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Topic: Need a few more opinions (13 msgs / 453 lines)
1) From: Brian Hyde
How about grinders?  I think I am going to go with the ECM Giotto. 
 There is a nice deal with Aarbee coffee with the Pasquini Moka grinder. 
 I trust the Giotto is a great machine, but what about the Pasquini 
grinder?  Any experience with it or the Mazzer as to which is better? 
 How many of you use the Pasquini and will I be happy with it?  
Also as far as online companies go any bad experiences?  Whole Latte 
Love, Aarbee, and 1st line in particular?  
Thanks again for all of your time!
Brian

2) From: Rick Farris
Tom sells the Pasquini Moka at Sweet Maria's under it's real name, the
"Anfim."  Pasquini rebrands it and marks it up a couple of hundred
dollars.  That's why it is so popular in Espresso machine "deals."
It is a very good grinder.  Better built than the Rocky, with a more
regular grind, but not all that great at changing back and forth between
espresso and drip grinds.  Not as adjustable as a Mazzer Mini.
Absolutely fabulous as a dedicated espresso *or* drip grinder.
-- Rick

3) From: Manny
Hi Brian, 
I currently have both grinders in my setup at home. I initially
purchased the Pasquini Moka with my Livia machine as a set, but soon got
upgrade fever and purchased the Mazzer Mini and I have to admit that the
Mazzer is a better grinder. The Moka is quite capable but next to the
Mazzer it can't win. The biggest plus for me is the Micro Adjustments
that the Mazzer allows. 
I've since demoted the Pasquini Moka to grinding for VacPot/Press/Drip
and Decaf Espresso.
Cheers
Manny

4) From: Bruce Bowman
Great luck with wholelattelove.com, their return policy and the Giotto
(no experience with the others). The Rocky grinder I got from WLL had a
problem producing consistent grinds. WLL accepted the return w/o
complaint and the refund was in my account within 2 days. The Mazzer
Mini from SM which replaced the Rocky has been terrific, though for my
purposes the doser (any doser) seems more in the way than helpful.
Bruce

5) From: Michael Guterman
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Bruce Bowman wrote:
  Great luck with wholelattelove.com, their return policy and the Giotto
(no experience with the others). The Rocky grinder I got from WLL had a
problem producing consistent grinds. WLL accepted the return w/o
complaint and the refund was in my account within 2 days. The Mazzer
Mini from SM which replaced the Rocky has been terrific, though for my
purposes the doser (any doser) seems more in the way than helpful.
Bruce
The mini is a great grinder.  You will liove it.  You get used to the
doser.  I find that three Illy scoops of whole beans gets me a bit over
a basket full.  The doser does add some control over the when are there
going to be espresso grounds flying about.
Michael

6) From: Brian Hyde
Thanks Manny, Bruce and Michael.  I appreciate the input and have 
subsequently made my decision and placed an order.  I am getting the ECM 
Giotto with the Mazzer Mini.  I ordered both with a Reg Barber tamper 
from WLL this afternoon.  I already liked their professional responses 
and liked the fact that they had service on hand if there was a problem. 
 Bruce you reassured me that much more, I was glad to hear it.  Wow I 
can't wait to play with my new toys.  70+ lbs. of what I hope will be 
espresso nirvana!  I think I will roast some SM Amber and Ethiopian 
Harar first of the week in anticipation of its arrival...
Again thanks for the input and advice.  What a great group of people! 
 Thanks too Gin for the welcome!
Brian
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7) From: Peter Barnes
I know that no one meant any harm, but in my book this exchange is just 
a commercial for a company other than SM.  It's one thing to talk about 
machines that Tom and Maria don't carry, but it is another entirely to 
fish around for recommendations on other companies or to talk about 
other companies that sell other espresso machines/grinders/beans etc.  I 
would think this *especially* when the product purchased (in this case, 
the Mazzer Mini) just happens to also be sold at SM.  I waited a bit to 
bring this up, because I hate jumping on honest mistakes, but really, I 
think this discussion was something much less than respectful to our 
hosts.  Just a thought for the future.
cheers
peter
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8) From: Brian Hyde
Well I thought this list was for *open* discussion.  I had already 
talked to Maria when I was going to order the Solis.  In fact I was 
trying to go out of my way to get her to order me the digital model 
rather than just going straight to Baratza.  Unfortunately I ended up 
wanting more machine which they don't carry and it was also cheaper to 
get it as a package deal with the grinder.  She was still very helpful 
and wanted me to make the right decision for me whether it benefited her 
company at that moment or not.  
Bottom line is that the list should serve to allow their customers to 
roast / make better coffee.  By doing this they will get more and more 
of my business.  I am forever loyal to Tom and Maria due to their 
professional service and extraordinarily extensive and helpful website.  
Now I feel I am being policed.  I wanted to talk more about roasting. 
 But I guess since SM doesn't care bait buckets and 200+ BTU burners I 
can't really talk about how I roast either.  Even though every pound is 
from SM.  
Censored out,
Brian
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9) From: gin
Brian:
BS...
that's bullshit for any who do not know!
this list is open for discussion. SM does not sell what everyone needs and
we do take a second to go of list to post each other about other coffee
machine places as a simple courtesy. Tom and Maria are always helpful and
very honest in their information. Certainly if they do not have it and
cannot provide it in a timely fashion you wiol buy at another store. We all
do!
You are not being policed, I will now be policed for using the "S" word
again.
What the hell, it's only email right?
Stay around, we need your input on roasting. I have not seen all the post
that made you feel like you do but screw  them...
stick around and see what we can all leartn.
ginny

