster it's an "o" not an "a", connoisseur :-)http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=connoisseurMM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
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8) From: Angelo
It's ok, Mike..It's a French word. You're allowed to misspell them...
When I was a kid I thought people were saying, "a kinda sewer". Needless to 
say this caused much confusion. :-)
Ciao,
Angelo
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9) From: Angelo
I always think of a conesseur(see other post) as one who enjoys his objects 
in a more passive way than would an enthusiast. Perhaps "enthusiast" isn't 
strong enough, but I see the type of person in this group as someone who is 
not satisfied with the rules that others have laid down for us. We need to 
experience it for ourselves. We are tinkerers and improvers of the 
breed...This goes far beyond ordinary cannonsourship....
Did you check out Greg Scace's site..I don't think a  mere quoniswear of 
sailing, would hang his butt that far out,  that close and at that speed. 
You have to be pretty damn enthusiastic...
I also think that if you check out our other hobbies and interests, you'll 
not find too many "armchair" type people in this group...
Ciao,
Angelo
  My apologies to the Language Ministry of France......yeah, right!
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10) From: Oaxaca Charlie
 "scuuuuse me, Mike. I was going by what my French Canadian wife
and her Collins Robert French/English dictionary says. I didn't
realize it has an English spelling, which is what you used,
"connoisseur." My bad. Using the French version is snobbier,
though. ;o)
Charlie
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11) From: Oaxaca Charlie
 Yeah,OK, but if it's "coffee nuts", "coffee freaks," or "coffee
nerds", count me out. ;o)
Charlie- coffee connaissuers club wannabe
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12) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Oaxaca Charlie" 
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No no 'tis I who hang my head in scorn and shame. 'Tis obvious the French
spelling should be used in a most subtle act of snobbery and disdain. ;-)
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13) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Oaxaca Charlie" 
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CCC - Not Another Wannabe!
Coffee Connaisseurs Club LTD
followed by maybe (If you need to ask, don't.) or maybe not
(BTW Charlie, that time you DID spell it wrong! The 'e' comes before the
'u'. Unless Webster's and I am wrong again:-)
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14) From: jim gundlach
Think I will stay with snob, even with a Phd I can't spell the C word.
Jim Gundlach
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15) From: Ed Needham
Some call me a 'commonsewer'.
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ed
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16) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Ed Needham" 
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Got a good chuckle. Ed, you certainly rose to a new low with that one!
MM;-) aka Kona Krazy miKe mcKoffee
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17) From: Myron Joshua
Mike,
aren't you a Konasir?  (I think the spelling is right;-)
Myron

18) From: R.N.Kyle
Yes ED, that does qualify as a snob. way to go, we will accept no bad =
coffee:O)
Ron Kyle
Anderson SC
rnkyle

19) From: Ed Needham
When I send my espresso back for the third time, and request to pull the shot
myself, others probably think I'm a 'snob'.
Ed Needhamhttp://www.homeroaster.comed
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20) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Ed Needham" 
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Some might find that perfectly 'normal' behavior!
MM;-) aka Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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21) From: Ed Needham
Hey...Don't accuse me of being 'normal' .
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ed
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22) From: Ben Treichel
After being on vacation for two weeks and having to endure some espresso 
that way, I had to stop myself from shoving the person out of the way 
and do it myself.
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23) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Ben Treichel" 
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Next time, don't be so bashful!
MM;-) aka Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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24) From: Ben Treichel
If you want to really scare yourself, do what I did. I was looking for a 
cheap, but solid, tamper while visiting these coffee places. I would ask 
them if they happen to sell tampers, and all but one place said 'What?'. 
Made me wonder if I really wanted to drink what was in the cup.
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25) From: Ed Needham
Ooooooh...shoving.  That gets you extra 'CSA' points.
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26) From: Tonya Connell
Wanna try out for my hockey team? ;)
t

27) From: Ben Treichel
The only good hockey has 'Red Wings' on it; and I only give blood to the 
Red Cross. :-D
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