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Topic: UNSUBSCRIBING, managing membership to digest (23 msgs / 571 lines)
1) From: Ted
UNSUBSCRIBING, managing membership to digest
it's difficult to get to the personal settings page. the url you posted leads to another page of urls, none of which  take you to personal settings. 
Here are the SM instructions cut and pasted (I can't even follow them sometimes - dont laugh) :
Changing from Regular Membership to Digest, Setting to Receive NO MAIL but Stay On The List
You can manage your list membership, changing the type of subscription, or setting to receive no mail while on vacation. Here's what you need to do
*    When you join the list, make a note of the email address you subscribed to the list, and the password (either you entered it, or it was assigned to you ...if the later, you received an email that contains it).
*    When you joined, you should have received a welcome email. That email contains a very important web link. It links to YOUR personal preferences page for the list. If you don't have that email, here is a way to find that page (this is simpler than it sounds: 
Lets say your email address subscribed to the list is you 
Open your web browser and paste the following into your web browser window:http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/options/homeroast/tom%40bobo.net">http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/options/homeroast/you%40your-email.comyes ... you have to change the @ symbol to %40 ... that is a percent sign followed by 40. Then hit return or enter and you should be at your personal Mailman preference page: bookmark it! For example: an address for me would be:http://lists.sweetmarias.com/mailman/options/homeroast/tom%40bobo.net
but I am not subscribed to the list under a tom address so it doesn't work... 
Once you have that page, bookmark it in your web browser and you are set for life...
got that? :>P -- Tedsplace

2) From: Rick Farris
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
Those are the old, 
outdated instructions.  Didn't you get a copy of the new instructions that 
were posted recently?  Here's a copy:
how to unsubscribe:
   First, ask your Internet Provider to mail you an 
Unsubscribing Kit.
Then follow these directions.
   The kit will most likely be the standard no-fault type. 
Depending on
requirements, System A and/or System B can be used. When 
System A, depress lever and a plastic dalkron unsubscriber will 
dispensed through the slot immediately underneath. When you 
fastened the adhesive lip, attach connection marked by the large 
outlet hose. Twist the silver- coloured ring one inch below 
connection point until you feel it lock.
   The kit is now ready for use. The Cin-Eliminator is 
activated by the
small switch on the lip. When securing, twist the ring back 
to its
initial condition, so that the two orange lines meet. Disconnect. 
the dalkron unsubscriber in the vacuum receptacle to the rear. 
by pressing the blue button.
   The controls for System B are located on the opposite side. 
The red
release switch places the Cin-Eliminator into position; it can 
adjusted manually up or down by pressing the blue manual release 
The opening is self- adjusting. To secure after use, press the 
button, which simultaneously activates the evaporator and returns 
Cin-Eliminator to its storage position.
   You may log off if the green exit light is on over the 
evaporator. If
the red light is illuminated, one of the Cin-Eliminator 
requirements has
not been properly implemented. Press the "List Guy" call 
button on the
right of the evaporator. He will secure all facilities from his 
   To use the Auto-Unsub, first undress and place all your 
clothes in
the clothes rack. Put on the velcro slippers located in the 
immediately below. Enter the shower, taking the entire kit with you. 
the control panel to your upper right upon entering you will see 
"Shower seal" button. Press to activate. A green light will then 
illuminated immediately below. On the intensity knob, select the 
setting. Now depress the Auto-Unsub activation lever. Bathe 
   The Auto-Unsub will automatically go off after three minutes 
you activate the "Manual off" override switch by flipping it up. 
you are ready to leave, press the blue "Shower seal" release button. 
door will open and you may leave. Please remove the velcro slippers 
place them in their container.
   If you prefer the ultrasonic log-off mode, press the 
indicated blue
button. When the twin panels open, pull forward by rings A 
& B. The knob
to the left, just below the blue light, has three settings, 
low, medium
or high. For normal use, the medium setting is suggested. After 
settings have been made, you can activate the device by switching to 
"ON" position the clearly marked red switch. If during the 
operation you wish to change the settings, place the "manual 
override switch in the "OFF" position. You may now make the change 
repeat the cycle. When the green exit light goes on, you may log off 
have lunch. Please close the door behind you.

3) From: Ralph Cohen
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:12:40 -0800, Ted wrote:
I have to disagree.  When I click on the link at the bottom of each
message that says "To change your personal list settings, seehttp://www.sweetmarias.com/maillistinfo.html",I get sent to the Home
Coffee Roasting Mailing List page.  When I scroll down the page to the
section titled "Leaving the List" it gives the following simple
  To unsubscribe via e-mail, send an e-mail to 
  homeroast-request and 
  type in the subject line unsubscribe. Most e-mail 
  clients configured correctly with your web browser 
  will set this up automatically if you Click Here
I don't think it can get much simpler.  If you click on the Click Here
link a blank unsubscribe message is opened up and all you have to do is
click Send.
Ralph Cohen

4) From: Bruce Bowman
It couldn't be simpler, but it didn't work when I experimented with it
the last time this came up. I got an error message from Outlook Express
that says recipient addressing isn't correct. Just tried it again with
the same result:
"The message could not be sent because one of the recipients was
rejected by the server. The rejected e-mail address was
'mailto:homeroast-request'. Subject 'unsubscribe',
Account: 'mail.goose--bumps.com', Server: 'mail.earthlink.net',
Protocol: SMTP, Server Response: '501
: "@" or "." expected
after "mailto"', Port: 25, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 501, Error
Number: 0x800CCC79"
I can imagine that after trying a half dozen times a person might get
exasperated. Of course, I've never seen YELLING ever get anything
fixed... God knows I try often enough around the house! :-)

