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Topic: Drip Coffee makers (53 msgs / 1803 lines)
1) From: Keith Jones
Has anyone checked the brewing temperatures on their drip coffee
makers.  Thinking I should upgrade my 12 year old BUNN, I was reading
SCAA's requirements for SCAA approval and then tried to find a home drip
coffee maker that has their approval.  I've had no luck at that so far,
I can't even find one that will advertise their brewing temps.   I
decided, just for a grin, I would check the brewing temp of the old
BUNN.  I inserted a Fluke micro-bead probe into one of the defusers
holes and ran a full pot of water through it.  To my amazement, it
maintained 200 - 201 degrees for the whole pot, first drop to last.
Granted, that would have been a little lower if I had checked it in the
coffee grounds of a brewing pot, but I figured that close enough for me
to pat the old thing on top and hope it last another 12 years.   Since
there is very little in reviews for coffee makers that give such
details, (I see a lot of "It makes great coffee" but to a lot of these
people, a cup of Instant is good coffee) I was wonder if any of ya'll
had run your own test.
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2) From: Gloria Hoover
I did the same test with our 14 year Bunn with  the same results as you did.
Now the Krups was a different story and the Kitchenaid has even a lower
temp. So when we are ready for "another" drip maker it will be Bunn.
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3) From: Gary Zimmerman
 
Keith Jones asked:
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Just for grins, I once ran some water through my parents' old Mr. Coffee, 
to check the temperature of the water that came out.  I think it was 
something like 185F, which explains a lot.
The funny thing is - and we've discussed this before on this list - when 
I've made REAL coffee for my parents (well, least fresh ground gourmet 
beans I get from a small roaster in San Francisco), they don't like 
it.  "It's too strong" they complain - even if I brew it relatively 
weakly.  They're just not used to that flavor.  For them instant or Sanka 
is "the usual," and fresh brewed (I use the term lightly) Folgers from the 
Mr. Coffee is a luxury, and is "real coffee."
I just shake my head.  But that means more of the good stuff for me when I 
visit them!
-- garyZ
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4) From: John Roche
Ditto with me. I've set my parents up with a grinder and fresh beans but
every time i return the can of Folgers lurks. I go out and buy fresh beans
grind, go home and the cycle continues.
john
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5) From: Don Staricka
 
At 08:31 PM 2/2/01 -0500, you wrote:
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When I make coffee for my parents I have to dilute it with two parts water 
for each part coffee. They genuinely prefer their Folger's and Maxwell 
House. This is an odd phenomenon but it seems to be quite common. To each 
his own.
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6) From: Keith Jones
I wasn't interested in the coffee, just if anyone had done temperature test on
their drip coffee makers to see how they held up to SCAA guidelines for brewing
temperatures.  I just found it surprising that my 12 year old BUNN comes so
close.   Before checking the temps on the BUNN, I was researching a
replacement, figuring one of the new generation drips would have to be
better.   I only brought up the coffee part because the only thing in the
reviews you read, talk about the great coffee they make, even the $10 MR.
Coffee.  I can't find any technical info on drip coffee makers and thought I
would see it any of the users of this site had done their own test.  Could care
less if Grandma and Grandpa like Folgers.  My wife still likes Maxwell House
Master Blend, and Mill's Pride Kona Blend and I can't stand either, but that
don't tell me anything about the coffee maker.
Keith
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7) From: floyd burton
Compared my 2 yr old Bunn to a couple of different press pots and saw very
little difference.  Will pick up a Bodrum vac one of these days and maybe
make some cowboy coffee also.  I know the Bunn lasts much longer than other
drip pots simply because of the way their water heater is designed.  I live
in hard water country and those other cheapie drip pots last less than a
year.

8) From: floyd burton
I agree completely-just look around at the major beer brands in this
country-I get some of my friends to try a real german wheat beer and they
say-oh that tastes like soap suds.  I then say it has taste and that is
something you can not handle.  Budweiser introduced a number of really good
german styled beers several years ago-happened upon a taste test of these
products while I was living in Mpls-these were really great beers-they
pitched them to their typical Budweiser consumers in several test markets
and the brands flopped miserably.
If someone's flavor buds have been exposed to nothing for years-having them
stimulated can be a terrible experience.  Just another dimension of how we
are all different.  Would love to have a psychographic profile of the
typical SM customer.

9) From: aryaniam
Keith,
I haven't bought a coffee maker in years simply because I haven't found one
that can get the water hot enough, say 202 degrees to ensure a proper
extraction of the oils.  Which model of the Bunn do you have or recommend?
Assuming it does the trick, it might be the first one for me in years.  For
now it's the old 'boil, sit, and pour' the hot water through the filter into
the carafe.  Let me know.
Thanks.
Frank

10) From: Keith Jones
Frank,
Mine just says BUNN Pour-Omatic on the front.  The model number is probably on
the bottom, but since it's full of water, it makes it difficult to tell.
Besides, after 12 years, the design and model number has changed.  If anyone has
checked one of the new ones, it would be interesting to see what their results
were.
One word of advise on living in hard water areas.  I lived in Southern Italy for
two years, and Converse TX, (San Antonio)  for six years.  Both of these had
very high calcium deposits in the water.  Every couple of years I would open the
boiler up and have to scrape, break, and chisel, the deposits off the heating
element and sides of the boiler.  I'm talking major amounts, 1/8 to 1/4 of an
inch at times.  After almost four years use in this small GA town, I checked it
and there is none.
Keith
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11) From: Gloria Hoover
Hi Keith,
Bunn suggested that you "clean" the container at least once a month (so I do it
about every six months). You turn off the unit or unplug it and let the water cool,
then pour white vinegar into the unit. Let it set, then pour 12 measures of water
thru the unit until the vinegar and other things are flushed thru.
Bunn doesn't make a lot of models - just the home and the commerical units. My
husband had his old unit for 20 years, then gave me the "new" one that we are now
using as a gift when we were dating. After we married his Bunn has retired to Good
will.
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12) From: Henry C. Davis
If you do decide to get a Bunn and find the water is not hot enough, on the
inside of most of the commercial Bunn units there is an adjustment for the
water pot to increase or decrease the water temperature. I suppose there may
be other commercial grade units that would deliver constant temp water over
a long time and have an adjustment for hotter water, but I am not familiar
with them. The three Bunn units in my family all perform flawlessly. When I
visit other people and use even reasonably expensive home drip machines I
realize how spoiled I have become in this regard.
Oh, and if you only use reverse osmosis water or distilled water in a Bunn
they almost never need to be cleaned with the vinegar trick....

