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Topic: Zass grinders (38 msgs / 932 lines)
1) From: mikejfoley
Hey everyone,
   I need a Zass ASAP! Can I get some input on what some of you current
owners might prefer and why? I'm thinking that all the burrs are
problably the same in all, but maybe the portables. However, does a
particular design type make much of a difference? I'm sort of leaning
towards the open hopper model, if for no other reason then the fact that
it may be easier/faster to get the beans in, early in the mornings! 
  However, my grinding needs are for mostly vac pot brewing, followed by
a bit of french press brewing. My highest priority would be grind
quality, followed by quickest, then, easiest grinding.
  Thanks for any advice on this.
                         Regards, Mike F.

2) From: Lissa
On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 08:43, Michael J. Foley wrote:
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I find the knee grinder much more comfortable to use than the box
grinder.
Be well,
Lissa
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languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their 
pockets for new vocabulary.
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3) From: Dave Huddle
I agree with Lissa.
The knee grinder is the way to go.  Great for those inner thigh muscles
too.
Dave
typing (very slowly) lefthanded, grinding righthanded
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4) From: Rich Adams
Knee/counter....  sometimes may depend on whether you stand in the kitchen
or not.
I have several Zass boxes as a friend collects coffee grinders.  I tried a
lot of different ones.  The one I prefer is the 169, other then the 'what
the hell were they thinking about drawer size' issue, it can be gripped a
lot easier for counter use.  Also, I notice the center rotating burr is
smaller in size compared to the other models but the outer fixed burr is
larger and I think this allows for more beans to be processed per
revolution.  Side by side I get less turns using the same weight/type of
bean on the 169.
Respectfully,
Rich Adams

5) From: Myron Joshua
And I find the box grinder to be easier to hold down on a counter top or on
the lap...but the beans gather better in the narrow drawer of the knee
grinder...
I was afraid of the closed hopper-but it does keep dust out and the beans
in. No hassle loading it. I would go for the closed hopper.
enjoy! myron
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6) From: Angelo
I have the knee grinder. I'm not thrilled with the small opening for the 
beans and the fact that it doesn't sit well on the counter for grinding...I 
find myself walking around with it, like I did with the Turkish mill...I 
have some other box grinders which are larger and are easier to use on a 
counter..
I've tried using the knee grinder between my knees, but it just proved too 
uncomfortable..Your knees may vary...
Ciao,
Angelo
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7) From: javafool
Mike,
I really like my 169DG better than the others (the other two). It just looks
and feels cool. Doesn't work better than the others it just has a special
something lacking in the other models.
TerryF

8) From: AlChemist John
Sometime around 07:30 6/9/2003, Rich Adams typed:
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I have only the 169 but like it quite a bit, again noting the small drawer 
size.  I can grind a pot's worth of coffee, about 60g, in 2-2.5 minute, 
with one transfer of grounds in the middle.
--
John Nanci 
AlChemist at large
Zen Roasting and Blending by Gestalt

