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Topic: Alpenrosts, appartments and digital scales (21 msgs / 342 lines)
1) From: Renaud Dreyer
  With all the Alpendiscussions going on, I have the following 
questions. First, would it be practical to use an Alpenrost in an 
appartment without some elaborate home-made contraption, either 
under an oven's hood or an open window?
   Also, from what I read, a digital scale is mandatory with the
Alpenrost. Would anyone recommend a cheap model? I'd prefer one that
has 1g increments, since I've always wanted to use one to carefully
measure the coffee I use for each espresso shot (16g with the bigger 
LM double basket). Thanks,
                   Renaud Dreyer
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2) From: Michael Rochman
Renaud, We don't live in an apartment. However, we simple place the Alp on
the stovetop, turn on the over-range exhaust fan, and have no problems.
Scales? A digital is nice, but certainly not mandatory. Most anything that
can measure 8oz with a degree of accuracy will do.  Mike
  With all the Alpendiscussions going on, I have the following
questions. First, would it be practical to use an Alpenrost in an
appartment without some elaborate home-made contraption, either
under an oven's hood or an open window?
   Also, from what I read, a digital scale is mandatory with the
Alpenrost. Would anyone recommend a cheap model? I'd prefer one that
has 1g increments, since I've always wanted to use one to carefully
measure the coffee I use for each espresso shot (16g with the bigger
LM double basket). Thanks,
                   Renaud Dreyer
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3) From: Renaud Dreyer
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Thanks for the info! As an espresso addict who's been turned into a 
home-roasted beans addict by my FreshRoast, I'd love to get the 
larger roast sizes of the Alpenrost as well as those full-bodied, 
smooth roasts that I crave for. I guess more of my excuses for not 
getting an Alp are getting shot down :) Thanks,
        Renaud
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4) From: Spencer W. Thomas
The key question is whether the fan over your stove vents outside.  Those in
many apartments just run the air through some sort of very coarse filter, and
blow it back into the room.  That kind won't do much to reduce the smoke from
the roaster.
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5) From: Renaud Dreyer
Good point, I just checked and our fan is of the "blow it back" type. 
Well, that leaves roasting by an open window, would that work? Thansk 
again,
          Renaud
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6) From: Cindy Martin
Renaud,
  Hope no one in your household objects to the lingering smell the oily smoke will
leave with you.
Renaud Dreyer wrote:
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7) From: Renaud Dreyer
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Hmmm... My girlfriend can stand the results of me standing over and
babysitting (stopping and restarting the roast every 2 minutes to slow
it down) a FreshRoast for 4 straight roasting sessions so hopefully...
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8) From: Michael Rochman
Sure would.  Or...you could get a length of corrugated dryer hose and vent
it from there...  Mike
Good point, I just checked and our fan is of the "blow it back" type.
Well, that leaves roasting by an open window, would that work? Thansk
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9) From: Michael Rochman
We get no lingering smell of any kind and we roast into 2nd crack. Have
heard others complain of this, too. Don't know why we're not getting a
lingering effect...   Mike
  Hope no one in your household objects to the lingering smell the oily
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leave with you.
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10) From: Renaud Dreyer
Maybe I'm in a tiny minority but I do like the lingering smell... Maybe it 
means my addiction level has reaches alarming levels? Ciao,
         Renaud
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11) From: Paul Goelz
At 12:51 PM 1/2/01 -0800, you wrote:
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When I lived alone I too used to like the lingering smell.  I always
wondered exactly what it was doing (long term) to things like disk drives
and CD players.... not to mention furniture and lungs!
Paul Goelz
Rochester Hills, MI
pgoelz at eaglequest dot com
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12) From: coffenut
Renaud,
Tom sells a Salter digi-scale on his website.  Had I realized the importance
of a good scale, I'd have ordered it from Tom when I purchased the Alp.
Subsequently, I got one from a housewares shop at the mall (Lechter's) for
around $30 (made by Terraillon), and it measures oz or grams.  I use the
scale to weigh green beans, measure qty of roasted beans for
grinding/blending and a few other non-coffee related things.  Just make sure
you have "tare capability" on the scale.  It's a handy device to have around
the house.
On the Alp venting, it depends upon several factors.  The strength of your
oven hood fan, how dark you roast, the bean type, etc.  People figure out
all kinds of ways to deal with the smoke, but I can tell you that it's
significant and you need to have a plan to deal with it.  If you have a
fireplace in the apartment, you might consider allowing the smoke to vent up
the chimney.  I built my own contraption that vents out the window, but my
preference is roasting outdoors on the deck.
Coffenut  :^)
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13) From: Renaud Dreyer
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What is "tare capability"? The Salter scale that Tom sells only seems 
to go up by 2g increments (which is fine for roasting, but probably 
not for measuring roasted beans for brewing).