13) From: Keith Jones
Hi Gloria,
I did the white vinegar soak and flush every month or so, but I think the people that
live in such areas will be surprised how little affect it has on high concentrations of
calcium.  That stuff gets like a rock.   If the water is not on a high quality water
treament system, I can assure you, from first hand experience, the inside of the boiler
is a mess.  I had taken large chunks of deposits out of mine and soaked them in Vinegar
for days and it had no affect.
Keith
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14) From: Ed Needham
Don't fight it John.  I did exactly the same thing for years and caused my
mom and dad quite a bit of grief because they didn't 'appreciate' my great
coffee.  Don't take it personal.  Some things will NEVER change.  Old habits
of our aging parents are most likely one of them.  My parents are both gone
now and I'd drink a gallon of stale, weak, burnt, cream and sugar, generic
coffee if I could drink it with either one of them.
Ed Needham
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15) From: Mark Beckman
I own and use every day (M-F) three Bunn VPR brewers.  I make about 20 pots
on each unit per day.  I agree, the Bunn units are great, and the water as
measured directly from the outlet that attaches to the spray head are
200-204 degrees in my units.  I use the once famous Milwaukee water, right
from the tap.  With a commercial unit, you should never need to clean with
vinegar because the internal lines are made of copper, not rubber like a Mr
Coffee for example.  With the copper lines, one can simply remove the spray
head and clean out the build-up (if any) with the spring that is included
with the machine.  These units can be purchased from a local wherehouse food
store like Sam's club or Price club for just under $200.  I also purchased
stainless steel brew baskets from a local supplier for my units.  As we all
know in order to serve the best coffee, one has to keep the brewer as well
as the servers and pots very clean.  I found the plastic brew baskets that
come with the VPR difficult to clean after a while.  Although the stainless
baskets were expensive ($27 each) I think they were well worth it.
Mark Beckman

16) From: Tom & Maria
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I have heard complaints about the home Bunnomatic and Pouromatic not
getting hot enough ... but the good news is that Bunn really backs them up
and replaces/repairs units quickly. But as you mention the commercial units
will have a pot for cranking up the heat, and should have volume controls
too. The larger units also have controls to manipulate water flow IF its
one of the units that will send a certain amount of the hot water AROUND
the coffee filter --yes, some do this. I suppose the coffee would be too
strong for some people if all of it went through the coffee filter, believe
it or not. And 12 cup office type Bunns can be bought at used restaurant
equipment places for little to nothing. At least thats how they should be
priced because there are TONS of them out there. I was at an auction once
where they had 3 of them and nobody would bid ...all 3 sold for $10 as a
lot at the end...
Tom
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17) From: Henry C. Davis
And I thought I got a good deal when I bought mine for $10 at a constable
sale... :-) It seems to me that some people avoid the commercial Bunn units
because they use more electricity than a regular home unit, but if you
habitually drink as much of the stuff as I do, that is more than outweighed
by the convenience of coffee made in less than five minutes vs the average
for most Mr. Coffee like units. The consistent temperature and quality
materials mean that you are able to eliminate your coffee pot as a
consideration in the final taste of the brew.

18) From: Z
Mark,
do you find that the commercial Bunn Brewers brew time is so short that
you have to grind quite small to compensate for the short (i.e. 2.5 min)
brew time for a 2 liter pot?)
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19) From: Henry C. Davis
My experience has been that I get a better result with a grind that is
almost fine enough that sediment starts showing up in the carafe. Some
coffees seem to over extract at that level, so I back it off a little, but
in general, finer is better. Of course, I don't do as many pots a day as
Mark Beckman does, but I have tried a lot of different coffees in mine. And
I agree with him that it is best to get the stainless filter holder. Getting
the patina of coffee off of the inside of even the glass carafes is
difficult, but it really bonds to plastic. With stainless, on the other
hand, in the stainless filter holder and the Nissan thermos I put the coffee
in right after it is finished rather than keeping it over heat, I have found
that Clorox Cleanup, directly from the bottle, will wipe out coffee residue
you can't even see on an object, but can see as it rinses away. You do have
to run a lot of water for rinsing to get any hint of the Clorox out of the
parts you are cleaning, but it works better than anything else I have tried.
			---Henry.

20) From: Dave Huddle
Since the Bunn coffee maker was discussed this weekend, I'll chime in -
My Bunn Pour-O-Matic is 20+ years old and is used every day.
I've sent it back to Bunn, in Springfield, Il. a couple of times for
repair (heating elements), and bought a couple of repair parts by mail
or phone, BUT - if it were stolen, I'd probably replace it with another
Bunn.
Even if I'm brewing only one cup (with a Melitta cone), I use the Bunn
for my hot water supply.
When we need hot water for cooking pasta, etc. we use the Bunn.  It
takes lots less time to bring the water to the boiling point when we
start with hot water.
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21) From: Mark Beckman
The brew time is very fast, mine all take about 3 minutes, give or take a
few seconds.  If one follows what the SCAA people recommend, as to grind
size and hence the approx. 90 grams it would take to make the "perfect cup",
then yes it is.  I weigh all my filters after I fill them and use 36-38
grams of coffee per filter.  I grind much finer them the SCAA's "perfect
cup" program would call for.  My experience has been when one grinds this
fine, you need to monitor the grams more closely or the coffee can get
bitter.  I also can't reach the brew strength of a "perfect cup".  I don't
want or need to, as the biggest complaint I get is that my coffee is too
strong. You can please everybody, I get lots of complements as well, some
say my coffee is better then the specialty coffee shops.
Mark

