| Hi, y'all. Y'all are all completely over my head as far as connoisseurship (is that a word?) and knowledge, but I'd love your input. I am new to roasting - got a FreshRoast+8 from SM. I love espresso - my husband works for a Swedish company and loves the Gevalia they import by the pallet for the employees. I know I can roast him something better. Where can I start to create the flavors? He likes it thick and black - American coffee he says is 'dirty water'. He also grew up in El Salvador and drank good coffee there (though I think, at 17, he probably didn't appreciate it). He has some great pictures of how the small farms dried their coffee cherries back in the 70s - on roads. If a car came by, you had to move all the coffee out of the way, let the car pass, then spread it again. I also (unfortunately) need to cut my own caffeine levels. My favorite of SM's blends is Moka Kadir. Any thoughts on how to 'water' the caffeine down and still have great taste there? Very Very New at this: Sher, FROM the Tennessee Hills, in Seabrook TX Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Me thinks you need an espresso machine. I used to drink Gevalia and enjoyed it. Here in the "expart" part of Shanghai. Several of the bars and restaurants that I patronize are run by Europeans serve coffee made by espresso machines. You won't get a brewed cup of coffee. Morris |
| Sherrie, welcome to the list, welcome to roasting! Hope you enjoy the journey. Just a quick note in regards to caffeine. If you haven't drank SM's decaf, you need to try some! It's the best decaf I've had, not that I drink much of it. Read through the list of Tom's offerings and buy a couple. I'd try a 50/50 blend of caf and decaf. I'm fairly partial to a "Moka/Java" blend of coffees, so I might buy the decaf Sumatran and pair that with the Sidamo DP... but listen to your taste buds! FYI, the Moka Kadir is a dry process blend of Yemens and Ethiopians. So if that's enjoyable to your palate, I'd take advantage of a really nice selection of Ethiopian DPs that Tom is offering right now. If it were me, I'd buy a pound of every one of them. But then, I shouldn't be spending your money!!! Happy roasting. bill Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Hi Sherrie, I don't ever drink decaf, but people on the list rave about Tom's decaf. Seems like I recall people saying that decaf roasts a bit faster than "regular" coffee. Brian On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:10 AM, Bill wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Brian, Hello. Question for you, maybe you will know the answer. If it is true that decaf roasts faster than non-decaf, what would be the difference in the bean; or, what would happen in the decaffination process to make it roast faster? Any idea? I don't roast it, but have been thinking about buying some and roasting it for some friends. I am just wondering what chemically happens to the bean to make it roast faster. Thank you for any help you can be. Stephen At 11:09 AM 8/28/2008, you wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Stephen, Sorry, your question is way beyond what I know. Other than recalling that people on this list have mentioned that decaf roasts more quickly than other coffees, I don't know anything at all about it. However, I guess that doesn't mean that I can't guess.... My understanding is that the caffeine has been leached out; my best guess would be that other things have been leached out as well, leaving a less-dense bean that roasts more quickly, similar to the way lower-grown coffees are less dense than higher-grown coffees and roast more quickly. But that is a guess; I may be wandering around way out in left field. Brian On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Stephen Carey wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Brian, Thank you for the shot at it. Makes sense to me, but who knows. I just thought you might know. Thank you very much for taking the time to respond. Stephen At 04:38 PM 8/28/2008, you wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Morris glad to see someone from shanghai in this list. I lived in shanghai for 5 yars, and btw I'll be there again on september/10 I 'learned' to drink expresso at DaMarco regards Silas |
| I drink and roast mainly decaf coffees. <Snip> between first and second crack is shorter when you are roasting decafs. If you are very careful and can spread that time by lowering the temp after the start of first crack, you can be successful roasting decafs. For Behmor roasters, that means being able to accurately predict when 1st crack will happen and programming P2 appropriately. So, if on P1 it takes 8 minutes to reach 1c, take 8 min. divided by the 60% point and set your roaster for P2 8/.6 = 13 min. I used to roast with a stove top whirley popper, and after about a minute of first crack, I would lower the temp of the stove a bit to try to lengthen that time. I do not have my notes with me, they are at home, and if I think of it, I'll write up some of my roasting times comparing decaf vs. regular coffees, later. Later, Bonnie