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Topic: Alp Cleaning (19 msgs / 428 lines)
1) From: Kathleen Tinkel
Not too different from Coffeenut and the others who responded to this
thread - I brush the loose chaff and other rubbish into the chaff tray,
which I empty, then brush out anything that managed to get beneath it. I
remove the vent and brush it out completely, then poke my brush into the
fan chamber and pull out any loose chaff I can reach in there.
Every so often, I swab the doors and any other obviously gunked-up places
with isopropyl, and put the chaff tray, drum, bean catcher, and vent into
the dishwasher.
The plastic exterior doesn't much like alcohol, I find - though it does
need to be cleaned, especially above the vent. So I use a little cleaning
solution on a paper towel.
I also clean the FreshRoast when I'm using it - brushing out everything I
can reach (most certainly including the top screen of the chaff collector!)
- and have run the roasting jar and other movable parts in the top tray of
the dishwasher.
From Tom's description, it almost sounds as if some people just use
roasters without cleaning them at all - I don't have any buildup in the top
of the FR, even though I don't spend much time cleaning, either...

2) From: aryaniam
Does anyone who has had an Alp for quite awhile know for sure if it needs to
be thoroughly cleaned?  I am interested in anyone who has talked to Swissmar
or another reputable source and has gotten the truth on this one.
I haven't seen anything about cleaning, other than the 4 components which
are all dishwasher safe.  If it does require cleaning, what do you use and
how often?  Let me know.
Frank from Texas

3) From: coffenut
The short answer is "yes" and it comes right from the guy who invented the
product.  If you head over to the archive (below) and put "Alp clean" in the
search field, you'll see a fair amount of discussion on this topic.http://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/index.htmCoffenut  :^)
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4) From: Michael Vanecek
The buildup needs to be wiped off with a damp cloth. Not wet. Be
prepared to scrub a little on some areas and change/rinse clothes often.
Pay close attention to the flapper doors - especially their edges. If
they get too gooped up they can stick closed. As with all things
electrical and mechanical, apply a judicial amount of common sense - no
dripping water, avoid abrasives like Comet and the like, don't spray the
machine down or dunk it. Have fun...
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5) From: John Cramer
Yes, it does. Urn cleaner in HOT water cuts thru most of the buildup as if it
were room temperature butter. Following up with alcohol removes the urn
cleaner film.
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6) From: Dave Huddle
Last week I mentioned using Shaklee At-Ease Heavy-Duty Cleaner on my
Alp reflector and doors, and Marius Johnston mentioned using 409
spritzed on a paper towel.
So I tried them both.  Seems to me the 409 is just as good, easier to
buy, and probably a lot less expensive.   (I had initially used the
Shaklee stuff because it was in sight, in the kitchen; the 409 was out
of sight, in the basement.)
I'm not worried about residue from 409.  Like Marius, I finish cleaning
with a water-dampended paper towel, then polish with a dry dish
towel.   Still shiny as new after 60+ roasts.
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7) From: Marius Johnston
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the feed back
Marius Johnston
Amador County, CA
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8) From: Tim Jolicoeur
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 Hi all, this is my first post to this site and I am looking forward to =
many more in the future. I purchased a Alp in the beginning of March and =
have roasted quite a few pounds of green beans, however I noticed a hazy =
film developing on the mirror like surfaces especially on the lid. Is =
there a product to cut thru this hard to remove haze. Any help would be =
appreciated. Thanks. 
Best Regards,
Timothy M. Jolicoeur
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9) From: Ron
SNIP from Tim
Hey Tim, welcome to the list.
I use 409 cleaner and follow up with a rag dampened with clear water. It
works great at removeing  the deposit. don't forget to clean the doors and
where they seat. I've also tried a suggestiong from a list member, using
black coffee, it works good also, and no chemicals. good luck.
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10) From: Tim Jolicoeur
Thanks Ron, I have been using Windex but am quite concerned with the =
ammonia smell seeing how absorbent green beans are. Thanks for the =
reminder of the butterfly doors at the fan. TJ

11) From: McConnel
I have some questions about the efficacy of cleaning the Alpenrost in order
to maintain the mirrored lid interior as a reflector of heat.. It seems to
me that the beans are heated by conduction from the drum which absorbs
radiant heat from the coils in the bottom of the roaster. I figure that the
upper interior of the chamber has a layer of (ultimately smokey) heated air
surrounding the rotating drum.  Maintaining that heat would seem to be more
an insulation consideration being as how the radiant heat source is on the
opposite side of the drum.
I believe Rick said he has measured a 15 second longer second roast if he
doesn't clean the surface between roasts. Is this a cumulative or a one time
OK, I admit it. I don't clean mine other than a quick rag wipe out. I don't
do exact time comparisons of roasts, but after 150 roasts the times seem to
be fairly consistent. I've convinced myself that build-up on the interior
and doors gives the roaster more insulation.
I'd like a good excuse to continue being lazy.