22) From: Adam Jahiel
Sorry folks I could not resist.
When I saw this one, it was love at first sight. It is a Bosch Porche
Designed Thermal Carafe Coffee Maker (found it at the aabree coffee site).
I can tell you that although it costs a fortune, I would love it even if I
never plugged it in.
On the serious side it is Amazing how hard it is to find a decent drip
maker....
Best,
A.
ADAM JAHIEL - PHOTOGRAPHER
90 North Piney Road
Story, Wyoming, 82842
t- 307.683.2862
www.adamjahiel.com
f-307.683.2730
ajahiel

23) From: eric estes
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am.
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that.
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated.
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24) From: Brett Mason
How to fix "Bloom" ...  And this applies to more than just the Bunn - it is
a fresh coffee problem...
Non-BUNN procedure:  I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours of roast) coffee
into the basket, add the water, then turn on...  If removing the caraffe
will allow the coffee to "soak", then pull the caraffe.  Once about 6oz has
gone into the grounds, turn OFF the coffee maker - for about a minute - then
put the caraffe back underneath, and turn ON the coffee maker.  The 6oz
should have created the bloom, released some the C02 or whatever causes the
bloom, and the rest of the pot should brew normally - tastily too!
 My BUNN procedure:  I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours of roast) coffee
into the basket, add about 6oz of water, and let the 60z of HOTWATER go into
the grounds....   If removing the caraffe will allow the coffee to "soak",
then pull the caraffe.  wait for about a minute - then put the caraffe back
underneath, and finally add the rest of the potfuil of water to the water
chamber in the BUNN.  The 6oz should have created the bloom, released some
the C02 or whatever causes the bloom, and the rest of the pot should brew
normally - tastily too!
Hope that helps...
Brett
  Yeah, coffee is a lot of work.
     Eventually I returned the Bunn so they could find a simpler customer
who would like it more...
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote:
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25) From: eric estes
thanks Brett, I'll give it a try
 
yah good coffee is work, but that first sip is sooo worth it
From: homeroast: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:36:25 -0500
How to fix "Bloom" ...  And this applies to more than just the Bunn - it is=
 a fresh coffee problem...
 
Non-BUNN procedure:  I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours of roast) coffe=
e into the basket, add the water, then turn on...  If removing the caraffe =
will allow the coffee to "soak", then pull the caraffe.  Once about 6oz has=
 gone into the grounds, turn OFF the coffee maker - for about a minute - th=
en put the caraffe back underneath, and turn ON the coffee maker.  The 6oz =
should have created the bloom, released some the C02 or whatever causes the=
 bloom, and the rest of the pot should brew normally - tastily too! 
 
My BUNN procedure:  I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours of roast) coffee=
 into the basket, add about 6oz of water, and let the 60z of HOTWATER go in=
to the grounds....   If removing the caraffe will allow the coffee to "soak=
", then pull the caraffe.  wait for about a minute - then put the caraffe b=
ack underneath, and finally add the rest of the potfuil of water to the wat=
er chamber in the BUNN.  The 6oz should have created the bloom, released so=
me the C02 or whatever causes the bloom, and the rest of the pot should bre=
w normally - tastily too! 
 
Hope that helps...
Brett
  Yeah, coffee is a lot of work.
     Eventually I returned the Bunn so they could find a simpler customer w=
ho would like it more...
  
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote: 
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am. 
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that. 
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated. 
 
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26) From: W. Simon
Eric,
Bunn will send you a low-flow head for free that should stop the overflow
problem.  Also, you have to use Bunn brand filters.  BUT!!!!!  It's been my
experience that a Bunn coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.  Have you
considered the Technivorm?  It doesn't have a timer on it.  It is pretty
easy to use and it makes a fantastic cup of coffee.
Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote:
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27) From: Paul Carder
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Eric, get a TECHNIVORM from Sweet maria's.http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.technivorm.shtmlYou won't be disappointed. Worth every penny! I've had mine for several =
years. Love it! And while you're at it, get a SWISSGOLD filter.http://www.sweetmarias.com/prod.swissgold.shtml Best dripmaker combination on the planet!
PAUL CARDER

28) From: raymanowen
"... like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night
and have hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am."
You will have no problem with "bloom" or ultra fresh coffee whatsoever, if
your coffee grounds are left in the open before use, Eric. My Bunn had a
large filter basket that used filters larger and deeper than those available
in grocery stores. I could use the grocery filters, but what a hassle!
For your problem, try pre-infusing the grounds in the basket. Pull the
carafe and set the basket with grounds on it. Pour 2 - 3 ounces of water at
brewing temperature into the basket and swirl it so you wet all the coffee.
It will bloom but you have control of the water added, and can prevent any
overflow.
When the bloom subsides, slide the basket and carafe back in place and push
the Go! button or dump in a load of water if the Bunn is a pour over.
Brewing fresh coffee while you wait is one thing; having coffee brewed
several minutes early, from  preground coffee left to sit out is a whole
different animal. Waiting for coffee to brew is best. Coffee has other
things to do than sit around on a heater waiting for you- it likes to
oxidize, like the grounds.
Filter Fresh has a model used in vending machines that brew on demand. it
could work with a micro controller, since nothing is heated or ground until
the sequence is triggered. The MCU could time the start, too.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote:
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29) From: Pat Sklenar
W. Simon wrote:
<Snip>
Wes,
Out of curiousity ... what type of Bunn have you used that mutes the 
flavor?  I use a VP17-1, have adjusted the thermostats to maximum and my 
coffee is absolutely wonderful.
pat----

30) From: Jeff Anderson
Before I took an interest in good coffee a few years ago, I owned a Bunn 
for years. It may be my imagination, but now it seems that when heated 
water sits in a reservoir for very long, it seems to lose something.
Pat Sklenar wrote:
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31) From: eric estes
hi wes 
 
I already have the low-flow head, does not seem to have helped - I must say=
 the folks at bunn were very nice about sending it to me at no charge.  
 