P. On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Stephen Carey wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Stephen, you do that and your friends will each take One (1) sip and swear you're lying about the decaf bit. You'll have to provide an A-B comparison brew. Even so, your credibility will diminish. Even the beans Tom sells that have been decaffeinated by the Methylene Chloride (paint remover) process are undetectable, flavor wise. The caffeine molecule is removed from the green coffee by boiling or steaming and a solvent, all of which is rinsed out of the beans. I understand the European standard for residual caffeine in decaf coffee is much tighter than in the US, where the decaffeinated beans can contain 30X the caffeine of the Euro standard. Gotta taste that Euro stuff- Right away! Maybe Not- SM doesn't carry it... Cheers, Mabuhay -RayO, aka Opa! Got Grinder? Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Been at dinners multiple times and have provided the decaf. Guests will look at me incredulously and ask, "you swear that this is decaf?" I'll smile and nod, they'll pour their third or fourth cup and enjoy it. Then they'll sleep like a baby and marvel at it the next time they see me. I roast decaf for my dentist who can't drink caffeine during the week. He filled a cavity for me today (need to drink more beer, less soda!), and couldn't stop talking about how much he liked my last batch, which was 50/50 sumatra/ethiopian. gotta taste it to believe it. And rayO's right... read Tom's notes. He's a coffee guy, cupper, etc, and he notes on several of his coffees that he can't tell anymore that they're decaf. wow. bill On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 5:27 PM, wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Tisk Tisk. The first place to look for coffee information is at Sweet Marias.http://www.sweetmarias.com/articles.shtmlEthyl Acetate Decaf Process CO-2 Decaf Method Genetic Decaf Coffee Trees ! Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Ray, Do what? I asked about roast times, that's all. Must be someone else's post. Stephen At 07:27 PM 8/28/2008, you wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| I roast a batch of decaf and a batch of regular at least once a week. Decaf roasts in about 85% of the time for regular coffee. And it rolls into second crack a lot faster than regular. I haven't got a clue as to why. Safe Journeys and Sweet Music Justin Marquez (CYPRESS, TX) On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 3:27 PM, Stephen Carey wrote: <Snip> -- Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Justin, I agree with your comments about roasting decaf beans. It always seems to me that they reach 1C a "little" faster than regular beans, but then they seem to kick in the afterburner. I'm still struggling to learn how much to back off the heat to gain control of the stage between 1C and 2C. John Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Silas, I live in Pudong, the "suburbs". I'm not the only roaster in town. There is another in Puxi. If you've got nothing to do one evening give me a holler off list, we can chew on some beans. Morris |
| Morris Have you haver found any coffee roast machine (home use) to sell in Shanghai? I'm planing to buy a Hearthware 2, but eventually I can find something there. I remember a small rd (Puxi) that sells everything for restaurants, but really dont remeber to see any roaster there. Do you know any? regards Silas |
| I've been semi-around. It's been a tough few weeks for me--heck I even bought a pound of roasted coffee (local roaster, not bad) because I just couldn't do the 15 minutes standing in my garage to roast. I am off all of next week. That should do the trick. It would have been a good time to own a Behmor :) vicki Brian Kamnetz wrote: > > Speaking of Vicki, I don't recall any posts from her for quite a > > while. Hope she is doing ok. Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| I was just reading some words- probably misunderstood: "... thinking about buying some [decaf beans] and roasting it for some friends. I am just" Sori na lang, Mabuhay- RayO, aka Opa! On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Stephen Carey wrote: <Snip> -- "When the theme hits the bass, I dance the Jig!" - -Virgil Fox at the Mighty Wichita (ex- NYC Paramount) WurliTzer- 1976 Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| glad you're still around vicki. enjoy the time off!bill On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:25 AM, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Vicki, Hope it is a time issue, nothing more. Enjoy roasting next week! Brian On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Vicki Smith wrote: <Snip> Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |
| Vicki - Hoping all is well... Lynne Homeroast mailing list Homeroasthttp://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20">http://lists.sweetmariascoffee.com/listinfo.cgi/homeroast-sweetmariascoffee.comHomeroast community pictures -upload yours!) :http://www.sweetmariascoffee.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemIdx20 |