9) From: gregcoffeeroast
Brett,
That's a great gift--I'm sure your boss appreciated it. It is good he likes coffee, that way he doesn't mind when you make coffee at work. My boss doesn't drink coffee, and he just gives me strange looks when I brew a pot. But he has never said I can't make coffee at work, so I continue to do so.
I like to go on road trips to take pictures a couple of times a year, and the Zass goes with me on those trips (along with a couple of metal press pots).
Take care,
Greg
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10) From: Brett Mason
I landed in Cedar Rapids in July...
I started with my hotpot, press and an old Zass.
Now my whole side of the hallway roasts their own...  (my boss and two
colleagues ... )
And they say that evangelism can be offensive.  I just cannot imagine such.=
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AND I only told them about Sweet Marias...  everybody wins....
Brett
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11) From: Lynne Biziewski
Frank - I have the exact same setup for my coffee. I found the Zass to be
perfect - I only stopped when it aggrevated my arthritis, and bursitis, and
whatever other itises I might have.
Used it for a few months with no problems. (I love my FP & Mokapot, btw)
Lynne
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offending sincerely religious people, and then they come after you with
machetes."
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12) From: Brian Kamnetz
Frank,
You probably saw the notice from Maria:
"*STOCK NOTICE - Well - it seems that Zassenhaushas re-organized,
re-shuffled, re-whatever, and will once again be in business. We ought to
have a limited selection of mills by early June 2007. Maria 3-6-07"*
If the stars all align properly and the creek don't rise, you may be able to
buy one of the "new Zass" grinders next month.
Brian
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13) From: Tara Kollas
I've had my Zass for a few years now (bought it from SM before the
drought).  Love it.  I use it exclusively for drip coffee because I'm too
lazy to dial my electric grinder back in for espresso.
On 5/16/07, Brian Kamnetz  wrote:
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14) From: Jason Brooks
Frank,
   To add to the other feedback, I have two.  I've been using a 169DG for
almost 4 years and it's been fine for everything from espresso to drip.
 I've ground for moka pot, espresso, French Press, Vac pot, and Chemex.
 Thought about doing the ibrik that way, but too much work.  I have a
knee mill for the office/travel.  And I just scored my first real
electric grinder last night off of fleabay - a Cory.  But it'll likely
be occasionally only - Zass is still my main grinder.
Jason
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15) From: Sandy Andina
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I use a little Zass Turkish on the road--filled to capacity it'll  
grind enough for a couple of #2-size pourovers, a 3-tasse press pot  
(or 2 travel press mugs filled halfway), or a 2-scoop Aeropress. Very  
labor intensive, but great grind and makes an insanely good cup.    
It's the size of a tallish peppermill (a use to which some folks,  
like the late Frugal Gourmet Jeff Smith, put it).  There are  
lookalikes you can buy dirt cheap in Middle Eastern import and  
grocery stores, but I wouldn't trust them. (Bought one once, and it  
smelled like motor oil).
On May 16, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Jason Brooks wrote:
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Sandy Andina
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I use a little Zass Turkish on =
the road--filled to capacity it'll grind enough for a couple of #2-size =
pourovers, a 3-tasse press pot (or 2 travel press mugs filled halfway), =
or a 2-scoop Aeropress. Very labor intensive, but great grind and makes =
an insanely good cup.† †It's the size of a tallish peppermill (a use =
to which some folks, like the late Frugal Gourmet Jeff Smith, put it).† =
There are lookalikes you can buy dirt cheap in Middle Eastern import and =
grocery stores, but I wouldn't trust them. (Bought one once, and it =
smelled like motor oil).On May 16, 2007, at 12:05 PM, =
Jason Brooks wrote:
Frank,†† To add to the other = feedback, I have two.† = I've been using a 169DG foralmost 4 = years and it's been fine for everything from espresso to drip.†I've = ground for moka pot, espresso, French Press, Vac pot, and = Chemex.†Thought about doing the ibrik = that way, but too much work.† = I have aknee mill for the = office/travel.† And I = just scored my first realelectric = grinder last night off of fleabay - a Cory.† But it'll likelybe occasionally only - Zass is still my main = grinder. Jason<quote = who="Frank Awbrey"> I am the = only coffee drinker in my home and currently use a cheap bladeBraun grinder. I have a drip 4 cup Mr. Coffee coffee = maker that I use. Ido not drink espresso. I = plan on trying the French Press (will order the 4tasse pot from SM). Will the hand grinder "Zass's" = that SM sell's be agood grinder for this set = up? I have been looking at one of these grindersto purchase.Thx, = Frank † † = homeroast mailing = listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroast To change = yourpersonal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go tohttp://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = --†Jason = Brooksjbrookshttp://javajeb.wordpress.comhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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16) From: Randall Nortman
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 08:43:07AM -0700, Frank Awbrey wrote:
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Assuming that this new batch of grinders is as good as the originals
(there has apparently been a change of management, so no guarantees on
that), it will work very well.  I used mine for a while before getting
a Virtuoso and it worked great.  I got tired of hand-cranking, so I
rigged it up so I could crank it with my cordless drill, which worked
really well.  You just have to take off the top nut, remove the handle
(you don't want that handle spinning around at 400rpm), put the nut
back on.  Unless they've changed parts, that nut will be a 13mm hex
nut, so you just need a 13mm socket for your drill and you're good to
go.

