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1) From: George Kenney
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Too interesting to not pass along (good news in last para):

Too Much Coffee Can Induce Aggression & Paranoia By Roger Dobson The Independent - UK 10-29-3

People who drink too much coffee are at risk of caffeine psychosis, according to a new report. It found that too much caffeine can lead to marked changes in personality and make drinkers more aggressive, anxious and temperamental. "Caffeinism" puts sufferers at further risk of anxiety neurosis, irregular heart beats, insomnia, muscle twitches, and nervous irritability. The warning comes a week after Tony Blair suffered an irregular heart beat, which he reportedly blamed on too much strong continental coffee at the European Union summit in Brussels. The supraventricular tachycardia, or SVT, that he suffered can be triggered by caffeine. In the new report, on the potential effects of caffeine on police hostage negotiators, Professor Wayman Mullins of Southwest Texas State University warns: "Tachycardia could be anxiety-producing and lead to the negotiator's stress level rising to abnormal levels," he says in the Journal of Police Crisis Negotiations. "The negotiator would likely become overly anxious, nervous, frightened, and concentrate on what was occurring physiologically and not on the hostage-taker." Caffeine has also been linked to other health problems: other research has blamed too much coffee with the increased risk of rheumatoid arthritis,miscarriages and epilepsy. Research also shows that drinking four or five cups of coffee a day makes the body behave as if it is under constant stress by increasing the levels of stress hormones. That can raise blood pressure, with a risk of long-term heart disease. But it is not all bad news for coffee lovers. Researchers have shown that drinking two to four cups a day can lower the risk of colon cancer, gallstones, cirrhosis of the liver and Parkinson's disease. It can also increase male fertility. © 2003 Independent Digital (UK) Ltd http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_medical/story.jsp?storyE7258


2) From: Larry Palletti
At 12:22 AM 10/29/2003, George Kenney wrote:
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Too interesting to not pass along (good news in last para):
Too Much Coffee Can Induce
Aggression & Paranoia 
Oh yeah? Well, I will personally kick the bejeezus out of anybody who
says I get aggressive after drinking too much coffee. (I get aggressive
when I DON'T drink too much coffee.)
(Tom says my Monkey Blend has to rest for 24 hours before I grind it.
Shoot -- I could use 24 hours' rest, but do I get it? Nooooooooo.
Looks like even Tom & Maria are out to get me. I'll fix them,
too.)
I'm tired of having everyone turn against me. UNSCRIBE ME,
dammit.
(Where's my Cona? I'm down a quart.)
Larry Palletti
East Point/Atlanta, GA
Aggressively roasting with sulfur and brimstone over the bottomless pits
of Hell

3) From: Ralph Cohen
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:22:25 -0500, George Kenney wrote:
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I almost knocked over my 8th cup of coffee when this scarey message
appeared in my mailbox.  I immediately erased it - not even daring to
look at what is said knowing that is was just another attempt by THEM
to control my mind!!!!!  With that message safely trashed, I can now
concentrate on wrapping my head in tin foil block the evil solar winds
descending on Earth from the possessed celestial body some call Sol. 
Gotta go out and shoot something...

4) From: Dan Bollinger
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Oh?  You WANT to have more kids?   
;)

5) From: rnkyle
What do you mean caffeine causes aggression, I don't think so. ( want to
fight about it) :O)
Ron