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My only option (I'm not much of a tinkerer :)) would be to roast near 
an open window. Right now I have no problem with smoke with a 
FreshRoast, I don't take any special precaution. But I guess that the 
problem with an Alp would get much worse. Thanks,
          Renaud
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14) From: coffenut
Renaud,
One of the other folks has already answered the "tare" question.  On the
smoke, I had tried pointing the Alp exhaust next to an open window and it
didn't work.  The smoke was significant enough that it easily over-powered
any natural outside draft and I smoked up the whole house.  My wife
announced that this was the end of my indoor roasting and I was introduced
to the back porch.  Since then, as winter has come, I devised a way to vent
the smoke through an open window using my own vent fan powered contraption.
Since you're wanting to avoid building something, maybe some of the simpler
techniques will work.  Some folks claim to have attached a 4" common dryer
hose to the Alp exhaust and run the hose out the window/door.  The main
thing is to have some assisted way of getting the smoke outside.  Unless you
have pretty strong flow-through ventilation in your home, you'll need to
find a way to help the smoke exit the house.
Coffenut  :^)
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15) From: Renaud Dreyer
Thanks for the advice, it certainly looks like I'll have to carefully
think about all of this before I make such an investment. Would 
pointing the exhaust at an open window with a fan behind to redirect 
the smoke help? Cna this dryer hose be bought separately from a 
dryer, and when would I get it? Thanks,
         Renaud
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16) From: coffenut
From my own experience, I'd say putting a fan behind the Alp blowing toward
the window would not work.  When the smoke exits the Alp, it needs a focused
extraction of some kind that is either channeling or drawing the smoke
outdoors.  If you put a fan behind the Alp, you'd be trying to push the
smoke out the window.  The dryer hose can be purchased at any home building
center (Home Depot, Lowes etc) for just a few bucks.  I'd be surprised if it
cost you $5 so this would be a small investment.  Hopefully, you'll find a
way to make a home for the Alp in your apartment.
Coffenut  :^)
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17) From: coffenut
Renaud,
Just remembered something I saw at Lowes this past fall in the section where
they sell portable house fans.  It was a portable fan that could be placed
in an open window and could exhaust or draw-in air.  I recall it had two
fans mounted side by side and even had lateral window extensions to fill in
the gap of the open window.  Seems like the price was under $50 too.  This
may be a possible venting solution if the Alp exhaust vent was aimed at the
vent fan and the fan was strong enough to do the job.
Coffenut  :^)
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18) From: John Roche
on 1/2/01 7:13 PM, coffenut at coffenut wrote:
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I own one of these made by Holmes. There are others similar. It will not
adequately vent roast smoke unless you position it at the bottom of the
window and can point the ALP right into it (and this is only a guess as to
how well it would perform). It would not work as well with a top venting
HWP. The fan has been somewhat of a disappointment as it's not quite as
powerful as I had hoped. It is nice in that you can vent air in or out and
you can operate the two fans independently of each other (both speed and
direction of air flow).I have mine mounted at the top of the window which
works better for clearing cooking smoke and venting out hot air in summer
etc. I did buy it with the intention of helping to vent smoke from my HWP. I
use the HWP on the stove top under a venthood (apartment type which vents
into wall but not to outside). I find it helps but there is still too much
smoke even with range fan plus window fan. As you home roasters know its
that kinda smoke you can't see but before you know it the curtains are
yellowed and the walls aren't far behind. When my new ALP arrives I think i
will try the dryer vent hose option and and add a small internal fan if
necessary.
john
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19) From: Greg Scace
 
At 05:10 PM 1/2/2001 -0500, you wrote:
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The 4 inch diameter dryer hose is not quite big enough to fit over the 
exhaust of the alp.  However, if you peruse the plumbing section of Home 
Despot (the store that makes YOU feel like dictator of your very own hovel) 
or Lowe's , you should be able to find neopreme connectors that are used to 
join / repair iron sewer pipe.  The connector for 4" to 4" pipe fits 
perfectly over the exhaust of the alp and can be held on with the 
accompanying hose clamp.  I shoved a plastic union for 4" diameter dust 
collection hose (of the type used in woodworking shops - also available at 
the aforementioned stores) into the other end of the neopreme connector, 
fastened it with a hose clamp and used a section of dust collection hose 
for the flexible exhaust.  It ends up being a very neat installation that 
looks real "factory".  The dust collection hose is much more durable than 
the flexible aluminum dryer vent duct.
-Greg Scace
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20) From: Angelo
Try a window fan sitting high in the window. It will pull the smoke out
completely. I use a two- fan model(that's what I found in the thrift shop).
The brand I have is Holmes, but I have seen others in discount stores that
do the same thing..They were priced  at about $16.
If you're worried about pulling too much air through the roaster, you could
put some sort of barrier in front of the machine so that the fan pulls air
from above it.
This setup works perfectly for me.
Oh, btw. I popped out the grilles from the front and snipped the ones from
the back, but thats cause I roast with a popper and need to get the chaff
out...You won't have to do that...(although, you'll have less to clean) :-)
Ciao,
Angelo
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21) From: Nikos
Renaud,
This is the fan I was talking about in my last message. I've seen them new
for as low as $17...It works beautifully. With the popper, I use the exhaust
while roasting and, when I'm ready to cool the beans, I just reverse the
fans and blow it over the beans which cool in about 30 secs to 1
min.(depending on the outside air temps, of course).
These fans also come in a single-fan model..
Ciao,
Angelo
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