17) From: mirrera
I do exactly the same.  Picked up a Zass from eBay recently, and now I donít have to move my stepless Macap tediously back and forth between grinds the 42 turns it takes to get the right setting.  Iím very happy with it.
-AdkMike
From: homeroast-admin [mailto:homeroast-admin] On Behalf Of Tara Kollas
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:57 PM
To: homeroast
Subject: Re: +Zass grinders
I've had my Zass for a few years now (bought it from SM before the drought).  Love it.  I use it exclusively for drip coffee because I'm too lazy to dial my electric grinder back in for espresso.

18) From: Marc Tooley
On Wednesday 16 May 2007 08:43, Frank Awbrey wrote:
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Hey Frank,
Make sure that you switch to French Press knowingly; if you have a 
problem with your cholesterol, keep in mind that drinking lots of 
French Press'd (or other, similarly unfiltered) coffees can increase 
your cholesterol by up to 10% or more.
If you're healthy and eat well, this probably won't bother you so 
much. :-)
But hand grinders such as the Zassenhaus (or my own favourite, the 
Peugeot Nostalgie which comes with an unlimited guarantee on the 
mechanism) will give you a completely different perspective on coffee. 
Make sure you experiment with the grind coarseness though! Even from 
bean to bean, the coarseness that I find that gives the best flavour in 
my Bodum 3-cup press varies up to two notches one way or the other.

19) From: jim gundlach
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Frank,
     I've had three Zass grinders two "regulars" and one "knee"  I  
have since given the "regulars" to a friend and one of my kids and  
kept the "knee" for myself.  I find the mounting for the burrs more  
stable in the "knee" version.
      Pecan Jim
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Frank,†† †I've had =
three Zass grinders two "regulars" and one "knee"† I have since given =
the "regulars" to a friend and one of my kids and kept the "knee" for =
myself.† I find the mounting for the burrs more stable in the "knee" =
version.† † †Pecan Jim
On May 16, 2007, at =
3:19 PM, Frank Awbrey wrote:

Thx, Lynne. I think = you have convinced me to try that one. I'm not sure of the regular grind = or the "knee" one, but will be checking into it. I'm not sure if they = are in stock now or if I will have to wait until June.

Again, = thx, Frank

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20) From: Aaron
I have an old zass grinder, hand crank  I think its a model 156 or 
whatever that I use all the time.  Well actually I am letting a friend 
use it to grind the coffee I roast for him... anyways... the zass is a 
good grinder and I have no complaints on it.
Its easy to take down to parade rest too when you really want to get 
into it and give it a really good cleaning.
aaron

21) From: Aaron
Sandy Ive been looking for one of those peppermill brass looking zass' 
forever it seems.  i don't trust e bay as most folks don't know what 
they have and probably have the cheap knockoffs and the ones who do know 
it's legit want too much.
hopefully some of those come through and I can get one from sm's in a 
month or so
aaron

22) From: Sandy Andina
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I managed to snag one from SM's during the very brief time window  
they had them about two years ago.
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I managed to snag one from SM's =
during the very brief time window they had them about two years =
ago.
On May 16, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Aaron wrote:
Sandy Ive been looking for one of those peppermill = brass looking zass' forever it seems.† i don't trust e bay as most = folks don't know what they have and probably have the cheap knockoffs = and the ones who do know it's legit want too much. aaronhomeroast mailing listhttp://li=sts.sweetmarias.com/mailman/listinfo/homeroastTo change your personal list settings (digest = options, vacations, unsvbscribes) go to http://=sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html#personalsettings = Sandy = Andinawww.sandyandina.comwww.myspace.com/sandyandina=