Funny, I have thought for a while that the bunn was "cutting off" some of t=
he high notes, but I just figured I was imagining it since I never heard th=
at from anyone else.  
 
I am looking at the technivorm also - but rommie wants one with a timer and=
 in the interest of domestic tranquility she gets a vote.
 
From: gm.wesley: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0500Eric,Bunn will send y=
ou a low-flow head for free that should stop the overflow problem.  Also, y=
ou have to use Bunn brand filters.  BUT!!!!!  It's been my experience that =
a Bunn coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.  Have you considered the T=
echnivorm?  It doesn't have a timer on it.  It is pretty easy to use and it=
 makes a fantastic cup of coffee. Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote: 
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am. 
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that. 
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated. 
 
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How I deal with "bloom" in my Technivorm: I start with the filter in  
the "closed" position (water gets in but none drips out); once 2 cups  
have dripped into the filter, I remove the filter lid and stir the  
grounds before they reach the top, and then open the filter switch to  
the "half-open" position; once all the water is out of the tank I  
open the filter switch to "fully open."  My Technivorm does not have  
a timer--I don't know if any do. Until I got mine, I used a Starbucks  
Barista Aroma with timer, and never had an overflow problem.  
(Everyone in my family operates that one easily---but it does not  
brew as hot as the Technivorm).
On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Brett Mason wrote:
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How I deal with "bloom" in my Technivorm: I start with the filter in the =
"closed" position (water gets in but none drips out); once 2 cups have =
dripped into the filter, I remove the filter lid and stir the grounds =
before they reach the top, and then open the filter switch to the =
"half-open" position; once all the water is out of the tank I open the =
filter switch to "fully open." †My Technivorm does not have a timer--I =
don't know if any do. Until I got mine, I used a Starbucks Barista Aroma =
with timer, and never had an overflow problem. (Everyone in my family =
operates that one easily---but it does not brew as hot as the =
Technivorm).
On Sep 27, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Brett Mason =
wrote:
How to fix "Bloom" ...† And this applies to more = than just the Bunn - it is a fresh coffee problem... † = Non-BUNN procedure:† I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours of = roast) coffee into the basket, add the water, then turn on...† If = removing the caraffe will allow the coffee to "soak", then pull = the†caraffe.† Once about 6oz has gone into the grounds, turn OFF the = coffee maker - for about a minute - then put the caraffe back = underneath, and turn ON the coffee maker.† The 6oz should have created = the bloom, released some the C02 or whatever causes the bloom, and the = rest of the pot should brew normally - tastily too! † = My BUNN procedure:† I put freshly roasted (within 54 hours = of roast) coffee into the basket, add about 6oz of water, and let the = 60z of HOTWATER go into the grounds....†††If removing the caraffe = will allow the coffee to "soak", then pull the†caraffe.† wait for = about a minute - then put the caraffe back underneath, and finally add = the rest of the potfuil of water to the water chamber in the BUNN.† = The 6oz should have created the bloom, released some the C02 or whatever = causes the bloom, and the rest of the pot should brew normally - tastily = too! † Hope that helps... = Brett † Yeah, coffee is a lot of work. ††= †† Eventually I returned the Bunn so they could find a simpler = customer who would like it more... † † = On 9/27/07, eric estes <ericestes> = wrote: = Hi All: † I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth = asking. †= I am looking to replace my bunn = drip brewer.† It has served well for some time, but now that I am home = roasting again am having a lot of trouble with the grounds "blooming" = and causing an overflow all over my counter.†† Have tried using less = coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.† Also, would like to = have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and have = hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am. = † Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but = very non-technical roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, = pour the water and push a button" † I was looking = at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the design looked = a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years ago.† = However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $ = 300.00 is more than i really want to pay. † The other one = that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.† Amazon has the = non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews I = have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home = roaster who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running = over like my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that. = † Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much = appreciated. † Get news, entertainment and = everything you care about at Live.com. Check = it out!
-- = Cheers, Brett http://homeroast.freeservers.com= Sandywww.sass-music.com
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Well, you'd lose some control over bloom, and the carafe would sit  
uncapped once brewing is done if you're still sleeping, but you could  
always load the Technivorm up and hook it into a kitchen appliance  
timer.
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Well, you'd lose some control over bloom, and the carafe would sit =
uncapped once brewing is done if you're still sleeping, but you could =
always load the Technivorm up and hook it into a kitchen appliance =
timer.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:05 PM, eric estes =
wrote:
hi wes† † I already have the = low-flow head, does not seem to†have helped - I must say the folks at = bunn were very nice about sending it to me at no charge.†† † Funny, I have = thought for a while that the bunn was "cutting off" some of the high = notes, but I just figured I was imagining it since I never heard that = from anyone else.†† † I am looking at the = technivorm also - but rommie wants one with a timer and†in the = interest of domestic tranquility she gets a = vote. † From: gm.wesley To: homeroast= s.com Subject: Re: +drip coffee makers Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 = 16:23:01 -0500 Eric, Bunn will send you a low-flow head = for free that should stop the overflow problem.† Also, you have to use = Bunn brand filters.† BUT!!!!!† It's been my experience that a Bunn = coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.† Have you considered the = Technivorm?† It doesn't have a timer on it.† It is pretty easy to = use and it makes a fantastic cup of coffee.† Wes On 9/27/07,†eric estes†<ericestes> = wrote:Hi = All:†I am new = to the list, and finally have a question worth = asking.†I am = looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.† It has served well for some = time, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble = with the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my = counter.†† Have tried using less coffee, but then don't get the = flavor I want.† Also, would like to have a machine with a timer so = that I can set it up at night and have hot coffee waiting when I stumble = into the kitchen at 5 am.†Also it has to = be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical roommate to = be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and push a = button"†I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in = grinder, as the design looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one = that i had some years ago.† However am seeing a lot of negative = reviews of it on the net, plus $ 300.00 is more than i really want to = pay.†The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line = brewer.† Amazon has the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 = and most of the reviews I have found on it are positive - one of them = was from another home roaster who specifically mentioned having problems = with grounds running over like my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not = do that.†Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much = appreciated.† Get news, entertainment and = everything you care about at†Live.com†.†Check it = out! Discover the = new Windows Vista†Learn = more! Sandywww.sass-music.com
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34) From: W. Simon
Pat,
I believe it's the GR10B.  I've also tried several commercial models.  I
couldn't tell you which models they were.  One was similar (in looks) to the
VP17-1 that you mention except for it has a warmer on top.  I didn't have
access to monitor water temperature or make adjustments.
The opinion I've formed from my experience is that it mutes the flavor.
Perhaps yours is different.
I purchased a technivorm and won't look back!
Wes
On 9/27/07, Pat Sklenar  wrote:
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35) From: W. Simon
I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful timer devices that can be used in
conjunction with whatever coffee brewer you choose.  Here's one that gives
my programmable thermostat a run for the money:http://www.electrodepot.com/a0058.htm.A couple years ago I was using a ten year-old Black and Decker cone-filter
brewer.  I used my girlfriend's Bunn when I would visit.  Then, I went the
cheap route and bought a Presto Scandinavian.  The $24.99 I spent on it was
just stupid tax for not purchasing a Technivorm to begin with.  It lasted
about 3 months.  I have a french press as well as a Krup's Mocha Brew.  I
love those, but I want to minimize my brew time and effort on workdays, so a
brewer is a must.  You and your roomate are welcome to stop by Wichita
Kansas and I'll make a pot in the technivorm.  I can't put into words the
difference it makes.
Let me offer you something else:  I was shopping for a bicycle quite some
time ago.  In one of the shops, I started talking to a guy that is a
distributer of bicycles and parts.  He showed me how some of less expensive
bicycles were combining parts.  The brake lever and gear shifter were one
part.  Some of the better bicycles had separate brakes and shifters.  He
said that on the bicycle with the combined brake/shifter, if you crash and
break one or the other, you have to replace the entire part.  The combined
part was much more expensive to replace than one or the other.  I would
argue that you would be better off purchasing a timer separate from the
brewer.  If one of them breaks, then you only have to replace the broken
item, not both.  This is the reason I don't buy camera phones, phones with
mp3 players, VHS/DVD combos, or a TV with a DVD player.
For some reason, I feel compelled to make a case this morning.  I hope you
make the right decision...
Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote:
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36) From: Robert Joslin
Eric
     You'll get plenty of opinion from the list.  Here is mine.
Remember.....it's MY OPINION, some of which is certainly factually based,
but I am unprepared to make a legal brief.
1.  It would be nice if there were some way to arise to really freshly
brewed coffee, but unless you hire a maid or get up yourself, there ain't
much hope.  Coffee ground the night before and sitting in a (probably) damp
filter cone may be OK, but it certainly loses something (a lot) in MY
OPINION.  My wife and I went through this a number of years ago until I
converted her by a simple, side by side comparison test.  ALL our coffee is
ground immediately before it is brewed.
2.  My experience with Bunn Coffeemakers dates from the 80s and their newer
appliances may not suffer from this problem, but I always found that they
underextracted because of water temperature that was too low.  AND as
someone mentioned previously, as improbable as it may sound, water that has
been maintained continuously (close to, in the case of the old Bunns)
brewing temperature, does seem to produce a cup that is lacking, IN MY
OPINION.
3.   I can certainly recommend that if finances permit, a Technivorm is a
wonderful investment.  It is durable, well made and you WILL be able to
taste a very noticable difference between cups brewed in a TV and your old
machine.
Happy Roasting (and brewing)
Josh
On 9/28/07, W. Simon  wrote:
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37) From: eric estes
Hi Wes:
 
