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Topic: Espresso Machines (46 msgs / 976 lines)
1) From: William Richmond
Tom, List members --
I currently have a starbucks estro vapore espresso machine and was
considering upgrading to the machine that Tom is currently offering.  I was
wondering if any of the knowledgeable folks out there  could offer any
comments as to the differences between these machines.
Thanks
Bill

2) From: Isabel1130
Just make sure you budget for a good grinder to go with it.  More than half 
the battle in making good espresso is the grinder.  Without a good one it is 
darn near impossible.  Also if you want to research espresso machines, 
grinders etc, a good place to start is coffeekid.com.   Isabel

3) From: Robert Cantor
as the guru, do you think the Silvia's really the only machine woth getting
(under $400), or is there a less expensive machine that will do the same
thing?  Will a Bunn commercial grinder feed a Sylvia the right size grind or
will I need to change that also?  Is there anyplace to get refurbed or other
discounted Sylvias?
Thanks!
Bob C.
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4) From: Isabel1130
This is a question you might ask on alt.coffee.  Chances are good that 
someone there will have tried every possible machine/grinder combo and be 
able to tell you what to expect.  I personally own the Silvia and a Mazzer 
Mini.  The results I get are better than any coffee shop in town.  Probably 
better than most in the region.  Isabel
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5) From: Robert Cantor
I've been looking at espress machines myself, lately.  The Silvia is
popular, but it's brew temp isn't all that stable - some people report a
drop of over 15 degrees as the shot progresses when they're careful to time
things perfectly, and a drop of 30 degrees if not.   Still the Silvia is
probably the most highly recommended machine on usenet - certainly in its
price range.
Maybe, if 4 of us are interested, or if we can get our host interested, we
could take advantage of Salvatore's offer to get 4 machines for the price of
three.http://www.salvatore-espresso.com/homemach.htmlI'm more interested in a heat exchange model because of the more consistant
temp.  I'd be open to other ideas.  I spoke to Wendy at Salvatore's and she
said the temp was set on 180 on older models and now is set higher, but the
temp is user adjustable, so it may be the ideal machine.  I'd go for the
home model with knobs to have better control over the steam.
It is a lot of money, but at least you get what you pay for.  To me a $400
machine should have a stable temp, but the fact is, none of them seem to.
sigh...
Bob C.
rcantor

6) From: Angelo
 
Bob,
By using the "temp surfing" technique established by Greg Sace(?), you can 
achieve a very stable temp on the Silvia. More info  can be found on Randy 
G's web page as well as on Chris(europa's)page...
As to the Salvatore "deal", Zabar's was recently (still?) selling them for 
about $800-900...You might want to check it out..
Ciao,
Angelo
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7) From: Greg Scace
 
At 11:08 PM 9/8/2001 -0500, you wrote:
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Gee, that's not my experience at all.  I've done some pretty exhaustive 
measurements on my Silvia's temperature stability and it stays within a 
degree or so.  The report I posted on the measurements is archived 
somewhere on alt.coffee.  It's entitled "Temperature study of my Sylvia 
(long)", or something to that effect.
What is true about Silvia and prolly other single boiler machines that use 
thermoswitches to activate the heater is that the brew temperature can vary 
from shot to shot, depending on when you pulled the shot in relation to 
when the heater circuit turned on.  This is because thermoswitches turn on 
when the temperature drops to a lower threshold value and then turn off 
when the temperature rises to the upper threshold value (dead band 
temperature control).
Based on the results of the first set of stability measurements that I 
made, we developed a method of timing when to pull a shot based on when the 
heater circuit became active.  It's archived on Randy G's website athttp://www.quiknet.com/~frcn/Coffee/HowToTemperature.htmlUsing this technique, one can achieve very consistent temperatures from a 
Silvia (within a degree or two) and consequently consistently great espresso.
The Silvia is highly regarded because it is built like a tank and gives 
consistent, excellent results.  It's certainly an excellent choice as an 
espresso machine if one is not jonesing for the ability to steam and brew 
simultaneously.
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8) From: Angelo
 
