The port of Houston has been named the nations newest port for importing green coffee. The expectation is that a number of businesses will be spun off this new import - roasting, marketing, distribution, etc. Tom, any comment on what this might mean to specialty coffee? Is it good, bad, no difference? homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
HEY!! Tom, you going to open a Texas branch now, I hope! Of course Houston is further than I can drive in a day so it really doesn't matter.
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Mike, That doesn't work either - being a diabetic, there is a direct ration to fluids in and stops made. There is a happy medium there somewhere - I've just never found it. I don't think the additional port in Houston is going to effect us in any way that our checkbooks will notice. Tom is situated pretty close now to a MAJOR importer so its not going to help him all that much either. But I'm for any additional ways to get coffee into Texas :) John
Since Tom is probably occupied somewhere else for the moment, I'll make a guess that this means a monster warehouse for comodity grade futures market coffee, a monster 1,000lb per hour continuous roaster nearby, and extra customs officials that can check container loads for drugs etc. Not necessarily any difference to specialty coffee. Just a guess. Charlie --- Jack Berry wrote: <Snip> ===== Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I worked in Houston 15+ years ago and Maxwell House had a big roaster plant near the ship canal. Possibly a tie in there. Oaxaca Charlie wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I'm in the Dallas/Fort Worth area and the way I've been buying greens is, the money goes to Houston and the beans are shipped out of New Orleans. Home Roasting is starting to hit very slowly here. "The Great Indoors" is started to sell small roasters with green beans. The green beans are going for $6.95 a pound and don't look healthy. I think the price of coffee will have sharp rises in the near future. Looking at 6-9 months from now. Joe Frabosilio homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Question is John; "Will it be real coffee or that stuff from the Dark Side?" Actuall, I think Tom should add a branch here and hire me to roast sample & taste. Once I retire from my current job, I'd work for beans! --- John Abbott wrote: <Snip>http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast<Snip> Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
--- joe frabosilio wrote: <Snip> near <Snip> Why do you think so, Joe? There were huge crops in most producing countries, and enough has been warehoused the last 2 years to keep comodity prices low. Even the specialty suppliers are selling most coffees for around $1 lb. On the other hand, many growers didn't pick at all this year and Central America is full of abandoned farms. Insect damage is increasing rapidly due to all the unpicked cherry and the labor force has moved to the cities to try and stay alive somehow. That's why I think that specialty coffee should go up in price sometime in the next 2 years. A US war in Colombia could complicate things, I suppose. Do you just have a hunch, or some inside info you'd like to share? Charlie ===== Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> Even the specialty suppliers <Snip> What kind of quantities are we talking about here? And what kind of suppliers? Is that what the green bean sellers pay when they buy several sacks, or is it what they get for mass quantities FOB a silo in Kenya? homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
I'm talking about what anyone would pay for 150 lb sacks of most Centrals, S.American and various African coffee from Specialty Importers and sellers like Royal Coffee in San Fransisco, as just one example. Freight to where you live is extra and varies. Indonesians are a little more expensive, Cert. organic,and FT a bit more, and exotics like Yemens and of course Konas and JBM can cost a lot more. The very best lots from anywhere, cupped with great care the way Tom does will always cost more and involve great contacts and much work just to find and have a chance to try. Mass quantities FOB in Kenya, if specialty quality, don't really cost that much less than from an importer in New York because the cost per lb of shipping by container is low and the competition amongst importers here is fierce. Mass quantities of comodity grade coffee can be as low as 40 cents per lb, if arabica and less for Robusta. Growers get much less. Charlie --- David Westebbe wrote: <Snip> ===== Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Jack, Cracked me up .... I could just see you standing on a corner holding a cardboard sign saying "Will work for beans" :O) The operative word though is WORK - as often as I fanaticize about going into some level of coffee business - my mind keeps yelling - YES BUT ITS WORK!! I'll just wait for Mike to send my ski mask back.