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23) From: Angelo
Aaron,
I got one of those on ebay for about $15. It is definitely a Zass (it 
has the lion engraved on the bottom) It's in very good condition. I 
suggest you give it a chance. You could also look for Zass 
pepper-mills. Some folks think these is what the  coffee grinders 
are...Their ignorance is to your advantage..
You can ask them what is on the bottom... A sitting lion is the logo 
of the Zass
A.
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24) From: miKe mcKoffee
Actually Zassenhaus does/did produce pepper mills as well as coffee mills.
As far as the Zass' Turkish Mill goes while sure it's primarily a Turkish
Coffee mill, can also be used as an excellent pepper mill. Remember how Tom
first discovered them:
 
"The Zassenhaus Turkish Mill is a recent discovery for me. I had heard that
Zassenhaus used to make Turkish style mills 20 years ago, but had seen no
recent examples. I desperately wanted to stock a Turkish mill, but the
quality of 99% of the ones out is absolute crud. Then I found someone who
was offering these coffee mills to topnotch restaurants and gourmets as "the
ultimate pepper mill". It certainly is, because inside are chromed tool
grade steel Zassenhaus burrs!" end quote from Tom 
While I don't use mine for peppercorn duties, certainly could. Obviously not
AND use it for travel coffee chores though!
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25) From: Aaron
Mike, yes that turkish mill is the one I have been looking for.  It 
seems so perfectly sized and easy to carry around.  I love my lap box 
zass but it's a bit bulky, this one you can take the handle apart and 
store it very neatly (well ok duuh you already know that)
On the peppercorns, I must warn anyone who reads this one. do not EVER 
mix spice grinding grinders with coffee grinders.....  A story about 
dried habanero's, a coffee mill, a cleaning brush and missing some dust 
under the blade by the shank and a cup of coffee the next morning after 
using it to grind my beans later....  I don't know which was worse, the 
mouth burn for 30 minutes after sipping the habanero coffee or the ring 
burn later on that evening...
Angelo, on your zass grinders, see that's the thing that scares me.  
Just because it has a lion on the bottom does not automatically mean 
it's a zass.  There are so many cheap korean and chineese look alike 
products out there and so many of them are pieces of crap.  Power Seller 
gets his case of 100 grinders from taiwan, and a grinder that sells for 
60 bucks anywhere else, he is able to pass on for 13.95....  sorry, I 
don't fully believe it's the real deal...   I have a $45 dollar rolex 
too if someone is interested.  You may have gotten a decent grinder and 
it may be working for you but no offense, im not going to take that risk.
If they were real zass' and the source was that reliable, Id think that 
Tom, Maria, and every other seller that is at this time, out of Zass 
products would be buying them up left and right and have stock in to 
sell to us..... not the case.
Thank you for the information and trust me, I looked at those pretty 
hard but it just seems too good a deal, if you know what I mean.
Aaron

26) From: miKe mcKoffee
Just so you're aware, the handle removes but does not fit inside for travel
with the Zass' Turkish grinder. Also, it grinds MUCH slower than it's big
brother lap versions. (smaller burrs so duh) 
Yeah sound advice. I have a dedicated herb & spice La Pavoni whirly chop
that's never once had coffee in it and never will:-)
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27) From: Randall Nortman
Has anybody else with the box or knee Zass grinders had problems with
the grind adjustment nut moving when you crank?  I have to hold mine
in place while I crank, or else it just gets looser and looser.  Seems
to be a design flaw, or maybe it's just mine.  (Bought it on eBay
about 6 years ago.)