Greg,
I have a question about the method outlined on Randy's page. Does it make a 
difference whether you run the water from the steam wand or the brew switch?
What I do now is to put the empty portafilter on and run the water through 
it into the cup(I make cappas and use the direct fill method). This heats 
up the PF and the cup. When the light comes on I start my timer, put the 
basket in the PF, empty the now hot cup, wait for the beep and start my 
shot.. I've done it the other way(using the steam wand switch), but I 
prefer this sequence...
Is there any disadvantage, temp-wise, to doing it this way?
Thanks,
Angelo
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9) From: Anthony
Thank you Greg for answering the question (Silvia temp control) I've
been wanting to ask!  Now maybe I also can get better than just acceptable
shots.
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11) From: Greg Scace
 
Not that I can tell particularly, although you have to fill and tamp pretty 
quickly.  I'm a pretty picky filler and tamper and I prolly take more than 
30 seconds to accomplish these tasks.  So I used to preheat my cup by 
running water thru the empty pf, remove the pf, fill and tamp, then replace 
the pf and hit the hot water switch until the thermoswitch tripped.  But my 
way ain't the only way fer sher.  The key is to time the beginning of the 
shot from when the thermoswitch comes on.  How you get the switch to come 
on is up to your individual artistic expression.
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12) From: Robert Cantor
Wow, THE Greg Scace, on the homeroast list.  Hi!   The numbers I gave were
from alt.coffee, too, but I don't have a citation.  The boiler surf and PID
mods are in my bookmarks, even though I don't own a Silvia.
Bob C.
rcantor

13) From: MMore
I'm thinking of upgrading my Solis SL70 to a new machine.  Looking for 
recommendations.  I've read on the SM site the accolades accorded to the SL 90.  On 
this list, the Rancilia Sylvia seems to be a favorite.  
Looking forward to all your responses.
Michael A. Roaster of Vienna, Va.

14) From: miKe mcKoffee
I don't believe going from an SL70 to SL90 would be an upgrade, just
semi-automatic to automatic shots. You'd still have undersized PF etc. As
usual, I suggest spending time reading machine reviews on coffeegeek.com.
Two years with Missy and I'm satisfied with the performance of Miss Silvia
given her temp limitations, ie. the need to surf each shot which isn't that
big a deal. When doing back to back shots it's just part of the rhythm and
doesn't take any more time. First shot (after warm-up) I just pull a blank
through PF 'till heater light comes on, load PF, pull when heater light goes
out. If you do, or plan on doing, lots of milk based I'd suggest looking at
HX or dual boiler. Waiting for boiler temp to go up for steam then down for
shot is a "pain", especially if you're not the most patient type:-) Same for
any single boiler non-HX machine. Lots of good espresso machines out there.
Kona Konnaisseur miKe mcKoffee
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15) From: Kelly G. Wilson
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I adopted the Rocky and Sylvia combo about a month and a half ago and am =
incredibly pleased. Great shots, rock solid and very easy on the eye.
Kelly
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An easy bargain; yet I keep the thorn,
To keep the rose."
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16) From: Tom Starustka
I have read that the Gaggia machines tend to corrode due to the aluminum
boiler.  How does everyone rate the Capresso machines compared to Gaggia?
Tom S

17) From: Pecan Jim Gundlach
I don't know about Capresso, but I had boiler problems on three out of 
five Gaggias over the years.   Finally went to Silvia with brass 
boiler.
       Jim Gundlach
On Nov 1, 2004, at 8:53 PM, Tom Starustka wrote:
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18) From: Edward Spiegel
At 8:53 PM -0600 11/01/04, Tom Starustka wrote:
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Since aluminum won't corrode when only exposed to water, I am dubious about this claim. I had the Coffee Gaggia (or whatever their low end machine was 17 years ago) for 10 years with no problems and my brother has had one for over 10. The pump eventually gave out on mine (after 10 years of use). If you can afford a Silvia, I would go for it. But I don't think that you will find a better espresso machine for around $200 than the Gaggias and you will probably get many years of use out of them.
Best,
Edward

19) From: John Blumel
On Nov 1, 2004, at 11:50pm, Edward Spiegel wrote:
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Except that most water has a lot more in it than just water. However, 
although I don't have any experience with aluminum boilers, my 
suspicion has always been that people were always more worried about 
the supposed (controversial at best, possibly bogus) Alzheimer's risk 
than that the water would corrode a whole through the boiler wall.
John Blumel

