Hey everyone, I need a Zass ASAP! Can I get some input on what some of you current owners might prefer and why? I'm thinking that all the burrs are problably the same in all, but maybe the portables. However, does a particular design type make much of a difference? I'm sort of leaning towards the open hopper model, if for no other reason then the fact that it may be easier/faster to get the beans in, early in the mornings! However, my grinding needs are for mostly vac pot brewing, followed by a bit of french press brewing. My highest priority would be grind quality, followed by quickest, then, easiest grinding. Thanks for any advice on this. Regards, Mike F.
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 08:43, Michael J. Foley wrote: <Snip> I find the knee grinder much more comfortable to use than the box grinder. Be well, Lissa -- We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary. óBooker T. Washington (1856-1915)
I agree with Lissa. The knee grinder is the way to go. Great for those inner thigh muscles too. Dave typing (very slowly) lefthanded, grinding righthanded <Snip>
Knee/counter.... sometimes may depend on whether you stand in the kitchen or not. I have several Zass boxes as a friend collects coffee grinders. I tried a lot of different ones. The one I prefer is the 169, other then the 'what the hell were they thinking about drawer size' issue, it can be gripped a lot easier for counter use. Also, I notice the center rotating burr is smaller in size compared to the other models but the outer fixed burr is larger and I think this allows for more beans to be processed per revolution. Side by side I get less turns using the same weight/type of bean on the 169. Respectfully, Rich Adams
And I find the box grinder to be easier to hold down on a counter top or on the lap...but the beans gather better in the narrow drawer of the knee grinder... I was afraid of the closed hopper-but it does keep dust out and the beans in. No hassle loading it. I would go for the closed hopper. enjoy! myron <Snip> #######################################################################< >#### <Snip> TrendMicro Interscan <Snip> This mail was sent via PineApp.com ************************************************************************************ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. ************************************************************************************
I have the knee grinder. I'm not thrilled with the small opening for the beans and the fact that it doesn't sit well on the counter for grinding...I find myself walking around with it, like I did with the Turkish mill...I have some other box grinders which are larger and are easier to use on a counter.. I've tried using the knee grinder between my knees, but it just proved too uncomfortable..Your knees may vary... Ciao, Angelo <Snip>
Mike, I really like my 169DG better than the others (the other two). It just looks and feels cool. Doesn't work better than the others it just has a special something lacking in the other models. TerryF
Sometime around 07:30 6/9/2003, Rich Adams typed: <Snip> I have only the 169 but like it quite a bit, again noting the small drawer size. I can grind a pot's worth of coffee, about 60g, in 2-2.5 minute, with one transfer of grounds in the middle. -- John Nanci AlChemist at large Zen Roasting and Blending by Gestalt
Brett, That's a great gift--I'm sure your boss appreciated it. It is good he likes coffee, that way he doesn't mind when you make coffee at work. My boss doesn't drink coffee, and he just gives me strange looks when I brew a pot. But he has never said I can't make coffee at work, so I continue to do so. I like to go on road trips to take pictures a couple of times a year, and the Zass goes with me on those trips (along with a couple of metal press pots). Take care, Greg ---------
I landed in Cedar Rapids in July... I started with my hotpot, press and an old Zass. Now my whole side of the hallway roasts their own... (my boss and two colleagues ... ) And they say that evangelism can be offensive. I just cannot imagine such.= .. AND I only told them about Sweet Marias... everybody wins.... Brett On 12/19/05, gregcoffeeroast wrot= e: <Snip> es <Snip> t. <Snip> . <Snip> -- Regards, Brett Mason HomeRoast __]_ _(( )_ Please don't spill the coffee!