28) From: Aaron
Randal yes it does move.  If you are going to basically keep the zass at 
the same grind all the time, put it where you want it and a drop of  
loktite on the nut will keep it in place.... id recomend the non 
hardening loktite so that if you do need to move it, or remove it for 
cleaning you won't need dynamite to break it apart.
Design error or what I don't know but do know it is an issue that I have 
seen at least.
aaron

29) From: Brian Kamnetz
On 5/17/07, True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)  wrote:
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Dennis,
Do you mean you will  be pulling into a port in the US on the 23rd?
Brian

30) From: Brian Kamnetz
There was quite a lot of discussion on this topic somewhere a couple years
ago. Quite common, probably not associated with age of the grinder. A common
recommendation is to hold the adjustment nut with your thumb, finger, etc of
the hand you are not cranking with. After a while it is second nature,
automatic.
Brian
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31) From: Angelo
Aaron,
I'm sorry if I led you to believe that this was a NEW Zass. It 
definitely is not. I doubt that the Koreans/Chinese would put in the 
time to "distress" a Turkish grinder to wind up making $1.98 on it...
Then there is the feel of quality... I had bought a Turkish grinder 
many, many years ago in the local Mid-Eastern shop. Although it did 
me well for a while, I can definitely see that there is no comparison 
between the two. The "fake" ebay Zass is way beyond the "authentic" 
no-name grinder. I am satisfied that I wasn't ripped off...
A.
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32) From: Angelo
I have one of Tom's Zass knee-mills (labeled "Espresso") on which I 
wrapped an elastic hair band - the type middle-aged guys use to tie 
their pony-tails behind their heads.. Works perfectly...
Some people use purple Loc-tite on the threads
A
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33) From: Angelo
Dennis,
Age doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. My brand new grinder 
did it from day one...
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34) From: Steven Van Dyke
Another trick is to put a drop of LocTite on the threads of the screw 
and let it dry.  It won't hold things in place but it will add 
'stickiness' to the movement.  This trick should work for the Zass 
adjustment nut.
At 04:46 PM 5/17/2007, you wrote:
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35) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
We paid a bit more than Tom has them listed for, talking to the shop
owners in Lisbon (yes we found them at 2 different places) I belive them
to be authentic- I checked the Burrs on them and they look and grind the
same as my Knee zass.  When they told me that they had been around on
their shelves for a while that even lends more credence then seeing an
older Zass Catalog (yes I was drooling) I was convinenced that all 5 of
the Zass's we found are the real deal.
OT note- It is now offical I can now tell everyone that we are pulling
in othe morning of the 23rd.
WHOO HOO!!!!! 
Dennis
If they were real zass' and the source was that reliable, Id think that 
Tom, Maria, and every other seller that is at this time, out of Zass 
products would be buying them up left and right and have stock in to 
sell to us..... not the case.
Thank you for the information and trust me, I looked at those pretty 
hard but it just seems too good a deal, if you know what I mean.
Aaron

36) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
My Kneew grinder started doing that I jut took a rubberband and put it
below the adjustment knurl to add just enough friction to keep it in
place (my new one dosent seem to slide on me) I think it is an age thing
for the zass.
Dennis 
22 may- my birthday
23 may- my bday present
Has anybody else with the box or knee Zass grinders had problems with
the grind adjustment nut moving when you crank?  I have to hold mine in
place while I crank, or else it just gets looser and looser.  Seems to
be a design flaw, or maybe it's just mine.  (Bought it on eBay about 6
years ago.)

37) From: True, Dennis W. FC1 (CVN69)
Speaking of non-Zass grinders I did pick up an adjustable Turkish
grinder in Dubai, all brass but until I can get it home and really clean
it I haven't tried it.  Even if I only keep it for decoration that is
fine because it looks great the intricate designs are worth the price
alone! Further note I did get an Ibrinks pot, that I do plan on using
when I get home. 
Dennis
5 and a wake up!
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38) From: barbara stewart
Hello,
   
  I found two Zass grinders at Coffee Storehouse.com.  To date they have the beechwood model #161BU and the brass turkish model 175M.  Good luck, happy shopping.
   
  Barbara Stewart
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