20) From: John Blumel
On Nov 2, 2004, at 8:18am, John Blumel wrote:
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Make that, "... a hole through the boiler wall."
John Blumel

21) From: Dan Bollinger
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John,  I did some cursory research on this a few years ago. The Alzheimer's
link has been disproven. However, AL consumption is still cautioned for
pregnant women (or perhaps soon to be pregnant women). And, the safe daily
limit for AL is very, very low. So low, that using an aluminum boiler
espresso machine for a couple of cappas a day might put you over the limit.
One of the problems is that you get a good deal of AL from general exposure
anyway. If this strikes people as strange, just note that mineral
supplements don't add AL. So, since we have options, why not take the least
risky one? Dan

22) From: John Blumel
On Nov 2, 2004, at 8:23am, Dan Bollinger wrote:
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Well, I'm not exactly arguing in favor of aluminum boilers. I was 
mainly pointing out that my impression of why aluminum boilers are 
'unpopular' had more to do with perceived health risk than with 
corrosion issues. That being said, overexposure to most (perhaps all?) 
metals, including the nickel used to line brass boilers, can result in 
toxic effects. But, the form of the metal has a lot to do with 
potential toxicity -- for example, the hardened or anodized aluminum 
used in most cookware today releases almost no aluminum, even in the 
presence of acidic foods.
However, I don't have enough information on the aluminum used in 
boilers or the nickel plating used on brass to feel that I can make an 
informed decision about the relative health risks of either type of 
boiler. On the other hand, it has also been my impression that the main 
reason for using an aluminum boiler in an espresso machine was cost 
and, all else being equal, I'd be likely to opt for a brass boiler over 
an aluminum one on the grounds that the manufacturer isn't trying to 
cut corners on quality. Of course, I could be wrong.
John Blumel

23) From: AlChemist John
I don't have a Capresso, only a gaggia.  The corrosion problem is directly 
water related.  I have pretty low mineral, non-corrosive water and have not 
signs of corrosion in the boiler.
Sometime around 06:53 PM 11/1/2004, Tom Starustka typed:
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24) From: Dan Bollinger
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I understand what you'd meant. Your post offerred me the best place to
insert what I'd learned.
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Granted, and an aluminum boiler isn't going to be anodized. It will probably
by cast and cast aluminum is a form of AL that corrodes easily.
Dan