Frank - I have the exact same setup for my coffee. I found the Zass to be perfect - I only stopped when it aggrevated my arthritis, and bursitis, and whatever other itises I might have. Used it for a few months with no problems. (I love my FP & Mokapot, btw) Lynne On 5/16/07, Frank Awbrey wrote: <Snip> -- "The problem with writing about religion is that you run the risk of offending sincerely religious people, and then they come after you with machetes." Dave Barry
Frank, You probably saw the notice from Maria: "*STOCK NOTICE - Well - it seems that Zassenhaushas re-organized, re-shuffled, re-whatever, and will once again be in business. We ought to have a limited selection of mills by early June 2007. Maria 3-6-07"* If the stars all align properly and the creek don't rise, you may be able to buy one of the "new Zass" grinders next month. Brian On 5/16/07, Frank Awbrey wrote: <Snip>
I've had my Zass for a few years now (bought it from SM before the drought). Love it. I use it exclusively for drip coffee because I'm too lazy to dial my electric grinder back in for espresso. On 5/16/07, Brian Kamnetz wrote: <Snip>
Frank, To add to the other feedback, I have two. I've been using a 169DG for almost 4 years and it's been fine for everything from espresso to drip. I've ground for moka pot, espresso, French Press, Vac pot, and Chemex. Thought about doing the ibrik that way, but too much work. I have a knee mill for the office/travel. And I just scored my first real electric grinder last night off of fleabay - a Cory. But it'll likely be occasionally only - Zass is still my main grinder. Jason <Snip> -- Jason Brooks jbrookshttp://javajeb.wordpress.com
--Apple-Mail-41--830943626 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I use a little Zass Turkish on the road--filled to capacity it'll grind enough for a couple of #2-size pourovers, a 3-tasse press pot (or 2 travel press mugs filled halfway), or a 2-scoop Aeropress. Very labor intensive, but great grind and makes an insanely good cup. It's the size of a tallish peppermill (a use to which some folks, like the late Frugal Gourmet Jeff Smith, put it). There are lookalikes you can buy dirt cheap in Middle Eastern import and grocery stores, but I wouldn't trust them. (Bought one once, and it smelled like motor oil). On May 16, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Jason Brooks wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-41--830943626 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I use a little Zass Turkish on = the road--filled to capacity it'll grind enough for a couple of #2-size = pourovers, a 3-tasse press pot (or 2 travel press mugs filled halfway), = or a 2-scoop Aeropress. Very labor intensive, but great grind and makes = an insanely good cup.† †It's the size of a tallish peppermill (a use = to which some folks, like the late Frugal Gourmet Jeff Smith, put it).† = There are lookalikes you can buy dirt cheap in Middle Eastern import and = grocery stores, but I wouldn't trust them. (Bought one once, and it = smelled like motor oil).On May 16, 2007, at 12:05 PM, = Jason Brooks wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:43:07AM -0700, Frank Awbrey wrote: <Snip> Assuming that this new batch of grinders is as good as the originals (there has apparently been a change of management, so no guarantees on that), it will work very well. I used mine for a while before getting a Virtuoso and it worked great. I got tired of hand-cranking, so I rigged it up so I could crank it with my cordless drill, which worked really well. You just have to take off the top nut, remove the handle (you don't want that handle spinning around at 400rpm), put the nut back on. Unless they've changed parts, that nut will be a 13mm hex nut, so you just need a 13mm socket for your drill and you're good to go.
I do exactly the same. Picked up a Zass from eBay recently, and now I donít have to move my stepless Macap tediously back and forth between grinds the 42 turns it takes to get the right setting. Iím very happy with it. -AdkMike From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Tara Kollas Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:57 PM To: homeroast Subject: Re: +Zass grinders I've had my Zass for a few years now (bought it from SM before the drought). Love it. I use it exclusively for drip coffee because I'm too lazy to dial my electric grinder back in for espresso.
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 08:43, Frank Awbrey wrote: <Snip> Hey Frank, Make sure that you switch to French Press knowingly; if you have a problem with your cholesterol, keep in mind that drinking lots of French Press'd (or other, similarly unfiltered) coffees can increase your cholesterol by up to 10% or more. If you're healthy and eat well, this probably won't bother you so much. :-) But hand grinders such as the Zassenhaus (or my own favourite, the Peugeot Nostalgie which comes with an unlimited guarantee on the mechanism) will give you a completely different perspective on coffee. Make sure you experiment with the grind coarseness though! Even from bean to bean, the coarseness that I find that gives the best flavour in my Bodum 3-cup press varies up to two notches one way or the other.