I would have no problem with using a seperate timer together with a good dr=
ip brewer.  But am wondering, with the Technivorm, can i use it "hands off"=
.  By that I mean, can I put in my ground coffee and water before bed, leav=
e it switched on (plugged into a seperate timer), and let it brew unattende=
d?  The only "negative" I have found researching the Technivorm is some use=
rs saying that to assure good saturation of the grounds you need to stir th=
em during brewing.  Have you found this to be true?
From: gm.wesley: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:53:44 -0500I'm sure there are pl=
enty of wonderful timer devices that can be used in conjunction with whatev=
er coffee brewer you choose.  Here's one that gives my programmable thermos=
tat a run for the money: http://www.electrodepot.com/a0058.htm. A couple =
years ago I was using a ten year-old Black and Decker cone-filter brewer.  =
I used my girlfriend's Bunn when I would visit.  Then, I went the cheap rou=
te and bought a Presto Scandinavian.  The $24.99 I spent on it was just stu=
pid tax for not purchasing a Technivorm to begin with.  It lasted about 3 m=
onths.  I have a french press as well as a Krup's Mocha Brew.  I love those=
, but I want to minimize my brew time and effort on workdays, so a brewer i=
s a must.  You and your roomate are welcome to stop by Wichita Kansas and I=
'll make a pot in the technivorm.  I can't put into words the difference it=
 makes.  Let me offer you something else:  I was shopping for a bicycle qui=
te some time ago.  In one of the shops, I started talking to a guy that is =
a distributer of bicycles and parts.  He showed me how some of less expensi=
ve bicycles were combining parts.  The brake lever and gear shifter were on=
e part.  Some of the better bicycles had separate brakes and shifters.  He =
said that on the bicycle with the combined brake/shifter, if you crash and =
break one or the other, you have to replace the entire part.  The combined =
part was much more expensive to replace than one or the other.  I would arg=
ue that you would be better off purchasing a timer separate from the brewer=
.  If one of them breaks, then you only have to replace the broken item, no=
t both.  This is the reason I don't buy camera phones, phones with mp3 play=
ers, VHS/DVD combos, or a TV with a DVD player.  For some reason, I feel co=
mpelled to make a case this morning.  I hope you make the right decision...=
Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes < ericestes> wrote: 
hi wes  I already have the low-flow head, does not seem to have helped - I =
must say the folks at bunn were very nice about sending it to me at no char=
ge.   Funny, I have thought for a while that the bunn was "cutting off" som=
e of the high notes, but I just figured I was imagining it since I never he=
ard that from anyone else.   I am looking at the technivorm also - but romm=
ie wants one with a timer and in the interest of domestic tranquility she g=
ets a vote. 
From: gm.wesley: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0500 
Eric,Bunn will send you a low-flow head for free that should stop the overf=
low problem.  Also, you have to use Bunn brand filters.  BUT!!!!!  It's bee=
n my experience that a Bunn coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.  Have=
 you considered the Technivorm?  It doesn't have a timer on it.  It is pret=
ty easy to use and it makes a fantastic cup of coffee. Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote: 
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am. 
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that. 
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated. 
 