25) From: Alex Fitch
Any one have any thoughts, feelings or experience with the Rancilio  
Silvia?
thanks,
Alex
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26) From: Gary Foster
I love my silvia.  I just sort of liked it without the PID, but once I 
put an auber pid kit on it my wife started accusing me of having a 
mistress.  If you get one, get a PID kit first thing or buy one 
preinstalled because it really makes a huge difference.
It has GREAT steaming power, pulls awesome shots with a little practice 
and is built like a tank.  I have it on a timer so it is hot for me when 
I wake up (it takes 45 mins or so to heat everything up if you don't do 
the "cheating Miss Silvia" routine).
She has the reputation (deservedly so) for being finicky as hell and 
will make you nail down your grind and tamp, as well as the temp surfing 
if you don't have a PID.  Before I put the pid on her, I was about ready 
to trade her in and decided to clean her up and give her one last go for 
old time's sake and I pulled pretty near close to a God shot (my one and 
only so far).  I had my wife taste it (she's a philistine about her drip 
coffee but picky as hell about espresso) and all she said was a sort of 
breathless "oh my".  At that point I realized I wasn't going to trade 
her in at all, so I bought the PID.
It takes some time to master her temp surf dance and she can be cranky 
as hell when she wants to, but the PID tames her quite a bit and takes 
her into the "I couldn't touch a replacement for her for the price I 
paid" range IMO.
I got my PID from the auber folks, I paid about half what the pidkits 
people charge and it mounts quite a bit more cleanly (IMO) instead of 
being stuck out the side like a wing.
Personally, for the price I can't imagine a better choice.  You *can* 
get better machines of course, and the single boiler design can be a 
real PITA if you're making milk drinks for a lot of people, but one or 
two capps at a time is no sweat.  You'll have to pay a lot more money to 
get a better machine than the Silvia IMO.
-- Gary F.
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27) From: Mike Koenig
Alex,
In my opinion, the Silvia is about the best machine is the sub-$1000
category, it's also quite popular, so there is a large pool of
net-wisdom on it, and there are lots of tweaks, such as PID
temperature control (highly recommended).  Mine has kept me from
upgrade fever for quite a few years now, (though I feel the urges
coming on).
That being said,  espresso machines are very much like computers...
you should always buy the best you can afford at the time,  since
eventually you will want to upgrade.  The more you spend now, the
longer it will last before you feel the need to upgrade.
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28) From: Sandy Andina
I love my Silvia, but agree that she is extremely finicky even when in  
tip-top condition (which mine no longer is, alas).  Because I now not  
only have to temp-surf but turn her off after an hour and let her cool  
before firing her up and "cheating" her to temp again*--and because I  
had been using her solely as a backup to an HX machine from June '05  
when I wanted greater capacity until said HX broke down last July and  
is still being held hostage to an either incompetent or overworked  
shop (suspect a little of the former and a lot of the latter)--it is  
time to find myself a working high-quality but nonetheless affordable  
HX.  I may, once I have said e61-equipped HX chugging away on my  
counter, have Silvia PID'ed, but I will not delude myself into  
thinking that would give it the same abilities as a prosumer HX,  
having been to the well before.  Besides, you all know my aversion to  
monkeying around inside very expensive electric/electronic machinery.   
I hire a CPA to do my taxes, a mechanic to change my oil and tune my  
car, a dentist to scale and fill my teeth, a doctor to perform surgery  
and tests, a pressing plant to replicate my CDs, and another lawyer to  
represent me in matters to which I am a party;  DIY should be the  
province of the confidently competent, and should be avoided if there  
is any doubt or potential to cause financial or physical harm.  If I  
ruin a roast, at worst I've blown the cost of a pound of beans. If I  
screw up a machine mod or repair, I could be out up to a thousand  
bucks.  No, if I decide to PID my Silvia, it'll be at the hands of an  
experienced (and proven) pro.
* she's having issues with a faulty OPV and probably a leaky solenoid  
as well
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29) From: raymanowen
"...incompetent or overworked shop (suspect a little of the former and a lot
of the latter)"
The shop is overworked BECAUSE they're incompetent.
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30) From: raymanowen
More R&R-
"she's having issues with a faulty OPV and probably a leaky solenoid as
well"
Two things failed simultaneously on a fairly new machine? I Doubt it. Even
if one caused the other to fail, what was the original failure, and why?
I think I'm familiar with the shop- Oliver is the Sorcerer and Stan is his
apprentice.
If the Imbeciles replace enough parts, eventually they'll get the bad one.
The technique is known as "FM."
Judging from your original experience after they 'fixxed' it, they're not
even sure how it's supposed to work. Scary.
I'd like to see these PhD's work on my old doorbell. Next, they'd need a
plumber and a laundromat. I patched it with some fiberglass tape, but
removed the front button...
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