--Apple-Mail-1--821517403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Frank, I've had three Zass grinders two "regulars" and one "knee" I have since given the "regulars" to a friend and one of my kids and kept the "knee" for myself. I find the mounting for the burrs more stable in the "knee" version. Pecan Jim On May 16, 2007, at 3:19 PM, Frank Awbrey wrote: <Snip> --Apple-Mail-1--821517403 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 Frank,†† †I've had = three Zass grinders two "regulars" and one "knee"† I have since given = the "regulars" to a friend and one of my kids and kept the "knee" for = myself.† I find the mounting for the burrs more stable in the "knee" = version.† † †Pecan Jim On May 16, 2007, at = 3:19 PM, Frank Awbrey wrote:
I have an old zass grinder, hand crank I think its a model 156 or whatever that I use all the time. Well actually I am letting a friend use it to grind the coffee I roast for him... anyways... the zass is a good grinder and I have no complaints on it. Its easy to take down to parade rest too when you really want to get into it and give it a really good cleaning. aaron
Sandy Ive been looking for one of those peppermill brass looking zass' forever it seems. i don't trust e bay as most folks don't know what they have and probably have the cheap knockoffs and the ones who do know it's legit want too much. hopefully some of those come through and I can get one from sm's in a month or so aaron
--Apple-Mail-49--793117885 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset -ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I managed to snag one from SM's during the very brief time window they had them about two years ago. On May 16, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Aaron wrote: <Snip> Sandy Andina www.sandyandina.com www.myspace.com/sandyandina --Apple-Mail-49--793117885 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset O-8859-1 I managed to snag one from SM's = during the very brief time window they had them about two years = ago. On May 16, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Aaron wrote:
Aaron, I got one of those on ebay for about $15. It is definitely a Zass (it has the lion engraved on the bottom) It's in very good condition. I suggest you give it a chance. You could also look for Zass pepper-mills. Some folks think these is what the coffee grinders are...Their ignorance is to your advantage.. You can ask them what is on the bottom... A sitting lion is the logo of the Zass A. <Snip>
Actually Zassenhaus does/did produce pepper mills as well as coffee mills. As far as the Zass' Turkish Mill goes while sure it's primarily a Turkish Coffee mill, can also be used as an excellent pepper mill. Remember how Tom first discovered them: "The Zassenhaus Turkish Mill is a recent discovery for me. I had heard that Zassenhaus used to make Turkish style mills 20 years ago, but had seen no recent examples. I desperately wanted to stock a Turkish mill, but the quality of 99% of the ones out is absolute crud. Then I found someone who was offering these coffee mills to topnotch restaurants and gourmets as "the ultimate pepper mill". It certainly is, because inside are chromed tool grade steel Zassenhaus burrs!" end quote from Tom While I don't use mine for peppercorn duties, certainly could. Obviously not AND use it for travel coffee chores though! Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ <Snip>
Mike, yes that turkish mill is the one I have been looking for. It seems so perfectly sized and easy to carry around. I love my lap box zass but it's a bit bulky, this one you can take the handle apart and store it very neatly (well ok duuh you already know that) On the peppercorns, I must warn anyone who reads this one. do not EVER mix spice grinding grinders with coffee grinders..... A story about dried habanero's, a coffee mill, a cleaning brush and missing some dust under the blade by the shank and a cup of coffee the next morning after using it to grind my beans later.... I don't know which was worse, the mouth burn for 30 minutes after sipping the habanero coffee or the ring burn later on that evening... Angelo, on your zass grinders, see that's the thing that scares me. Just because it has a lion on the bottom does not automatically mean it's a zass. There are so many cheap korean and chineese look alike products out there and so many of them are pieces of crap. Power Seller gets his case of 100 grinders from taiwan, and a grinder that sells for 60 bucks anywhere else, he is able to pass on for 13.95.... sorry, I don't fully believe it's the real deal... I have a $45 dollar rolex too if someone is interested. You may have gotten a decent grinder and it may be working for you but no offense, im not going to take that risk. If they were real zass' and the source was that reliable, Id think that Tom, Maria, and every other seller that is at this time, out of Zass products would be buying them up left and right and have stock in to sell to us..... not the case. Thank you for the information and trust me, I looked at those pretty hard but it just seems too good a deal, if you know what I mean. Aaron
Just so you're aware, the handle removes but does not fit inside for travel with the Zass' Turkish grinder. Also, it grinds MUCH slower than it's big brother lap versions. (smaller burrs so duh) Yeah sound advice. I have a dedicated herb & spice La Pavoni whirly chop that's never once had coffee in it and never will:-) Pacific Northwest Gathering Vhttp://home.comcast.net/~mckona/PNWGV.htmKona Kurmudgeon miKe mcKoffee URL to Rosto mods, FrankenFormer, some recipes etc:http://mdmint.home.comcast.net/coffee/Rosto_mod.htmUltimately the quest for Koffee Nirvana is a solitary path. To know I must first not know. And in knowing know I know not. Each Personal enlightenment found exploring the many divergent foot steps of Those who have gone before. Sweet Maria's List - Searchable Archiveshttp://themeyers.org/HomeRoast/ <Snip>
Has anybody else with the box or knee Zass grinders had problems with the grind adjustment nut moving when you crank? I have to hold mine in place while I crank, or else it just gets looser and looser. Seems to be a design flaw, or maybe it's just mine. (Bought it on eBay about 6 years ago.)