6) From: MMore
Woo Hoo!!!!!  Increase male fertility!!!
Michael Amouri

7) From: Ken Mary
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Independent - UK 10-29-3
Thanks for posting. This describes my problems exactly, and likely many of
you as well. I seem to be getting along fine with two mugs of my fresh
roasted caffeinated coffee a day, morning and evening. In my case, I am my
own lab rat, doing 6 week runs of varying caf and decaf from different
sources.
In articles like this it is a shame that the writers and even the
researchers are usually not specific in terms of what "coffee" is. Should we
limit our consumption of caffeinated only, or is decaf also implicated? Is
decaf dangerous on its own, being a "partitioned" food, with some substances
required for safe metabolism removed by the decaf process? Is canned
preground the culprit, maybe due to spoilage while stored in the home? Is
fresh roasted healthier, so can we drink all we want? Is dark roast a
problem due to possible toxic products of oxidation?
We are not all created equal when it comes to genetics and environment. Some
of us may be able to tolerate much higher amounts of "coffee" than normal,
and others should avoid it altogether. I believe each of us should decide
for ourselves whether or not we are endangering our health.
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8) From: Ed Needham
Their research is most likely done with preground store bought coffee.  That
stuff would make anyone mad.
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Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com
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9) From: Brian Hyde
So true.  No doubt if I was one of the test subjects being fed Folgers I 
would be ready to kill somebody.
Ed Needham wrote:
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10) From: jim gundlach
On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 11:22 PM, George Kenney wrote:
Arialcut too much coffee article.\
This whole things came about from Tony Blair spinning his health
problems and trying to blame too much strong European coffee for being
hospitalized for a heart problems.  He decided he could not stand to
have his image of a young and vigorous leader tainted so he blamed the
coffee.  Of course, any crack pot study that blamed coffee for any and
every thing that can go wrong has to get quoted to back it up.  But as
a doctor who was not being paid by Blair said,  a high dose of
caffeine can cause an underlying problem to express itself but it
would not cause it.  
My take is that Blair is scape goating coffee for his own political
reasons.
Jim Gundlach
roasting over pecan wood fires 
in La Place, Alabama

11) From: Rick Farris
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Agreed.  And that "caffeine toxicity" diagnosis that Ed quoted 
earlier is for the short-term nausea and headache that come from drinking too 
much coffee in one day.  I have never seen a study that proved any 
long-term health problems from drinking coffee.
 
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Rick
 

12) From: Jim Garlits
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You 
mean like the short term nausea and headaches that can come from NOT drinking 
enough coffee each day?  Maybe such people would have nausea and headaches 
anyhow.  Was this a double-blind experiment?  I doubt it.  Enough 
caffeine can make some people jittery, but I've never heard of anyone being 
hospitalized for the jitters.  
 
Jim 
G.

13) From: Ed Needham
I'm not a health freak, and I generally despise do-gooders who tell me what I
should or should not eat or drink, but hey folks, caffeine is a powerful
stimulant, and again, long term 'overuse' of caffeine is the same as overuse
of speed or any other strong stimulant.  Long term moderate use of coffee is
not unhealthy as far as I know.
The definition of 'Caffeine Toxicity' in the DSM IV refers to using enough
caffeine that it has detrimental effects on behavior and mood.  Too much of
any stimulant will do that.  I think criterion 'C' is the critical factor
here.
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DSM IV, the diagnostic manual for psychiatric use lists a number of
characteristics of:
305.90 Caffeine Intoxication
A. Recent consumption of caffeine, usually in excess of 250mg
B. Five or more of the following signs, developing during, or shortly after,
caffeine use:
(1) restlessness
(2) nervousness
(3) excitement
(4) insomnia
(5) flushed face
(6) dieresis
(7) gastrointestinal disturbance
(8) muscle twitching
(9) rambling flow of thought and speech
(10) tachycardia or cardiac arrhythmia
(11) periods of inexhaustibility
(12) psychomotor agitation
C. The symptoms in Criterion B cause clinically significant distress or
impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
D. The symptoms are not due to a general medical condition and are not better
accounted for by another mental disorder.
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Other caffeine related diagnoses are:
292.89 Caffeine-Induced Anxiety Disorder
292.89 Caffeine-Induced Sleep Disorder
292.9 Caffeine-Related Disorder Not Otherwise Specified
Copied from DSM-IV-TR (Copyright 2000 American Psychiatric Association)
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Ed Needham
To Absurdity and Beyond!
homeroaster ... d.o.t ... com
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14) From: Rick Farris
Are you completely overlooking criteria 'A', here?  Particularly the
words "recent," and "250mg"?  305.90 is not about chronic consumption,
but rather about "recent" consumption of more than "250mg" of caffeine.
This is about a one-time trip to the hospital from drinking too much
coffee, or probably more likely, too much No-doze.  (How much caffeine
is in a cup of coffee?)


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