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31) From: Bryan Wray
Well I'm surprised I'm the first to say this, but the Silvia is a great machine under certain applications...
We need a few details first before we can really suggest it one way or the other.
1) What is your budget? (make sure you have a great grinder first, otherwise Silvia will seem REALLY picky, I would say a Rocky at the least)
2) What kind of drinks are you going to be making?  Silvias really aren't that great if you are going to be making lattes and the like, just because of the amount of time it takes for them to get up to steam temp/down to brew temp, so keep that in mind.
That 'tis all
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32) From: Alex Fitch
1) About $600 max. As for the Grinder my Dad has Maestro plus (which  
me thinks is inadequate after hand around here for a few weeks). This  
will be a gift (and possible a test drive for my next one).
2) He will drink 99% espresso, and on rear occasion make a drink  
involving milk for someone. He will pull 4-8 a day on average ( his  
one vise). But at least now you know how I ended up here!
Thanks
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33) From: Sandy Andina
Actually, I got the skinny from a competitor today (more about that in  
a moment).  According to the owner of Cora Italian Specialties (which  
services Metropolis and Intelligentsia and from where I just got my  
new machine), the shop I'd been dealing with suffered a direct hit  
when several techs quit to seek greener pastures.
About that new machine--it's sitting in my car trunk right now, since  
I'm staying in a hotel north of the city for the night--it's basically  
an Andreja Premium with a few bells and whistles:  bigger drip tray,  
tank accessible without removing the cover or even the cups, no-burn  
steam and hot water wands, and big, solid pro-quality steam and hot  
water knobs.  (The owner, who'd been using a Rancilio Audrey, went to  
Quickmill with his wish-list of features and now uses this machine at  
home with his Rocky). Won't mention the price, as that's not kosher  
for a product similar to what Tom & Maria sell; but I will say to be  
fair to SM's that because of the IL sales tax those of you outside the  
area would probably still do better buying from SM's (I incurred no  
delivery charge, because I opted to take it with me, though they would  
have delivered it free next Thurs., which is the day they deliver to  
my neck of the woods).  This time I demoed a floor model--was tempted  
to go for the La Spaz S1 but for the direct-plumb/Flojet requirement  
(I may not be in this big house with a big kitchen in a few years once  
we're empty nesters) and the disparity in PF diameter--I have all  
these 58mm accessories. We talked as we let it come up to temp, and  
then dialed the place's Mazzer SJ into it (using Danesi beans) till we  
got a couple of perfect ristretti.  It is substantial enough that I  
can lock in the PF with one hand--good thing, as that e61 group can  
get pretty toasty; and I got the hang of using that lever (really a  
device for pushing a spring-loaded button) pretty quickly.  Can't wait  
to haul it upstairs tomorrow afternoon (or wait for my son to do it)  
and fire it up.  Too bad I will immediately have to spend the rest of  
the day faxing stuff to our tax accountant.
So I finally have a grownup machine!  (Will ask the other shop for  
either my broken Livia back and eventually have Cora fix it and I'll  
sell it, or a reasonable sum for parts). Will also have Cora take a  
look at Silvia to see if anything is leaking or (shudder) broken.
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34) From: Alex Fitch
1) About $600 max. As for the Grinder my Dad has Maestro plus (which  
me thinks is inadequate after hand around here for a few weeks). This  
will be a gift (and possible a test drive for my next one).
2) He will drink 99% espresso, and on rear occasion make a drink  
involving milk for someone. He will pull 4-8 a day on average ( his  
one vise). But at least now you know how I ended up here!
T
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35) From: Bill
Sandy,
congrats on getting a new matcheen!  Sounds wonderful!  Hopefully this is
the happy ending to all of the machine drama!  Congrats
bill
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36) From: Sandy Andina
You misunderstand, Ray.  That's *my* assessment based on posts here as  
well as on CoffeeGeek; and my Silvia was purchased in January '05,  
hardly "fairly new." She's been "rode pretty hard 'n' put up wet" ever  
since Livia went to sick bay.  Now that I have that new HX machine, I  
will probably have Cora take a gander at Silvia to see what if  
anything is wrong with her.
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37) From: raymanowen
"...several techs quit to seek greener pastures."
It's all clear now. The Finger points to the Asylum's manager. Mr. Dithers
thinks the techs are all his and will kiss the blow hole for the privilege
of working for him.
Maybe not- Metropolis on the 16th St. Mall at Stout in Denver needs
competent service. He might have already been visited by Stan and Ollie
before they went east to the Asylum.
If you get incompetent service, the techs could even be Orangutans. The
Finger still points at the manager that can't provide honest service, and
still collects a King's Ransom salary.
Unfortunately, you happened to talk to his friends, who were blowing smoke.
You used to have to bake the mechanics a cherry pie to get them to work on
your Corvair. Even then, they couldn't do it. where do they get off thinking