10) From: miKe mcKoffee

11) From: Peter Barnes
Please. 
I quoted this once already, but...
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Brian wrote: 
I am getting the ECM Giotto with the Mazzer Mini.  I ordered both with a 
Reg Barber tamper from WLL this afternoon.  I already liked their 
professional responses and liked the fact that they had service on hand 
if there was a problem. Bruce you reassured me that much more, I was 
glad to hear it.
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Why do I care?  Not because you bought a product that Sweet Maria's 
sells from a competitor.  Simply because you decided you needed to gush 
about this competitor on the list.  Is that detrimental to SM's 
business?  Probably.  Would I have cared as much if Sweet Maria's did 
not sell the Mazzer Mini?  No.
Am I upset here?  Not really.  I have come to have a TREMENDOUS amount 
of respect for Tom & Maria over the past few years, and I think it would 
be nice if we all respected the list rules.  This is not personal in the 
least.  I think this list is a tremendous place to discuss the best 
coffee beans and equipment in the world.  Sweet Maria's by no means 
carries all of it, or even close to that.  In my book, there needs to be 
a pretty good reason for me to buy a product that SM sells somewhere 
else - personal service and attention to detail count for me. 
cheers
peter
Brian Hyde wrote:
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12) From: Peter Barnes
Mike McKoffee wrote:
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I don't disagree with this at all. 
I felt that the request for information about other companies, followed 
by purchasing a product sold by SM and gushing about the company where 
it was purchased went over the line. 
At the same time, I felt that my post was respectful.  I did not insult 
anyone, I did not behave childishly or flame anyone.  I stand by what I 
said. 
Nonetheless, I am currently in the market for an espresso machine and 
grinder myself, and am leaning heavily towards the Rocky/Silvia combo.  
When the time comes that they arrive, I will happily seek out help in 
using them from the list, and probably gush about how much I love 
coffee.  I will not be talking about the company where I bought them, 
how much I paid, etc.  It just seems like common sense.
cheers
peter

13) From: Angelo
If Tom was as upset as you seem to be, I'm sure he would have stepped in 
and said something about the post...He is quite capable of doing that, and 
has done so in the past.
What I object to is the "hall monitor" mentality of a few on here who seem 
to miss the whole point of this list....an exchange of info about coffee in 
general, and roasting in particular....It's probably one out of a thousand 
emails where someone slips up and mentions a "competitor". So what?? I find 
it good to know that there are other respectable vendors out there, besides 
Tom.  It doesn't mean I'm going to run out and by my greens and any other 
accessories from them, if Tom stocks them, but in case it's something I can 
only get "outside" I like to have choices...
A while back a bunch of people from the did a group purchase of Rocky 
grinders, which Tom does not stock...The dealer who gave the best deal was 
the dealer in question. When I had a problem with the defect in the burrs, 
they were extremely helpful and took care of it.....How does anyone knowing 
that detract from tom?? They are in the same class as far as I am concerned....
Gushing finished...
Ciao,
Angelo
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