Hi Charlie, In your response was my answer. With Supply and Demand, Supply: Insec damage, unpicked cherry, abandoned farms, etc. The time factor is that Demand will be greater than Supply which drive up prices. A lot of futures traders are trading ahead by 6 months to 1 year contracts. I don't think the US will goto war with Colombia. The US has way too many problems, the plate is overloaded. The econonmic problems in Brazil have been heating up for the past 1-1 1/2 years and that may explode. All we need is a ripple effect in Central America and coffee players (traders) will come to the plate. Brazil has asked for more money from the IMF. Brazil should run out of money between March and June of this year. Unless they the IMF gave them more and didn't report it. If anyone gets a chance look at todays 2/24/03 Wall Street Journal page A13. Title "The Andean Arc of Instability" Its an interesting article, talking about Peru, Ecuador ,Columbia and Venezuala, with Inflation, GDP, and Foreign debt. Trust me I do love to buy SHB, SPOT prices off of the KCH3,K3,N3, & U3 contracts. which had another day of mass selling. Joe Frabosilio At 02:28 PM 2/24/2003 -0600, you wrote: <Snip> homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Hi Joe. Where to begin? With the low "C" price for coffee the big players have stocked up and filled all the warehouses because this commodity has been selling for way below the cost of production. What a deal, if someone has zero empathy for the producers of the coffee. Many, maybe most, who did pick and process their coffee this year dd so only by getting loans against next year's crop, set at another below cost rate plus interest. I've heard that many Vietnamese growers are bankrupt, I know that many Mexican and Central American growers are, but money laundering drug suppliers and corrupt politicos are buying up a lot of those places. How will all this affect the prices 6 to 9 months from now? I only ask so I can advize the growers I buy from whether or not they should hold on to some of their crop. I buy cash in advance for a price the growers and I can agree on that is above cost of production, and I also buy "spot" from US Specialty suppliers when I run low before the next Oaxaca harvest. Kch3,k3, n3 and u3? I have no idea what they are. I certainly do trust you to know more than me about that kind of business since it's all over my head. Have the futures prices for 6 months to a year from now gone up sharply? Or does the fact that people are buying so far in advance now indicate that the real money players expect the price to rise? Brazil and the rest of South and Central America going bankrupt means that coffee prices will rise? The IMF can use coffee as collateral at whatever price they want, no?(I don't know)The US is already so deep into Colombia now with military aid and CIA hostages etc. they pretty much are already at war there, full plate or not. How will this all affect homeroasters?;o) Charlie --- joe frabosilio wrote: <Snip> ===== Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, morehttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://taxes.yahoo.com/homeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
<Snip> Houston has been pushing this for a long time. It definitely has picked up some business, but in general this is the way people see it: New Orleans: Commodity grade coffees New York/NJ: Restaurant grade coffees SF/Oakland: Specialty coffees ....well... these are just roughly accurate since theres lots of very good Specialty that come through N.O., and there's crap that comes through Oakland ... but on the whole, I could never do business exclusively through NY or NO ... never! We trucked a LOT of coffee from Oakland when we were in OH. From NO we would only get Zimbabwe and Zambian, and only when I knew the coffee had just arrived there and had not sat down at the DePue warehouse. Hey, I roasted coffee in NO and used to go pick it up at DePue. That is the warehouse where the coffee is so scarey that a grader (someone who checks on old commodity lots to note their degradation over time as traders ping-pong the contract on it for years and years) found a severed finger in a bag of coffee! (sure it could be one of those myths, but I have heard it from a lot of roasters so of course it must be true!) I think Houston will want to have specialty and serve both coasts but people like me get really worried about coffee sitting in containers and warehouses at extreme temperatures and humidity. I know some La Minita comes through there, but not the stuff we get. I wouldn't trust Houston for that, because improper handling of the best coffees will make them worthless, and CR's really turn when they are mishandled. _tom -- "Great coffee comes from tiny roasters" Sweet Maria's Home Coffee Roasting - Tom & Maria 1455 64th Street Emeryville CA 94608 http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast">http://www.sweetmarias.comhomeroast mailing listhttp://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast
Extreme humidity? Extreme temperature? Houston? Twenty four seven, & I can't wait for its return! It's a great place to spend the spring (it's here now), summer & fall. (I've never seen a good winter, anywhere.) But Houston is probably not the best place to store coffee in non air conditioned warehouses.