they can foist incompetence on espresso machine owners?
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38) From: Brett Mason
If 'twer me, I would
1.  buy a good grinder - say a Rocky, or a Mazzer used;
2.  Add a Gaggia of some sort, and then start saving for an upgrade Espresso
machine....
Brett
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39) From: Sandy Andina
Hey, Brett, welcome back!  I second your advice, now that it appears  
that Gaggia has started phasing in stainless steel boilers in place of  
the aluminum (well, at least on its new boiler+thermoblock "Twin" and  
maybe on its new Espresso line, which contains a semiauto in black or  
stainless and an auto--i.e., volumetric dosing--in colors).  If these  
latter <$500 single-boiler Gaggias indeed no longer have aluminum  
boilers, they constitute a viable alternative to the Rancilio Silvia,  
and perhaps more beginner-friendly--and with a long owner-satisfaction  
curve prior to upgrading to an HX or dual-boiler (if ever).
On another note, I unpacked my new Quickmill "La Cora" and after an  
unbearable (the first time is always the most agonizing) wait for it  
to heat up, pulled my first breve on it.  Using Monkey on day 4 post- 
roast (the sweet spot), I filled the triple LM basket that comes in  
its double PF....and promptly choked the machine. Oops. Backed off a  
couple of notches on the Mazzer, filled the PF only level this time,  
and ooh-wee:  gorgeous amber dribble into my shot glass.  Darn near  
killed me to have to pour it into the cup to receive the foam.  As to  
foam, the fat no-burn steamwand with 2-hole tip and heavy-duty steam  
knob gave me power and control--was able to get microfoam out of 4 oz.  
of half-and-half (!) in a teeny 12-oz. pitcher in under 10 seconds,  
but not so fast that it got away from me like with the Livia.  Haven't  
tried the hot water tap for an Americano yet (it's getting awfully  
late in the day and I haven't any roasted decaf on hand) but I may  
sacrifice some Monkey (and later some sleep) for the cause of  
science.  Getting used to the cooling-flush protocol; Livia, because  
she didn't have an e61 group, needed a briefer warming flush instead.   
The lever is no different than flipping a rocker switch (Silvia) or  
pushing a membrane button (Livia).
Cora (alias Andreja) and I am gonna get along fine (as long as I  
remember not to touch that grouphead casing)!
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40) From: miKe mcKoffee
Congrats on acquiring a 'working' decent prosumer machine. Indeed, you learn
fast to appreciate the looks AND FEEL of the E-61 group at idle:-) 
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41) From: Sandy Andina
BTW, anyone have access to an Andreja Premium owners' manual they can  
scan and e-mail me as a .pdf?  There was none packed in the box that  
came with my Quickmill La Cora (actually an Andreja Premium), and the  
Quickmill site won't let me download one unless I log in--and it won't  
process my registration attempt.
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42) From: R Nepsund
I did a quick google on it.  One of these URL's should be what your looking
for
www.caffetech.com/pages/files/Quick%20Mill/Andreja%20Premium/andreja-premium-vendor-instructions.pdf
www.bellabarista.co.uk/pdf/AndrejaPremiumcloserlookv6.pdf
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43) From: Sandy Andina
Wow! Thank you SO much!!!
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44) From: Jim Gundlach
Sandy,
      I have the manual, scanned it in but for some reason - I haven't  
read the manual - I can only make one .pdf file per page.   I'll send  
you all seven files.
           pecan jim
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45) From: Sandy Andina
Thanks, Jim--saved and printed them!  Was a little nervous that when I  
first turned the machine on I didn't shut it off after 30 seconds (but  
I don't think the boiler took a full 30 seconds to fill before the  
pump shut off).  I do run a little water out the group now when I turn  
it on.
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46) From: stereoplegic
someone mentioned the new stainless boilers on the Gaggia! Yahoo group 
(see my sigtag), and i agree w/ Robert (Tex)'s line of thinking because:
1. as he mentioned, the group is still chromed brass, and wouldn't the 
nobler metal still corrode the stainless? this is why i flushed my 
(aluminum boiler) Carezza and now flush my old style Baby D (volumetric 
dosing, which i never use) constantly (and the water's never stale that 
way).
2. stainless is far inferior in terms of heat retention to aluminum 
(though mine is insulated anyway-thanks again to Alchemist for the 
Kaowool tip!)
i got my (new, but older model) Baby D for $318 w/ free shipping on 
Amazon from WLL and ripped her open right away. w/ Auber PID and 
platinum RTD sensor (instead of K, J, T, whatever type thermocouple, so 
i can read and set temps by tenths of a degree), Silvia steam wand mod, 
ceramic insulation around the boiler, OPV- and dimmer-adjusted brew 
pressure mod, and soon perhaps the passive preheat mod mentioned on CG 
and Gaggia!, she is a force to be reckoned  with and for much less than 
Silvia new. if you don't mind a little tinkering, this may be the way to 
go (btw, should your boiler ever corrode, gaggiaparts.com (aka 
partsguru.com) has them for very cheap, much less than Silvia's if the 
heating element burns out due to empty boiler, which isn't likely if 
even possible w/ a Gaggia (external heating elements)).
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