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Topic: Grinder tests (15 msgs / 274 lines)
1) From: Owen Davies
I don't remember, is there a Bodum Antigua in the test series?  I'm sorely
tempted to buy one in the current sale and hold off on the Rocky until we
need it for espresso.  (Our current makers include a couple of French
presses and a vac pot.  Oh, and a discredited Mr. Coffee, which I'm unlikely
ever to use again.)  However, it would be nice to know that they actually
produce less dust than a whirly blade.
Incidentally, does anyone know how long an Antigua can be expected to last
when making a 40-oz French press and either a Bodum Santos or a couple of
1-mug (4-tasse?) French presses in an average day?
Thanks.
Owen Davies
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2) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Owen Davies" 
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unlikely
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I believe the Antigua has the same burr set as the Maestro. (though I may be
mistaken, wouldn't be the first time:-) If you NEVER EVER use it (or the
Maestro) for espresso grinding I suspect it'd last a number of years. My
Maestro burrs wore out so fast because of espresso grinding... just too much
burr carrier slop in the design.
On the flip side, Rocky is more than capable of grinding for any type of
brewing.
MM;-) aka Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
Dual Variable Transformer Rosto Roasting
Rocky grindin' - Miss Silvia brewin'
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3) From: Owen Davies
Mike McGinness wrote:
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Thanks, Mike.  I'm just being cheap here.  It probably will be a year before
we go for a Sylvia--getting deeply into home roasting comes first!--so a
Rocky seems like overkill, not to mention overspend, at the moment.  If I
haven't already dithered my way past the sale, it sounds like an order for
the Antigua should go in immediately.
Owen
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4) From: Angelo
I would suggest that you go for the Rocky, now, and apply the $50 toward 
it. You will be able to enjoy an improvement in many different types of 
brewing while waiting for the Silvia. It is a sort of "rule" around here 
that you go for the best grinder you can afford, THEN the machine.
If your FP, Vac pot, etc. brews are more tasty, you won't mind waiting a 
little extra time to get Mz. Silvia...
Ciao,
Angelo
PS, I don't think $50 is much of a sale.. I've seen(and bought) them for 
much less....
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5) From: Ben Treichel
Actually, I was thinking, but not saying the same thing. I don't expect 
to be able to get a Miss S for another 12 to 18 months; but the wisdom 
in the group is that the grinder comes first. So, I'll be using a $240 
dollar grinder with my $55 dollar Krups Gusto.
Angelo wrote:
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6) From: James Gundlach
 On Saturday, January 18, 2003, at 05:14PM, Ben Treichel  wrote:
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Ben,
    With a decent grinder, you can make great coffee with a pan and a filter.  I made a modified cowboy coffee that is every bit as good as a vacuum brew.  The key is a good grind.  I heat the pan of water to right at 200F and stir the coffee into the water.  Let it set about three minutes and pour through a filter.  You are in effect duplicating the vacuum pot process as far as the coffee is concerned.
   After playing with the screens, I'm begenning to wonder if you can make good coffee by screening the uneven grinds of a poor grinder into say three relatively homogenious grindings.  The problem becomes having to brew three different ways before the ground coffee becomes stale.
Off to make coffee for people who "really need to get up."
  
    Jim Gundlach
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7) From: Owen Davies
Ben Treichel, summarizing what I didn't really want to hear, wrote:
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 >in the group is that the grinder comes first. So, I'll be using a $240
 >dollar grinder with my $55 dollar Krups Gusto.
Geez, you guys, you were supposed to tell me that the Antigua would do fine
until we got into espresso.  Alright, no Antigua, even at a modest discount.
No Rocky for a couple of weeks, either, but at least the decision is now
irrevocable.
Owen
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8) From: Angelo
Owen,
You made the correct decision. Now, you can relax...:-)
Ciao,
Angelo
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9) From: Peter R. Barnes
Well, my $.02 isn't worth much, but the difference the Zass hand grinder 
has made on my coffee is incredible.  Granted, I was using a 
whirly-blade, but my last three pots out of the French Press have been 
sludge-free and incredibly tasty.  I'm just a poor grad. student, so 
Rocky and Sylvia are a long ways away, but if you don't mind three 
minutes of hand-grinding (I just read the paper), I think it'll do you 
pretty well...
Incidentally, did my first blending last week.  Roasted three 1/4# 
batches of yemen mattari, and three 1/4# batches of sulawesi toraja to 
blend.  one blend full city, one  blend light full city yemen and city 
sulawesi, and one blend city yemen and full city sulawesi.  so far, my 
favorite has been the full city yemen and city sulawesi - the flavors 
were more complicated.  i'm wondering if anyone has blended mokha java 
at ratios other than 50/50...
cheers
peter
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Message: 41
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:22:00 -0500
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From: Angelo 
Subject: Re: +Grinder tests
Reply-To: homeroast
Owen,
You made the correct decision. Now, you can relax...:-)
Ciao,
Angelo
 >>Ben Treichel, summarizing what I didn't really want to hear, wrote:
 >>
 >
 >>> >Actually, I was thinking, but not saying the same thing. I don't 
expect
 >>> >to be able to get a Miss S for another 12 to 18 months; but the wisdom
 >
 >>  >in the group is that the grinder comes first. So, I'll be using a $240
 >>  >dollar grinder with my $55 dollar Krups Gusto.
 >>
 >>Geez, you guys, you were supposed to tell me that the Antigua would 
do fine
 >>until we got into espresso.  Alright, no Antigua, even at a modest 
discount.
 >>No Rocky for a couple of weeks, either, but at least the decision is now
 >>irrevocable.
 >>
 >>Owen
 >>
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10) From: Dave Huddle
Concerning Jim's screening tests....
 
Sort of wondering if different beans or different roasts might behave 
differently in the same grinder.  I  suspect that there might be differences in 
the brittleness, leading to a variety of particle sizes.
Any thoughts?..
Dave
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11) From: jim gundlach
On Sunday, January 19, 2003, at 05:18 PM, Dave Huddle wrote:
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Not yet, but I will keep this in mind as I screen some other samples.  
So far, I think the differences in grinders are looking so large that 
effects of roasts will be too  small to notice.
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12) From: Ben Treichel
Peter, I noticed the same thing when I shifted from my bean smasher to 
my Zass.
Peter R. Barnes wrote:
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13) From: Ben Treichel
Dave Huddle wrote:
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Well, if you hand grind you sure can tell the difference in roasts based 
upon the effort required.
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14) From: Mike McGinness
From: "Peter R. Barnes" 
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I occasionally do a Mokha Java Latino blend. A Yemen, Sulawesi and a
Central. Aggressive full city/Vienna, full city, city respectively. Did it
first for a friend, it's one of their absolute favorites.
MM;-) aka Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
Dual Variable Transformer Rosto Roasting
Rocky grindin' - Miss Silvia brewin'
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15) From: AlChemist John
Sometime around 15:03 1/19/2003, Peter R. Barnes typed:
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I will heartily second this.  I have been doing a whirly blade for the past 
year and though this is just fine.  Then I started finding that some of my 
favorite beans were less than great.  I tried using a cheap hand burr spice 
mill and my cups drastically improved.  Friday I received in my deluxe Zass 
mill and then grind is SOOO consistent, but where it counts is that the 
cups are ever so silky. ahhhh.
On that note, I hereby request entry into the CSA.  If there was any doubt, 
I am now a snob!
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Roasting and Blending by Gestalt
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