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38) From: eric estes
Hi Josh:
 
Yah I know I will lose some goodness by grinding ahead, so I was considerin=
g a "grind and brew" style machine but do not care for any of the ones out =
there.  Am leaning towards the Technivorm and using a seperate timer, but s=
till not sure.  
From: rljoslin: homeroast: Re: +dr=
ip coffee makersDate: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 09:26:07 -0500
Eric 
     You'll get plenty of opinion from the list.  Here is mine.  Remember..=
...it's MY OPINION, some of which is certainly factually based, but I am un=
prepared to make a legal brief.
1.  It would be nice if there were some way to arise to really freshly brew=
ed coffee, but unless you hire a maid or get up yourself, there ain't much =
hope.  Coffee ground the night before and sitting in a (probably) damp filt=
er cone may be OK, but it certainly loses something (a lot) in MY OPINION. =
 My wife and I went through this a number of years ago until I converted he=
r by a simple, side by side comparison test.  ALL our coffee is ground imme=
diately before it is brewed. 
2.  My experience with Bunn Coffeemakers dates from the 80s and their newer=
 appliances may not suffer from this problem, but I always found that they =
underextracted because of water temperature that was too low.  AND as someo=
ne mentioned previously, as improbable as it may sound, water that has been=
 maintained continuously (close to, in the case of the old Bunns) brewing t=
emperature, does seem to produce a cup that is lacking, IN MY OPINION. 
3.   I can certainly recommend that if finances permit, a Technivorm is a w=
onderful investment.  It is durable, well made and you WILL be able to tast=
e a very noticable difference between cups brewed in a TV and your old mach=
ine.  
                                                                           =
                       Happy Roasting (and brewing)
                                                                           =
                        Josh 
On 9/28/07, W. Simon  wrote: 
I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful timer devices that can be used in co=
njunction with whatever coffee brewer you choose.  Here's one that gives my=
 programmable thermostat a run for the money: http://www.electrodepot.com/=a0058.htm.  A couple years ago I was using a ten year-old Black and Decker =
cone-filter brewer.  I used my girlfriend's Bunn when I would visit.  Then,=
 I went the cheap route and bought a Presto Scandinavian.  The $24.99 I spe=
nt on it was just stupid tax for not purchasing a Technivorm to begin with.=
  It lasted about 3 months.  I have a french press as well as a Krup's Moch=
a Brew.  I love those, but I want to minimize my brew time and effort on wo=
rkdays, so a brewer is a must.  You and your roomate are welcome to stop by=
 Wichita Kansas and I'll make a pot in the technivorm.  I can't put into wo=
rds the difference it makes.  Let me offer you something else:  I was shopp=
ing for a bicycle quite some time ago.  In one of the shops, I started talk=
ing to a guy that is a distributer of bicycles and parts.  He showed me how=
 some of less expensive bicycles were combining parts.  The brake lever and=
 gear shifter were one part.  Some of the better bicycles had separate brak=
es and shifters.  He said that on the bicycle with the combined brake/shift=
er, if you crash and break one or the other, you have to replace the entire=
 part.  The combined part was much more expensive to replace than one or th=
e other.  I would argue that you would be better off purchasing a timer sep=
arate from the brewer.  If one of them breaks, then you only have to replac=
e the broken item, not both.  This is the reason I don't buy camera phones,=
 phones with mp3 players, VHS/DVD combos, or a TV with a DVD player.  For s=
ome reason, I feel compelled to make a case this morning.  I hope you make =
the right decision... 
Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes < ericestes > wrote: 
hi wes  I already have the low-flow head, does not seem to have helped - I =
must say the folks at bunn were very nice about sending it to me at no char=
ge.   Funny, I have thought for a while that the bunn was "cutting off" som=
e of the high notes, but I just figured I was imagining it since I never he=
ard that from anyone else.   I am looking at the technivorm also - but romm=
ie wants one with a timer and in the interest of domestic tranquility she g=
ets a vote. 
From: gm.wesley: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0500 
Eric,Bunn will send you a low-flow head for free that should stop the overf=
low problem.  Also, you have to use Bunn brand filters.  BUT!!!!!  It's bee=
n my experience that a Bunn coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.  Have=
 you considered the Technivorm?  It doesn't have a timer on it.  It is pret=
ty easy to use and it makes a fantastic cup of coffee. Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote: 
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am. 
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that. 
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated. 
 