12) From: Michael Vanecek
The interior of my Alp is nice and tarnished with roasting oils. I clean 
off that powdery buildup a bit and wipe it down once and a while, but 
the roaster is definitely "seasoned". As to the metal on the lid - I 
think that's more to keep the plastic cover from getting too hot and 
melting than to reflect heat back to the coffee. The burners do a fair 
job of heating up that coffee and I doubt a mirror or tarnished finish 
on the lid heat-shield would make any noticeable difference in roast 
times all things being equal. I try to keep *excessive* buildup under 
control and don't fret the staining or oil tarnish. So far after...a 
couple of years or three of roasting (lost count - once every 5 days 
plus extras for friends and inlaws) on the Alp, no problems. My spare 
Alp rarely gets used. I do take a toothbrush to the vents inside the 
exhaust/fan chamber to get the residue powder gunk out. I could stand to 
remove the heat-shield to clean between it and the plastic cover, but 
it's just that white stuff that really hasn't restricted airflow enough 
to worry about. Sigh - I think a better design would have been to blow 
air in rather than pull air out. God knows what kind of shape the fan 
motor is in or how much out-of-sight buildup there is.
McConnel wrote:

13) From: miKe mcKoffee
From: "McConnel" 
 OK, I admit it. I don't clean mine other than a quick rag wipe out. I
Well, I've *heard* some people clean the roast chamber of the Rosto too. Uh,
take a look athttp://home.attbi.com/~mdmint/coffee/RostoFuse.htmwhich will
answer my opinion on the need to clean the Rosto chamber! (Two years ago it
was all nice and shiny stainless steel:-) You have my *permission* to
continue your current procedure...
FrankenFormer Rosto Roastin' - Royally Balance Brewin'
Rocky grindin' - Miss Silvia brewin' too!
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14) From: Ron
snip from Tom
Tom I have done as many as 8 batches without cleaning and have not notice a
great deal of difference, I'm like you I wonder if all this cleaning is
actually necessary, Im basicly lazy. I'm sure there will be several post
that will say the opposite.
If you have run 150 roast through yours without cleaning, just an occasional
wipe, and have had no problems, Mabey its not needed. I hope you are wright,
I think I will do some prolonged roasting without cleaning and see what
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15) From: Ron
thanks Tom, and Michael, you have convinced me, I think roasting just got
easier with the Alp.

16) From: Rick Farris
Geez, I'd like a good excuse to start being lazy!
When I first got my Alp it was five days before Christmas and I had
committed to giving coffee as gifts.  I had about 15 pounds of coffee that
had to be roasted in three days.  I ran 9- to 10- roasts a day.
The second roast in my new Alp finished in about 17 minutes.  (The first one
is always longer due to warm-up.)  By the end of the day I couldn't roast
all the way to 2nd crack in 20 minutes.  Before starting the next day I
cleaned out the interior and was hitting second again.
In the meantime, in the interest of shortening up roast times to the 14- to
16- minute range I've tweaked my Alp to run a little hotter.  I imagine that
I could run many roasts before it would take 20 minutes, or perhaps once the
build-up reaches a certain point, a steady state is hit.
At any rate, it's a pain in the neck cleaning and I'm always afraid I'm
going to break the door off at the hinges.
-- Rick

17) From: Rick Farris
Mike writes:
Generally speaking, common practice in cooling design is to
have the fan pull air out because a) the heat produced by
the fan is not added to the heat in the box and b) the
airflow through the box is more easily modeled.
Having said that, I think I remember that the HotTop fan
pushes air into the box, which would account for the common
statement that the HotTop "leaks smoke like a sieve."
-- Rick

18) From: David Lewis
At 8:21 AM -0700 4/16/03, Rick Farris wrote:
Nope, it pulls out the back, albeit only part of the time. A little 
smoke comes out around the load door, but it's mostly out the back at 
the fan except for a little at the end when the hot beans are dumped 
into the cooling tray. I can do a Hottop roast under a standard 
overhead range hood with less smell in the house than the HWP used to 
produce. It's likely that the pre-production units were different.
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19) From: Ron
snip from Ricks Post.
I will second that Rick, I've decided to try the not cleaning route.
I have 6 roasts so far and have not noticed any change in time. More will be
reveiled I guess.
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