5) From: larasgroups
Bruce Bowman  wrote:
While we're META-ing, is there any way to set one's membership to
individual emails (not digest), _plain text_? I can only find a
plain-text option for digests.
This email address is for mailing list mail only. 
For individual email please send to 
waawa at iinet dot net dot au

6) From: Ralph Cohen
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:36:54 -0800, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Ahhh, I see.  The problem is in the coding for the mailto link.  The
link is currently written as:

7) From: Bob Sanders
There is no plain text option.  It's up to the individuals that post
to follow generally accepted net ettiquite.  Many either aren't aware
of it or are not aware that their emailer is sending html, or worse, both
text and html, or have a belief that html somehow makes thier text better
or more meaningful.
And there are lots of "add-ons" at the end of the messages that tell of
company policies, that both incoming and outgoing mail has been virus checked,
and sometimes real signiture lines.  All this extra is probably why most
folks have no idea of how to unsubscribe - the information is lost in the noise.
But my conclusion is based on observiing all the top posting with a massively
complete trail of previous replies, including the full html.  As an example,
this digest has 30 subjects and 2,187 bytes.  Lots of stuff to weed through
just to get the one-liners and the few interesting paragraphs.
QA Curmudgeon.
Wacky and bizarre testing(TM) performed while-U-wait.

8) From: Rick Farris
It would be far, *far* easier to get yourself a mail reader that
understands HTML...
-- Rick

9) From: Dave Huddle
Not true - where I work.

10) From: Rick Farris
Bob writes:
Yes, but "generally accepted net ettiquite" changes.  For instance,
generally accepted net etiquette of the era you're quoting from says
that all text lines will be shorter than 80 characters, but I notice
that your lines are generally in excess of 200 characters long.
Do you think that for all the following millenia that plain text will
prevail?  That there will never be a transition to something else?  Of
course not.  And we're in the transition period now.
Here on the SM mailing list, just in the last year, the sentiment has
gone from people being roundly flamed for posting in HTML to as much as
half the posts being HTML.
That's because it *does* Bob.  That's why magazines and newspapers
aren't published in plain text.  Italics, bold, colors and fonts all add
meaning to text.  I especially like the mailers that mark quoted text by
putting a blue line along the left side.  I wish I could figure out how
to do that.
But I'm with you 100% on the non-trimmers.  Leaving redundant header
information in replys, (Oh wait, *you* did that), refusing to at least
trim off all the "homeroast mailing list" trailers (How many copies of
that need to be attached to each message?), posting 189-line messages
with the single "I agree" (Why not send your sentiment directly to the
poster? What do we care whether you agree, or not?) line at the top...
Those things are all pretty rude in my book.
-- Rick
P.S. See, Lara.  I told you it would be easier to change mailers.  :-)
(And I doubt if this is over, yet.)

11) From: Rick Farris
As far as that goes, it's probably against the rules for you to read the
roasting list at work, anyway.  :-)  If you're going to break one rule,
why not another?

12) From: Dave Huddle
Good point!  I also break the company rule about using an electrical
appliance (Bodum Mini Ibis) twice most days.
BUT - to get a mail reader that understands HTML, I'd have to
unsvbscribe at this address, and resvbscribe at another, and we all
know that can't be done ;)

13) From: john
Or, if you use Outlook 2000 or higher, you could install "Watch Your Back"
and have all the HTML filtered out. :)  I think the just-released Outlook
2003 has a built-in feature that does the same thing.
I support sustainable coffeehttp://www.drzeus.net/coffee

14) From: john
No, it wouldn't.  HTML doesn't belong in email.  That's what the HTTP
protocol was created for. :)
I support sustainable coffeehttp://www.drzeus.net/coffee<Snip>

15) From: Rick Farris
John wrote:
-- Rick

16) From: john
Naw...I'm just a technology purist, that's all.
By the way, Rick, what do you think of those fully-automatic espresso
machines?  You know, the ones that grind, tamp, and pull a shot at the touch
of a button.  No human intervention necessary?  Gotta latch on to
technology, right? :)
I support sustainable coffeehttp://www.drzeus.net/coffee<Snip>

17) From: Rick Farris
Actually I own two of them.  One at home and one at work.  They make the
most magnificent Café Cremas.  They will never replace my Livia for
making espresso, though.
Gotta know what to use the technology for, John.  ;-)
-- Rick

18) From: john
Which is precisely why I use HTML for my Web sites, and not for my emails.
I support sustainable coffeehttp://www.drzeus.net/coffee

19) From: Steve McKinney
So I presume that if you want to send someone a message containing richer
content than provided by a plain text format you:
(1) author a web page containing the content
(2) send a plain text email including a URL to the message that the
recipient can paste into their browser
Hmmmm...  Seems cumbersome to me.  Are you still using a plain text
interface on your PC as well?

20) From: Prabhakar Ragde
That's because we've given up. I just don't read the HTML posts. Cuts
down on the volume. --PR

21) From: Prabhakar Ragde
If I want to send richer content, I send it as an attachment, and the
recipient can choose an appropriate tool to display it with. HTML is
completely inadequate for displaying equations, which form a major
part of my work. On the other hand, it is great for formatting
advertisements and other spam, which seems to be its main role in
e-mail. Most of my other mailing lists simply disallow HTML, and no
one misses it. That this one does not is unfortunate; that this should
be considered a virtue is questionable. --PR

22) From: Bruce Harlick
Much like my opinion to bottom posting on a mailing list... If I don't see
fresh message content in my first screen, I don't read the message...
Bruce Harlick
Freelance writer, editor, game designerhttp://www.newblackboard.comICQ #4166560

23) From: steven willis
It doesn't work.
--- Ted  wrote:

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