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39) From: eric estes
yah and bloom has been an ongoing problem with the bunn - looking like my q=
uest for unattended brewing may not work out
From: sandraandina: Re: +drip coffee makersTo: homeroast=
ts.sweetmarias.comDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:59:44 -0500Well, you'd lose som=
e control over bloom, and the carafe would sit uncapped once brewing is don=
e if you're still sleeping, but you could always load the Technivorm up and=
 hook it into a kitchen appliance timer.
On Sep 27, 2007, at 6:05 PM, eric estes wrote:
hi wes  I already have the low-flow head, does not seem to have helped - I =
must say the folks at bunn were very nice about sending it to me at no char=
ge.   Funny, I have thought for a while that the bunn was "cutting off" som=
e of the high notes, but I just figured I was imagining it since I never he=
ard that from anyone else.   I am looking at the technivorm also - but romm=
ie wants one with a timer and in the interest of domestic tranquility she g=
ets a vote. 
From: gm.wesley: homeroast: Re: +d=
rip coffee makersDate: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:23:01 -0500Eric,Bunn will send y=
ou a low-flow head for free that should stop the overflow problem.  Also, y=
ou have to use Bunn brand filters.  BUT!!!!!  It's been my experience that =
a Bunn coffee brewer mutes the flavor of coffee.  Have you considered the T=
echnivorm?  It doesn't have a timer on it.  It is pretty easy to use and it=
 makes a fantastic cup of coffee. Wes
On 9/27/07, eric estes  wrote: 
Hi All:
 
I am new to the list, and finally have a question worth asking.
 
I am looking to replace my bunn drip brewer.  It has served well for some t=
ime, but now that I am home roasting again am having a lot of trouble with =
the grounds "blooming" and causing an overflow all over my counter.   Have =
tried using less coffee, but then don't get the flavor I want.  Also, would=
 like to have a machine with a timer so that I can set it up at night and h=
ave hot coffee waiting when I stumble into the kitchen at 5 am.
 
Also it has to be simple enough for my coffee loving but very non-technical=
 roommate to be able to use, as in "put in the coffee, pour the water and p=
ush a button"
 
I was looking at the capresso coffee team with built in grinder, as the des=
ign looked a lot better than the Cuisanart all in one that i had some years=
 ago.  However am seeing a lot of negative reviews of it on the net, plus $=
 300.00 is more than i really want to pay.
 
The other one that looks good is the Kitchenaid pro line brewer.  Amazon ha=
s the non-stainless steel finish model for $199.00 and most of the reviews =
I have found on it are positive - one of them was from another home roaster=
 who specifically mentioned having problems with grounds running over like =
my bunn, and that the kitchenaid does not do that.
 
Anyway, any advice I can get on this would be very much appreciated.
 
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40) From: W. Simon
Hi Eric,
I never have stirred the grounds.  In the Swiss Gold filter, the grounds are
always saturated.  I have never had to play with it to get it to work
right.  I frequently start it and then shower in the morning.  I come out to
nicely brewed coffee.  Sure, it loses a little heat since I have the thermal
carafe version (no burner).  I promptly cap it and it stays hot long enough
for me to drink it.  I drink a couple cups and then fill a thermal cup for
the trip to work.
I have never set the basket switch to the slower setting.  There is no
need.  I have watched it brew several times.  The basket remains pretty full
throughout the brewing process.  Very fresh coffee will bloom such that the
bloom gets on the basket lid.  It rinses right off, there is no overflow
unless you forget to open the basket switch.  That switch is the only
problem I've experienced with it.  I've left it closed accidentally.  The
overflow does go into the thermal carafe, but it takes grinds with it.
Yuck!  I've saved the pot by dumping the filter and pouring it back through
the empty filter to get the grinds filtered out.
Wes
On 9/28/07, eric estes  wrote:
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41) From: Homeroaster
Back when I was married, my wife insisted on using a Bunn because it was 
fast.  (Not my criteria for a coffeemaker)  I fitted a Melitta #6 cone 
filter to the top of the 'old style' Bunn carafe and it fit like it was 
designed to be there.  I could use the better quality Melitta filters, and 
there was absolutely no problem with overflow.  The coffee tasted way better 
too.
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Ed Needham
"to absurdity and beyond!"http://www.homeroaster.com*********************

42) From: John Brown
Wichita! most people can't spell it if they tried.
i was born and raised there.  joined the Navy in '63 and some how never 
got back there to live .  it was a great place to live.
W. Simon wrote:
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43) From: Sean Cary
I disagree with whoever called the Scandi a stupid tax...  We got one
shortly after I got back from Iraq last year...and it is still
kicking...(knock on wood)
We/My wife use it daily...  I got 3 more at K-Mart on the 1/2 off
shelf...for like $10.00 each.  So if it makes it until I get home this
time (Feb), I have paid $20.00 for a brewer that makes 195 degree
water every day...
I still prefer press pot coffee, but that is not feasible with the
hours that I keep when I am home...takes too darn long in the morning.
YMMV
Sean
In Fallujah, but getting the itch to travel and the Ospreys are here
now...and I have NEVER been in an Osprey!  And it HAS to be better
then the freaking Chinooks I flew in a few weeks back.
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44) From: Rich
Hmm, I also was born and raised in Wichita.  Joined USNR November 62 and entered active duty 
March 64.  Attended Wichita University.  The world is shrinking.....
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45) From: John Brown
i went to South High made it to the forty  year  reunion in 2003 the 
only  people i recognized  were  the ones i went to school with from 
kindergarten. i was the forth generation born in Kansas.  Irish 
immigrants 1859, up near Lawrence
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46) From: Rich
I would have attended SouthEast High but, the family decided that I needed more "guidance" so I was 
shipped off to Kemper Military School  where I learned how to successfully manipulate the system 
instead of running head on at it.  Family arrived in Kansas in a covered wagon before the civil war.  
Mother and sister still reside in Wichita but I do not spend a lot of time thee and, yes the city has 
indeed changed over the years.
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47) From: javafool
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
Eric,
 
I have been using a KitchenAid Pro Line for well over a year and I =
canít say
enough good about the coffee maker and KitchenAid service. I had a =
problem
with the finish, and the coffee maker was replaced free and quite =
promptly.
They even had UPS pick up the defective unit at no cost to me =
whatsoever.
The coffee is brewed at just over 200įF, and 12 - 4.5 oz cups brew in =
about
eight minutes plus 2 -3 minutes drip time after the pump shuts off. The
grounds saturation is good, not perfect, but good to very good. The =
brewed
coffee is hot and excellent. 
I tried the filters that came with the unit and had coffee flow outside =
the
plastic inner basket and into the stainless steel holder. I now only use
Bunn filters and overflow has not been a problem. My daughter, her =
husband
and the grandkids came down in August just before school started. We =
went
north a couple weeks later and I was pleasantly surprised to see Matt, =
who
also roasts their coffee, had bought a new I-Roast 2 and a KitchenAid =
Pro
Line coffee maker just like mine. He was so impressed with the coffee =
they
had here that when he got home Matt had a renewed interest in quality
coffee.
 