Randal yes it does move. If you are going to basically keep the zass at the same grind all the time, put it where you want it and a drop of loktite on the nut will keep it in place.... id recomend the non hardening loktite so that if you do need to move it, or remove it for cleaning you won't need dynamite to break it apart. Design error or what I don't know but do know it is an issue that I have seen at least. aaron
On 5/17/07, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69) wrote: <Snip> Dennis, Do you mean you will be pulling into a port in the US on the 23rd? Brian
There was quite a lot of discussion on this topic somewhere a couple years ago. Quite common, probably not associated with age of the grinder. A common recommendation is to hold the adjustment nut with your thumb, finger, etc of the hand you are not cranking with. After a while it is second nature, automatic. Brian On 5/17/07, Randall Nortman wrote: <Snip>
Aaron, I'm sorry if I led you to believe that this was a NEW Zass. It definitely is not. I doubt that the Koreans/Chinese would put in the time to "distress" a Turkish grinder to wind up making $1.98 on it... Then there is the feel of quality... I had bought a Turkish grinder many, many years ago in the local Mid-Eastern shop. Although it did me well for a while, I can definitely see that there is no comparison between the two. The "fake" ebay Zass is way beyond the "authentic" no-name grinder. I am satisfied that I wasn't ripped off... A. <Snip>
I have one of Tom's Zass knee-mills (labeled "Espresso") on which I wrapped an elastic hair band - the type middle-aged guys use to tie their pony-tails behind their heads.. Works perfectly... Some people use purple Loc-tite on the threads A <Snip>
Dennis, Age doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. My brand new grinder did it from day one... <Snip>
Another trick is to put a drop of LocTite on the threads of the screw and let it dry. It won't hold things in place but it will add 'stickiness' to the movement. This trick should work for the Zass adjustment nut. At 04:46 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote: <Snip>
We paid a bit more than Tom has them listed for, talking to the shop owners in Lisbon (yes we found them at 2 different places) I belive them to be authentic- I checked the Burrs on them and they look and grind the same as my Knee zass. When they told me that they had been around on their shelves for a while that even lends more credence then seeing an older Zass Catalog (yes I was drooling) I was convinenced that all 5 of the Zass's we found are the real deal. OT note- It is now offical I can now tell everyone that we are pulling in othe morning of the 23rd. WHOO HOO!!!!! Dennis If they were real zass' and the source was that reliable, Id think that Tom, Maria, and every other seller that is at this time, out of Zass products would be buying them up left and right and have stock in to sell to us..... not the case. Thank you for the information and trust me, I looked at those pretty hard but it just seems too good a deal, if you know what I mean. Aaron
My Kneew grinder started doing that I jut took a rubberband and put it below the adjustment knurl to add just enough friction to keep it in place (my new one dosent seem to slide on me) I think it is an age thing for the zass. Dennis 22 may- my birthday 23 may- my bday present Has anybody else with the box or knee Zass grinders had problems with the grind adjustment nut moving when you crank? I have to hold mine in place while I crank, or else it just gets looser and looser. Seems to be a design flaw, or maybe it's just mine. (Bought it on eBay about 6 years ago.)
Speaking of non-Zass grinders I did pick up an adjustable Turkish grinder in Dubai, all brass but until I can get it home and really clean it I haven't tried it. Even if I only keep it for decoration that is fine because it looks great the intricate designs are worth the price alone! Further note I did get an Ibrinks pot, that I do plan on using when I get home. Dennis 5 and a wake up! <Snip>
Hello, I found two Zass grinders at Coffee Storehouse.com. To date they have the beechwood model #161BU and the brass turkish model 175M. Good luck, happy shopping. Barbara Stewart --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.