I hope this helps in your decision,
Terry  (javafool)

48) From: Pat Sklenar
W. Simon wrote:
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Yeah, I think that would be the VP17-2.
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T'is a possibility.  I do a minimum of a pot a day and the coffee 
flavors sure seem nice to me.  I shall not complain.  I was debating 
between buying the Bunn or the TV ... then my folks gave me the Bunn as 
a Christmas present.  And my coffee has has been enjoying the better 
(compared to my old Cuisinart) brewing temps ever since. :)
pat---

49) From: raymanowen
"...wants one with a timer and in the interest of domestic tranquility
she gets a vote."
Truck Stops have coffeelike beverages awaiting you 24/7. Due to their
Land Office trade, and the fact that most drivers have a Thermos
along, the stuff is pretty fresh. Ever see how restaurateurs stack the
layers of filters and grounds on top of hot coffee brewers? In the
interest of domestic tranquility, one could go get a Thermos of Truck
Stop, or better yet, 7-11 coffee.
"...she gets a vote."
Ever heard of the problems caused by an Uninformed Electorate?
If the Mr. Coffee with a timer is satisfactory to you both- not just
the machine, but the Dreck, wait for a Target or Kmart blue light
Martha Stewart special. Get two in the interest of domestic
tranquility.
Or, the Hell with the coffee- the grounds can sit out (in the machine)
overnight and the Truck Stop coffee can wait a few minutes in the
interest of domestic tranquility.
In the interest of domestic tranquility, you could locate one of the
automatic brewers that worked something like an Aeropress in a vending
machine. It would grind and brew a fresh cup to order.
In the interest of domestic tranquility, you could get a TechniVorm
with a timer. The TechniVorm is in the normal location, and the timer
and electric fence charger are on the night stand on your side of the
bed. An ankle strap and one of the pet training collars should
suffice.
It's all set so you awaken 30 minutes early and go prepare a superb
tankard of coffee for the lady with the vote.
Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa!
An informed electorate is an empowered electorate. "Vote early and
vote often," is attributed to Richard J. Daley of Chicago. O'hare
stopovers and Cook County maternity wards yielded an untapped
citizenry...
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50) From:
First post on the list:
Years and years ago, when I was young and had all the time in the world, I used a Chemex and loved it, but I succumbed to the allure of convenience and started using an automatic drip maker.  I recently replaced my dying drip maker, and really wanted to get a TV, but just couldn't bring myself to throw that much money at it.  Instead, I found a Capresso ST600--the countertop behemoth--and have been thoroughly enjoying it.  Various reviewers have claimed to have measured water temps around 200 degress F, and though I have not measured the water temp, it sure feels hotter than the god awful Cuisanart machine I retired.
The Capresso is the first machine with a thermal carafe I've ever used, and I like how hot it keeps the coffee.  It's a little more trouble, what with pre-heating the carafe, but worth it. 
"Why the behemoth," one might ask, "when Capresso makes much more compact machines?"  Because I ordered it through Amazon.com from a place in Brooklyn for, after shipping, only 75 bucks.  Maybe it's not a TV, but it is much less expensive.  Rather than drop 200 dollars more than that on a coffee maker, I'd probably go back to a Chemex, one of the really nice hand-blown glass ones.  As for now, the Capresso and a moka pot satisfy most of my coffee cravings.
And by the way, I've been enjoying the posts on the list.
--ThomasG
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:47:46 -0500 
From: "Jim Couch"  
Subject: Re: [Homeroast] drip coffee brewers - 2 questions 
To: homeroast 
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If I ever do anything beside a press type pot again it'll be to replace the 
chemex that got broken in an unfortunate "bathing accident" fall. 
 
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51) From: Brian Kamnetz
ThomasG,
First, welcome to the list!
Congratulations on finding a coffee extraction method that meets your
needs while fitting into your world view at large! Not an easy
combination. I greatly enjoy my moka pots and always enjoy reading
that other people enjoy theirs too. I also have a Krups Moka Brew, and
am thinking of taking it with me on my Christmas travels this year.
The moka pot is fine for me, but the KMB might be handy for larger
crowds.
Brian
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52) From: Brad Baker
On 10/27/08, gremaudt  wrote:
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She drinks decaf. I drink caf.
She brews eight cups and puts it in a carafe.  I brew three and put it
into a thermal cup.
She used to use a Mr Coffee or something and I used the TV she bought
me to brew my three cups.
Now She uses the TV and I use a Black&Decker Brew'N Go.  I hope
there's a difference (BnG costs $18) but I can't tell.
Enjoy your new Capresso.
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53) From: Seth Grandeau
 Thomas,
I also use a Capresso.  The CoffeeTEC.  It's similar to your machine, but
with the auto frother attachment.  I've been very happy with the coffee
brewing.  I measured my basket temp and found it to be just under 200
degrees (198, I think).  Very acceptable!  Personally, I don't pre-heat the
carafe, as it just keeps the coffee TOO hot for my taste.  I find that
brewing into a room temp carafe gives me coffee at a temp I like and holds
it there for an hour or two, which is enough time for me.
My only complaint bout the Capresso is the water distribution is not great
(mine has a 4 way spray head, over the center of the filter).  Every once in
a while, I'll have a small island of grounds that float and do not get
extracted.  If I remember to do it, I'll give the grounds a quick water
spritz, before brewing to avoid that problem.
Enjoy!
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